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Old 09-18-2017, 04:52 PM   #1
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+ Automation items: fix action to copy/cut automation items and/or points when multiple automation items selected [p=1887014]
+ Envelopes: avoid changing envelope point shape after media item edit [p=1887187]
+ MIDI export: avoid creating two tempo change events at the same time position [t=196112]
+ ReaEQ: optimize parameter updates [t=196118]
+ Routing: increase destination track channel count when configuring multichannel send [t=195994]
+ Undo: fix envelope point selection state undo/redo [p=1886806]
# Pitch shifters: extrashifter can implement: int ConfigureSubMode(HWND hwnd, int xpos, int ypos, int submode) (returns new submode, if changed)
# Web Interface: actually added more_me.html
# Windows: workaround for horizontal wheel with some mouse drivers in arrange view/MIDI editor
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# Windows: workaround for horizontal wheel with some mouse drivers in arrange view/MIDI editor
I am really, really, really sorry to say that it didn't help!




It's still two S and two R hwheel messages when trying to scroll in arrange/MIDI editor, then horiz wheel completely breaks for that area. :/
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Default # Web Interface: actually added more_me.html

Devs and White Tie..

The "more_me" function is so insanely useful and perfect.

Thank you a million times for this!
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I am really, really, really sorry to say that it didn't help!




It's still two S and two R hwheel messages when trying to scroll in arrange/MIDI editor, then horiz wheel completely breaks for that area. :/
Try spying just on the arrange window, and just on the main window, and see if they get any messages at all...
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yezzz! it worked! :-D
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Thanks for more_me.html!

I considered buying some small monitor mixers for tracking.
Now I'll just check eBay for old iPads.
RME should have done something like this years ago for their TotalMix App!
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Old 09-19-2017, 12:53 AM   #7
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Try spying just on the arrange window, and just on the main window, and see if they get any messages at all...
If I focus spy++ to look just at the arrange, it gets one S (zDelta +/-120) and one R message then refuses obeying anything further.

If I focus spy++ to look just at the ruler or TCP, all I see is P messages.

If I tell spy++ to look at the whole Reaper process, in TCP/ruler all I see now are S/R messages (previously it was P/S/R combo - but this is because I was also telling spy++ to show messages from all child windows, so that would explain the duplicate S/S/R/R thing as well, I guess), except in the arrange/MIDI editor, where again it's S/R with zDelta 120 then nothing.


EDIT: More info. When spying on just the whole Reaper window (without child windows), scrolling in TCP/ruler shows the P message from those windows (going by their ID), then the main Reaper process replies with S and R messages. In the arrange, there's no P message from the arrange window at all (likely as you said, because it has scrollbars so driver decides to scroll them directly), instead of that P message, S message is sent (zDelta +/-120), then R message. IOW, nothing changed from how it was in previous Reaper versions, despite the workaround you did?


By comparison, working with Sublime Text, horizontal wheel just shows S and R messages and everything's working (Sublime doesn't have multiple docked windows, so I guess that's the reason - but it does have scrollbars just like Reaper's arrange, so if it can work correctly with the same mouse, so should Reaper? It's the same driver talking to both of those programs!).


Does any of this info help?

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Thanks for more_me.html!

I considered buying some small monitor mixers for tracking.
Now I'll just check eBay for old iPads.
RME should have done something like this years ago for their TotalMix App!
EXACTLY !!

Many thanks guys, this is da bomb for talent out on the floor!!
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yezzz! it worked! :-D
What are you working on? Hopefully not going to be Linux-only, Windows and OS-X users wouldn't be too happy...
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Hello,

Two rescaled VST3 (Autotune 8.1.5) displays blank screen.
When opening one rescaled VST3 the display is correct.
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Two rescaled VST3 (Autotune 8.1.5) displays blank screen.
When opening one rescaled VST3 the display is correct.
Try to reinstall your graphics card drivers.
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+ Routing: increase destination track channel count when configuring multichannel send [t=195994]
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Thanks for more_me.html!

I considered buying some small monitor mixers for tracking.
Now I'll just check eBay for old iPads.
RME should have done something like this years ago for their TotalMix App!
Absolutely. Really, really cool. Thanks for that!
I only have one proposal, since it is not possible to open two or more web server ports - for different layouts:
The perfect layout for the webinterface would be a combination of "more_me" and "fancier" - somehow possible?

PS: There is a typo in the third word in "more_me" - should be "requires", an "i" is missing.
And also the introduction text should, in my opinion, be hidden after the selection of a track.
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What are you working on? Hopefully not going to be Linux-only, Windows and OS-X users wouldn't be too happy...
until recently, we linux users haven't been to happy with all the windows/mac only stuff, either.. so maybe it could be nice to place linux in the first spot for a while? nah.. not really.. i want cross-compability too..

one problem (?) is that i use gcc, and as far as i know, i can't compile windows binaries with that (or mingw), because of abi incompabilities.. and i don't have a mac.. but i (almost) always give out the source for whatever i make, so other people could take it, improve or adapt it, and possibly make binary files for mac/win..

at the moment i'm mostly doing "proof of concept" stuff, getting things to compile, adding reaper extensions stuff to my own code library/framework, examining possibilities.. getting excited when things actually doesn't crash

there's a bunch of ideas floating around in my head, but i don't know if i should talk much about them, until i have at least some prototype stuff going.. but some thoughts: videoprocessor: demoscene/vj things.. extrashifter: doesn't really have to be pitch-shifting! there are other things that opens up possibilities when used in for example reapitch/tune/voice.. extensions: i'm very interested in things for live/improv/performance situations.. some inspirations in this area: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aNyhKcHdts

and as always, some weird and 'different' vst plugins, because i like to use stuff i make myself in my own bands/projects..

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Absolutely. Really, really cool. Thanks for that!
I only have one proposal, since it is not possible to open two or more web server ports - for different layouts:
I can open multiple www-control things, even in tabs on the same device. They're just different URLs. Have you tried that?

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PS: There is a typo in the third word in "more_me" - should be "requires", an "i" is missing.
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And also the introduction text should, in my opinion, be hidden after the selection of a track.
It should be doing that already...
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While you guys are on scrolling, any chance we can get horizontal scrolling in the mixer? This has always been one of those small things that bugged me immensely but specially on laptops/trackpads.
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Don't know where to post it, but it belongs to automation items: is it possible, to create a pitch envelope automation item somehow?
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I can open multiple www-control things, even in tabs on the same device. They're just different URLs. Have you tried that?
Oops. Yeah, right! Great then!

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It should be doing that already...
Tried it on my iPhone 7 Plus with iOS 10.3.3 and Safari. There it is not hidden.
On Chrome on my Windows 7 desktop it is hidden.
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While you guys are on scrolling, any chance we can get horizontal scrolling in the mixer? This has always been one of those small things that bugged me immensely but specially on laptops/trackpads.
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Its so awkward to use the mixer, I never open it unless I absolutely have to.
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More_me is so cool. Really excited about this!
Is there any way to add a simple pan control?
Maybe click the track name and it slides down with a Pan knob?
Thanks so much for adding this great feature!
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Thanks for more_me.html!

I considered buying some small monitor mixers for tracking.
Now I'll just check eBay for old iPads.
RME should have done something like this years ago for their TotalMix App!
Would be really perfect if tracks could have Direct Monitoring access (eg only converters latency). Until that I'll stick with small mixers...
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Don't know where to post it, but it belongs to automation items: is it possible, to create a pitch envelope automation item somehow?
Take envelopes can't have AIs, if I see correctly.
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While you guys are on scrolling, any chance we can get horizontal scrolling in the mixer? This has always been one of those small things that bugged me immensely but specially on laptops/trackpads.
Hmmm horizontal scrolling in the mixer does work here...
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Hmmm horizontal scrolling in the mixer does work here...
I think he they might mean by say grabbing anywhere on the screen and dragging across to get it to scroll. Kind of like the middle mouse button does on the arrange.

I'd be up for having this too as on touch screens it's a difficult to grab the scroll bar.

it would have to only work though on areas that are not sliders etc which doesn't leave much space for it.
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Ah, that. Yeah, that'd be nice indeed.
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I can open multiple www-control things, even in tabs on the same device. They're just different URLs. Have you tried that?
Actually, I did... but I get "Error listening on port, maybe the port is in use?".

It's because port 8080 is already used by fancier.html, I assume. But typing in a different port number doesn't help, really.
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Spectral edits of around 100ms length (96ms in my case) do not work with an FFT size of 4096 or 8192 (at 44.1KHz). Maybe the sizes that are available should take into account the spectral edit length (and samplerate?). What is not available should be greyed out.
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Hi, since pre1, colors in Reatune don't look as they should (like in 5.50)
There ar no more differences between odd and even backgrounds, a black line instead.
Is it due to:
+ ReaTune: improved/simplified manual edit colors
introduced in pre1? I can't see where to manually edit colors.

In Kenny Gioia Reatune video, one can see that sharp and flat notes look like the piano roll in the midi editor. How did he do that?
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Hi, since pre1, colors in Reatune don't look as they should (like in 5.50)
There ar no more differences between odd and even backgrounds, a black line instead.
Is it due to:
+ ReaTune: improved/simplified manual edit colors
introduced in pre1? I can't see where to manually edit colors.

In Kenny Gioia Reatune video, one can see that sharp and flat notes look like the piano roll in the midi editor. How did he do that?
Thanks
The new look is intentional— while the darker colors might look interesting, in practice we found they were more noise than helpful
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The new look is intentional— while the darker colors might look interesting, in practice we found they were more noise than helpful
Thank you Justin, but if it looked like a piano roll it would be clearer, imho, because you have to always look at the left side to see what note you are tweaking. (even if i recognize that this new look is finally better than the old one!)

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Not liking the change to ReaTune either.

Having the dark grey lines for the out-of key notes was something I used often as a guide in manual mode.

See at 7min in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE284abB-0A

How it was before but reduced contrast would be fine.

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The problem is that the old mode emphasized the transition from note to note, rather than the middle of each note, which is what you actually care about. We’ll do some other experiments....
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The problem is that the old mode emphasized the transition from note to note, rather than the middle of each note, which is what you actually care about.
don't think I noticed because it's the same as most other pitch software.

Melodyne, Nectar and Waves Tune use grid alingned with piano. Waves Tune has a faint line in the center of the note.

Autotune has the grid offset without shading like you're trying to do in new version but AT has a much more prominent Piano roll.


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The new look is intentional— while the darker colors might look interesting, in practice we found they were more noise than helpful
I agree that it doesn't look good as it is now. Please revert or provide option, don't go against the grain. See other similar tools like Melodyne, the lines alternate colors like in piano roll for a reason - ease of orientation and familiarity.
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can someone explain how the Midi Editor zoom with mouse wheel is working now? Or is it working?

It has ALWAYS been crazy making for me that the arrange and ME zooms don't just work the same... so I'm hoping this is changing????
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Zooming with regular mousewheel works just fine... You just set the actions the same between arrange and MIDI editor and that's it. The thing that is problematic over here on my side is Logitech's screwed up drivers not doing correct things for horizontal wheel (as per MSDN specifications on how hwheel messages are supposed to be implemented). Refer to t=192376.
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the old mode emphasized the transition from note to note, rather than the middle of each note, which is what you actually care about. We’ll do some other experiments....
W00T! experiments! yeeeaaay =)
FWIW>>> here's how reason 9.5 rolls atmo>



User gets handles for fades,timestretching and pitch transitions- plus it can be manual or automatic-- the thing with reason is it's (legendary >#coughs#<) 3 timestretch algors.Choice of allround,melody and vocal.(vocal is where it's optimized currently i think) =Not too shabby.
The colouring of tracks match the visuals.

Would cockos please consider adding some type of icons to menus + etc--pritty pleese..? maybe something like this modified menu>
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Regarding + Take FX: improve handling of PDC changes [t=194308]

Was that meant to be AU and VST improvements?

I can still very easily reproduce that case where adding an AU plugin during playback causes and issue until playback is stopped and restarted.
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Thanks for "more me" .
- Is it possible to have pan knobs on "more me" ?
- Is it possible to have a special knob for metronome sound?
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