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First, let me say that I'm not a developer. This isn't a thread to solicit advice on how to dominate Cockos in the marketplace. It's just that everything dies so what will kill the killer? What will put reaper into the annals of software history?
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The production of a product or the maintenance of a software will keep going on until the producer stops to produce or a new owner of the company stops the production.
Music will not vanish and Reaper is just too good to go down, there is still a lot musicproducers switching from other DAWs (proTools) to Reaper.
As long as Cockos want to stay on track it will go on in the right direction.
As long Kenny Gioia is on our side nothing can go wrong !
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Even if development stopped today,
Reaper would still be in use 10-20 years from now..
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SONAR was declared dead 4 years ago, but Cakewalk is still here.
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So what you guys are saying is that the digital age is still in its ascendency? Do you think there are any emerging technologies that will revolutionize or replace the DAW as we know it?

On the dark side, what if anything does Cockos or reaper currently do that'll surely contribute to its decline? For example, Blockbuster wouldn't acknowledge Netflix. Is there a perfect storm brewing at Cockos that'll cause implosion? Can reaper ever be annihilated by hackers?

Reaper has to die eventually. What will kill it?

(For the record, I'm 99% happy with reaper and wish for its everlasting success.)

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Personally I don't really care

I will be dead long before the demise of REAPER
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I think DAWs will stay for long because they are direct connected to music in natural way.
Music has a timeline, a concept that can not change.
Reaper and a symphony orchestra are similar, the dirigent is the timeline and the musicians are the items, the arrange window is the maestro who arrange the concert.

DAWs has huge evolution in the back from the first radiostations and grammophones over analog studios to the first digital audio-converter to computers and so on.

It will just evolve further. The last revolution was probably the M1-chip from Apple.

What we really need is not new technology it is new ideas of music.

What sound are the kids doing ? Where is rock n roll ?
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First, let me say that I'm not a developer. This isn't a thread to solicit advice on how to dominate Cockos in the marketplace. It's just that everything dies so what will kill the killer? What will put reaper into the annals of software history?
Suggestion: your answer is likely to be found in a book such as "A Canticle for Leibowitz" (Walter Miller Jr.) The canticle moves from devastation to a rebuild then wash-rinse-repeat. One helluva story.

You'll be able to connect the dots.
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well when god comes back and destroys evil, among them will be death. So, I would imagine the harbinger of death would also be destroyed as we all transition to paradise. It's ok tho, we can play with tigers and shit
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vegan atheist using modified Reaper on custom Linux build on raspberry pi using handmade audio drivers for an emu1820 on solar energy mining bitcoin and using CRT monitors playing in 432hz album arriving in 2009 on soundcloud metalcore ambient polka before it was cool
Soundcloud?! So louche.

mp3.com or its not legit!

add/remove programs destroys Reaper.
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Are you planing something sick ? You want to harm people or something ? You asking a thing that is obvius for any software on internet. Reaper is so good that i maked from Reaper other daws. You asking about end of the universe shit if you askin about Reaper.
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The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind
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Even if development stopped today,
Reaper would still be in use 10-20 years from now..
Guaranteed! Right along with a version of MacOS between 10.6 and 10.13 and a Jobs-era Mac Pro.

If the gaslighting style subscription services go any more wild these days, products like Reaper will be held in even higher regard.
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Our spaceships are to slow atm, but fingers crossed

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Asked by Reaper (85.110.44.x) on September 23 2019, 8:44pm

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REAPER will end at some point, but it's hard to say when. Definitely before the end of the universe.
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I would GUESS that REAPER has an advantage in that Justin seems to be doing it for the love of it rather than "just for money" like most corporations. (I assume he doesn't loose money.)

At some point, maybe he'll get bored or maybe something happens where he can't do it anymore and it might be converted-to or sold-to a "regular company".

I also assume Cockos/REAPER is more dependent on its founder than most corporations... They can't just hire another CEO and keep-going like nothing's changed.

Or, maybe Cockos will start loosing money (too many expenses or excessive taxes & regulation, etc.).
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The never-ending UI complaints.

Taking your question semi-seriously, hardware seems to be making a comeback. My XR18 has ITB mixing, effects, full remote interface... if it had mix automation and ITB recording, which would be fairly trivial I reckon, it wouldn't -need- a DAW... if it also ran VST(i)s -I- wouldn't need a DAW.

Until the day that Skynet records everything all the time and delivers you a finished mix to your spec on request, there will still need to be mics and a box to plug them in to... if that box could do everything else too, you wouldn't need a DAW... of course whatever was in the box would -be- a DAW... and maybe that would or could be Reaper.

So I'm back to my original answer. UI complaints. Or Skynet.
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Amazon will release a DAW with proprietary AI that will say:
"If you liked "Back in Black" you'll love these mastering chain effect settings:"
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I would GUESS that REAPER has an advantage in that Justin seems to be doing it for the love of it rather than "just for money" like most corporations. (I assume he doesn't loose money.)

At some point, maybe he'll get bored or maybe something happens where he can't do it anymore and it might be converted-to or sold-to a "regular company".

I also assume Cockos/REAPER is more dependent on its founder than most corporations... They can't just hire another CEO and keep-going like nothing's changed.

Or, maybe Cockos will start loosing money (too many expenses or excessive taxes & regulation, etc.).
I think even if the founders decide to move on, Reaper could continue to be great if bought by the right company. While the current price structure is great, I don't think it would be unreasonable to charge Reason money. And if they continue the current update schedule, it could still be great for a long time!
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Supermassive black hole.
Maybe, but more likely it will be the aliens. They have death rays that use seven-dimensional (five spatial and two temporal) lasers that our puny, c-space bound defense shields are powerless to stop. And they've already cut a deal with Avid for monopolistic DAW control once they've colonized our primitive planet.
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Great points, thanks for the replies!

I'm not planning anything sick. It's just that I've often tried to see the opposite in things: how an old lady might've looked in her 20's or the world in which an 80's car lived.

Thanks for the book suggestion - I've added it to my shopping list.

This mention of a move-back-to-hardware is interesting because you named a hardware mixer that's designed to be used with a mobile device. Hasn't Cockos
specifically said that reaper will never be mobile? Before COVID, I believe the desktop platform was in user base decline. Will gamers, creatives, and scientists be enough to keep it alive? Someone mentioned the M1 processor - that could accelerate the switch to mobile/touch.

It's hilarious to think that a game of Battleship will determine reaper's final outcome. Of all the possibilities, this might be my favorite.

Corporate takeover is a real possibility. Haven't Sequential and Sweetwater just recently handed over ownership to investment firms? NI and iZotope have merged.
lol @ Gibson. Can you imagine? Record Authentic - lawsuits for everyone [oprah-gif]

Winamp was great and I miss it. Really, a free version of Winamp, even emulated, with every reaper license would be amazing.

It's also interesting to consider that some of you seem to believe that reaper will outlive you. I'm 38 and have seen many game consoles come and go, the
rise, fall, and return of AMD as a competitive CPU manufacturer, and numerous other products and trends cycle through. Obviously, I don't know whether I'll die before
reaper or not but it would be interesting if my last days were spent modifying my actions hotkeys.

davetbass mentions clones by Amazon. Reaper is already relatively affordable so I doubt Behringer and the like will try to cut Cockos out. Who knows, didn't Bgr make an SM58 clone for like $5 less?

Also, this is a good point: Mr. Justin already doesn't develop his previous gem in Winamp. Why wouldn't reaper fall prey? People tried to warn me about NI's
history with Kore when I was going to buy Maschine. Turns out, they like to drop support for things. Tendencies tend to be tenacious.

The subscription model is also a valid concern. How long can Cockos and devs like Serif hold out? So much sweet cash! (please no)

Add/Remove programs is relevant. Significant innovation or trends could cause a mass migration. Popular music genres influence which instruments people take up.
If there was a mainstream hardcore folk revival, reaper could lose relevance. How many DAW licenses do you think Skrillex helped sell? We know how Hendrix turned out.

The daw horizontal timeline is a curious format. We've had wax cylinders, discs of various materials, tape, step sequencers, trackers, and now the horizontal timeline. Does anyone else visualize music on the z-axis instead of the x? I always thought a 'through' timeline would be interesting and more intuitive.

Thanks for the discussion!
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This mention of a move-back-to-hardware is interesting because you named a hardware mixer that's designed to be used with a mobile device. Hasn't Cockos
specifically said that reaper will never be mobile?
Reaper is fully as mobile as my XR18, well much more so of course. Both have remote -interfaces- but do not -operate- on the mobile platforms. Not familiar with the quote but no doubt Justin was saying that he won't be recoding Reaper to operate on Android/IPhone. Unless I'm missing something...
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Me too... actually Winamp still runs every time I want a nostalgia hit... the main issue seems to be AVS crashes, but that's same as it ever was lol.

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Justin -sold- Winamp, I imagine he wasn't allowed to have anything to do with it after that when it was still a thing, even so now, were you him would you still want to work on what you were doing 20 years ago? For free? When you have sooo many feature requests and UI complaints to deal with? Jeebus, he'd be ripped to shreds in the forum for starters.
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... because Ed Sheeran of course only uses ProTools? No doubt, but the -next- Ed Sheeran will have come up with Reaper.

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While the current price structure is great, I don't think it would be unreasonable to charge Reason money.
Surely Reason's attraction is for the vast range of virtual instruments included? Reaper would become a different beast with its own (or third party?) VSTi's.
Interesting game might be to imagine what you might expect to be included in a $500 Reaper...
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If there was a mainstream hardcore folk revival, reaper could lose relevance.
I play folk music a lot (not sure what the mainstream hardcore part means though) and I use Reaper constantly. Although I suppose if it was discontinued tomorrow my current 5.something version would serve me fine for the rest of my days.

Oh and re pricing. The subs model must indeed be tempting but on the other hand being one of the few NOT to be priced that way must also help with sales, surely?
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Given that cockos is an ethical company capitalism will be the destroyer...


no wait, did I say capitalism?



so sorry, meant to type socialism...
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well ive used winamp since like 1999, and i still have it, but it's not the best comparison.

Winamp is a program that simply does a thing. It plays mp3s. Actually it does much more and has a lot more capability but that's all I need it for.

It's like a really awesome microwave. it's 20+ years old, it still works well.

Reaper is more like a kitchen... you aren't just performing a few proximal tasks, you are in an adaptive place with tons of different tools and capabilities. You could make your eggs in the morning or do thanksgiving dinner. You could do it for yourself, or professionally. Tools get updated every so often, and there are some aspects of other kitchens which are better or worse.

....not that I'm comparing Justin & co's efforts to a microwave, and I mean, it's pretty awesome i've been using this mp3 microwave for 20 plus years.... but I dont think it's the best comparison
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Given that cockos is an ethical company capitalism will be the destroyer...


no wait, did I say capitalism?



so sorry, meant to type socialism...
well, reaper is centrally planned and distributes features according to the users' needs.

Capitalism doesn't need to destroy reaper, it will just destroy the world around it.
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Supermassive, black hole.
To name two fine plugins that will work in Reaper for many years to come. Provided we aren't all destroyed by your supermassive black hole, or a super mutated gain of function lab leak.
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I thought he was referring to a muse song
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Feature creep (software bloat) will destroy Reaper. And the current list of operating systems that run it will evolve to the point where they can no longer support the older builds.

Reaper’s half-assed support for video will kill it.

Cloud-based virtual audio workstations will kill it.

Boredom will kill it when the current Cockos staff lose personal interest in what they are currently doing.

Third-party software licensing models (like that of FFMPEG, for example) will kill it.

Digital Rights Management systems (hardware and software) will destroy it, and patents too.

Further, the whole idea of a “Profession Audio Workstation” will be abandoned to accommodate phone toys that make YouTube videos for thirteen-year olds.

Reaper’s own customers will destroy it, when there are so few of them that Cockos can’t financially sustain themself.

Google will probably eventually buy Cockos/Reaper and turn it into a cloud-based thing; and then the entire Cockos staff will move to tax shelters like the Bahamas.

The last human to have any memory of Cockos or Reaper whatsoever will die in the early 22nd century. And that memory will be corrupted by mind rot, where Reaper will conflate with Cakewalk.

- Thanks for asking.

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Thanks.

All those years at the Edgy Academy have really paid off.
well at least you're good at something right?
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