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Default v5.983+dev0909 - September 9 2019

v5.983+dev0909 - September 9 2019
+ API: add MIDI_GetCCShape, MIDI_SetCCShape
+ FX chain: option to put add/delete buttons above list
# Envelopes: improve drawing of selected envelopes (especially retina/hidpi)
# FX chain: better list size on right side

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+ FX chain: option to put add/delete buttons above list

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Wouldn't it look better if the buttons were aligned with the other controls?



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A slight suggestion (not FR)... While working on FX chain layout, wouldn't it be great to have folder-like structure for FX Chains? So that there is FX chain name on top of "chain folder", and it is foldable with '+' sign. Something like this:
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Hi devs, thanks for bringing again selected CCs´drawing to the table. As far as I can see, what I remarked about it in dev0517 is still valid :



https://forum.cockos.com/showpost.ph...68&postcount=2




I see that the border of selected CCs´nodes have the same color as the unselected ones, as shown in the screenshot of the link. Hence, with high levels of zooms, it´s difficult to discern which nodes are selected. Besides, velocity´s horizontal lines are not colored, which would be more consistent too.
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What changed with DPI stuff in recent versions? I use 125% DPI scaling in Win10 and now all elements in Reaper are zoomed, despite any compatibility override settings in Windows. This was working fine in v5.983, but not this dev build.
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What changed with DPI stuff in recent versions? I use 125% DPI scaling in Win10 and now all elements in Reaper are zoomed, despite any compatibility override settings in Windows. This was working fine in v5.983, but not this dev build.
The theme UI is zoomed, however if a theme supports 1.25x it will use that layout. The text should look a lot nicer in this mode though (since it is rendered at the native screen resolution).

You can go to prefs/general/advanced, DPI setting, and change this behavior there. It sounds like you previously had set this to "Aware" -- if you don't want REAPER to rescale its UI, try "Aware + ignore".
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A slight suggestion (not FR)... While working on FX chain layout, wouldn't it be great to have folder-like structure for FX Chains? So that there is FX chain name on top of "chain folder", and it is foldable with '+' sign. Something like this:
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|   MyNextFX
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+ My2ndChain
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|   MyNextFX
AnyMoreFX
AnyMoreEQ
great suggestion :P
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It sounds like you previously had set this to "Aware" -- if you don't want REAPER to rescale its UI, try "Aware + ignore".
Indeed I did, and that works. Thanks!
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Wouldn't it look better if the buttons were aligned with the other controls?
Yes, it would. This is what I took extra time to do in my mockup in the previous dev version thread. Please, align things nicely, devs
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+ API: add MIDI_GetCCShape, MIDI_SetCCShape

Thanks DEVs, Really appropriate helping us out with the API.

I just spoke to Julian about his CC editing scripts and it looks like these new functions are only for editing individual CCs one at a time. His scripts use the MIDI_Get/SetAllEvts functions, which can edit thousands of CCs in one go. He said the The updated Get/SetAllEvts functions were actually available for a short time when the CC envelopes were first introduced. I'm sure you guys are hard at work making sure everything works correctly before re-releasing that API.

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YPlease, align things nicely, devs
I have to agree. It may seem nitpicky, but to sensitive people, it's actively distracting to the eye.

And to my eye, nothing clutters an interface faster than inconsistent gaps between elements, accompanied by lots of tiny text (which is the Fx Chain Window, in a nutshell, ).
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A slight suggestion (not FR)... While working on FX chain layout, wouldn't it be great to have folder-like structure for FX Chains? So that there is FX chain name on top of "chain folder", and it is foldable with '+' sign. Something like this:
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AnyEQ
AnyComp
+ MyChain
|   MyEQ
|   MyComp
|   MyNextFX
AnyNextFX
AnyNextEQ
+ My2ndChain
|   MyEQ
|   MyComp
|   MyNextFX
AnyMoreFX
AnyMoreEQ
Yeah, this would be so nice when working with complex FX chains. I have often wished I could fold them to only take up one slot and work as one unit when moving them around. Pretty much the same reason I fold tracks.
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fx chains in folders created in fx browser cannot be renamed.
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Hi devs, thanks for bringing again selected CCs´drawing to the table. As far as I can see, what I remarked about it in dev0517 is still valid :



https://forum.cockos.com/showpost.ph...68&postcount=2




I see that the border of selected CCs´nodes have the same color as the unselected ones, as shown in the screenshot of the link. Hence, with high levels of zooms, it´s difficult to discern which nodes are selected. Besides, velocity´s horizontal lines are not colored, which would be more consistent too.
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i still think we should have the option to assign 1 color to represent selected data, regardless of what color mode is being used. i use color by track, but want to use a bright, otherwise unused color to represent selection.

just like how all of these words color identically when you click-drag to select them. there's no question as to what is selected, no extra step of thinking "well, this track is X color, so i'm looking for a lighter version of X color"
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Seeing what tracks are selected is an ancient, yet unresolved problem for me. It's no better in the v6 alpha theme ? Haven't checked that for months.

The improvement on the FX chain window work nicely. Alignment? Sure. Can always be done.
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I have to agree. It may seem nitpicky, but to sensitive people, it's actively distracting to the eye.

And to my eye, nothing clutters an interface faster than inconsistent gaps between elements, accompanied by lots of tiny text (which is the Fx Chain Window, in a nutshell, ).
I don't think it's nitpicky since we're all dealing with aesthetics. I always thought it would be better if things were aligned a little more nicely...

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I don't think it's nitpicky since we're all dealing with aesthetics. I always thought it would be better if things were aligned a little more nicely...
Big +1 for this. The current implementation on the left sends me into an OCD tailspin. Right pic looks SO much better.
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Yea that's a great example. The image on the left makes my eyes shoot all over and actually produces a feeling of distress. With the one on the right, I can easily find what I'm looking for in one or two smooths sweeps, without any anxiety.

I feel we're getting too far from pre-release concerns here, but yea, Reaper dialogs often feel diving deep for coins. The longer I have to spend looking, the more panicky I get.
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Good grief, that image on the right is better sir.
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I don't think it's nitpicky since we're all dealing with aesthetics. I always thought it would be better if things were aligned a little more nicely...

Hmm yeah that is nicer
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I don't think it's nitpicky since we're all dealing with aesthetics. I always thought it would be better if things were aligned a little more nicely...

Hi, USR! Congratulations on your idea.

Just like you, I've been asking you for a long time, since 2018, in Preferences to put some words from the main menu in 'bold to highlight'. See the link below.

https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=210642

PS: I would be grateful to see here how it would look, just like you did for the "Media Item Properties" window, also putting in bold the main topics.

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I don't think it's nitpicky since we're all dealing with aesthetics. I always thought it would be better if things were aligned a little more nicely...

+1000 for this! This is sooooo much nicer! Great mock-up.
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I don't think it's nitpicky since we're all dealing with aesthetics. I always thought it would be better if things were aligned a little more nicely...
yeah agreed, very nice!
– schematic design is an art-form, probably I would even go this far :

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Hello, it is definitely better when aligned. I even wonder why I didn't realize it wasn't before.
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– schematic design is an art-form, probably I would even go this
Yea. Good UI design is a bit undervalued these days, just like most other kinds of art. Definitely takes a skilled hand.

I would go even further and make each section a collapsible panel for a less overwhelming experience. E.g. in the item properties window, 99/100 times I only want to see take properties, but still end up reading half that text every time I open the dialog.

Preferences sections actually are collapsible, but unfortunately they don't stay collapsed after closing the window...

Not a mockup:

I think noobs would do a lot less complaining about the interface if all the really powerful tools were under the hood.
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The varied tone mockup doe make it easier to read imo
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yeah agreed, very nice!
– schematic design is an art-form, probably I would even go this far :

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Yea. Good UI design is a bit undervalued these days, just like most other kinds of art. Definitely takes a skilled hand.

I would go even further and make each section a collapsible panel for a less overwhelming experience. E.g. in the item properties window, 99/100 times I only want to see take properties, but still end up reading half that text every time I open the dialog.

Preferences sections actually are collapsible, but unfortunately they don't stay collapsed after closing the window...

Not a mockup:

I think noobs would do a lot less complaining about the interface if all the really powerful tools were under the hood.
Yes...foxAsteria

But I would still like to see the 'Main Knob' of each topic as Bold to highlight, in this case 'Audio'!
As I've been suggesting since 2018 for: General, Project, Audio, Appearance, Editing Behavior, Media, Plug-ins, Control/OSC/web and External Editors.

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Yea. Good UI design is a bit undervalued these days, just like most other kinds of art. Definitely takes a skilled hand.

I would go even further and make each section a collapsible panel for a less overwhelming experience. E.g. in the item properties window, 99/100 times I only want to see take properties, but still end up reading half that text every time I open the dialog.

Preferences sections actually are collapsible, but unfortunately they don't stay collapsed after closing the window...

Not a mockup:

I think noobs would do a lot less complaining about the interface if all the really powerful tools were under the hood.
Not a mockup -sorry, where is this picture taken from?
Anyways, you’re right, and I never thought of that as a bug, but I do now:-) Of cause it should stay collapsed or in same state, at least within same session. Media explorer do keep and recall last view.

I agree, having collapsible sections within windows could bring the entire UI a huge step further towards a more gentle experience for newcomers. But it has to be done in a smart, discrete way, not becoming a burden for elite users. Features like dynamic windows comes into mind.

Also to begin with, the top main menu can be quite overwhelming, I mean, ask someone relatively new to Reaper to find sub menu for Items Ruler..

On the other hand, the more complex, the greater chance for everyone, skilled or not, to learn something new each time we open up Reaper ツ
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Not a mockup:

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System like this would look great also for FX Chain folding. FX Chain would be like a folder, collapsible, so you can hide complex FX chains and not have them taking space.
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Not a mockup -sorry, where is this picture taken from?
I just snipped Reaper preferences with most of the headers collapsed.

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But I would still like to see the 'Main Knob' of each topic as Bold to highlight
Yea, bold or even ALL CAPS.
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I don't think it's nitpicky since we're all dealing with aesthetics. I always thought it would be better if things were aligned a little more nicely...

Not nitpicky at all. I love it!
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To dive in, I also agree with the idea proposed originally by USR.
It looks very reasonnable to do and also looks much more easy to look through the options
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I would be grateful to see here how it would look, just like you did for the "Media Item Properties" window, also putting in bold the main topics.
And I would organize things a little bit, maybe like this...

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And I would organize things a little bit, maybe like this...

USR, Great!!

I liked very much the way shown below, it would only leave in darker gray the areas marked in red, such as the windows of Media Item Properties also marked.
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