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Old 05-12-2020, 07:05 PM   #1
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Default better coordination with "Playback time offset" and freezing tracks

Currently when you freeze a track it takes the "Playback time offset" into consideration but it doesn't uncheck the box for you, so if you freeze a bunch of tracks you get double the amount of delay unless you manually go in and uncheck all the boxes. You can see this in the following example, with a delay of -1000 ms the sound starts playing at the 9 second mark but then after freezing it plays at the 8 second mark:



Instead of just unchecking the box or having it not be factored into the freezing, it would be really cool if the playback time offset was reflected in the frozen track so that you could adjust the offset and the peaks waveform would dynamically adjust position. I'm not sure if it's possible but this would be really useful for quickly aligning the initial pick attacks of guitars before the drum beat
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Old 05-13-2020, 02:11 AM   #2
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Mmm, I daresay I disagree.

For consistency, freezing should not take into account track time offset.
Consequently, the frozen track must have the same "track time offset" as
the unfrozen track.

This also means that the waveform display never appears exactly at the
real position. This is because of the "track time offset".

But it can't be any different, because the "track time offset" is a parameter
of the track that is actually intended for micro timing adjustments. And
not for synchronization of items with each other.
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Old 05-22-2020, 06:49 PM   #3
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This also means that the waveform display never appears exactly at the
real position. This is because of the "track time offset".

But it can't be any different, because the "track time offset" is a parameter
of the track that is actually intended for micro timing adjustments. And
not for synchronization of items with each other.
There may be technical limitations but saying it can't be any different is ridiculous, there's no logical reason why the waveform display shouldn't be an accurate representation of the playback. You're putting those audio files on that track after all. What micro time adjustments are you making that aren't made for aligning it better within the context of other items on other tracks?
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Old 05-23-2020, 02:53 AM   #4
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there's no logical reason why the waveform display shouldn't be an accurate representation of the playback
Waveform is representation of media source, not the playback (i.e. whole signal flow, including item FX, track FX etc).
Otherwise put an oscilloscope into end of FX chain of master|track|item - you`ll get a representation of playback.

However, it make sense to have "Option: reset track offset when freeze track, restore on unfreeze (add/subtract value to existing, for example if it was changed during freeze)" or just have it as expected behaviour by default. That would be +1 from me.

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Old 05-23-2020, 04:49 AM   #5
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There may be technical limitations but saying it can't be any different is ridiculous, there's no logical reason why the waveform display shouldn't be an accurate representation of the playback. You're putting those audio files on that track after all. What micro time adjustments are you making that aren't made for aligning it better within the context of other items on other tracks?
No, no. You confuse the things here.

The "track time offset" is a playback-property of the track - and ONLY the track.

In the arrange-window usually all items are quantized to the grid - so any
grafical considertion of "track time offset" would confuse everything.

If you want to synchronize visually, set the concerned "track time offset"
to zero, and it should all work as you like.
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Old 06-07-2020, 05:57 PM   #6
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Waveform is representation of media source, not the playback (i.e. whole signal flow, including item FX, track FX etc)
That's not true, for example you can increase/decrease item volume and the waveform peaks will respond appropriately yet the source file won't be modified in any way.

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In the arrange-window usually all items are quantized to the grid - so any
grafical considertion of "track time offset" would confuse everything.
I'm not proposing that item boundaries get moved, just the waveform display contained within them.
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