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05-22-2008, 10:00 AM
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Human being with feelings
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Snap cursor, marker, time selection to item
Hi,
it would be very nice, if there were an option to make cursor, markers and time selection snap to the start/end of an item.
Also moving the cursor with a handle in the timeline (like the markers) would be fine. (done in 2302pre3)
Thanks,
Blechi
Last edited by Blechi; 06-28-2008 at 03:51 AM.
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06-28-2008, 03:55 AM
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Human being with feelings
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*bump*
Does no one else need this?
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06-28-2008, 04:29 AM
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Mortal
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If you click on the end of an item, or start, the cursor snaps to it (when you see the double headed horizontal arrow). Then the marker will snap to the cursor. But indeed, there should be an option for the snapping you suggest without the workaround.
(I just noticed scrubbing is silenced if you press the shift key - was that mentioned before?)
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06-28-2008, 04:57 AM
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The workaround is what i'm using now, but why work around, when it's easier to have it as an option...
(The 'mute scrub with shift toggle' is mentioned in the audio options menu. But i think it would be better to have it muted as standard and unmute it by pressing shift or something like that. This way one wouldn't have to stumble through the options menu when scrubbing is needed and the ears would appreciate this too... (edit: DONE))
Last edited by Blechi; 08-12-2008 at 09:20 AM.
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08-12-2008, 02:19 PM
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Human being with feelings
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08-12-2008, 03:06 PM
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Human being with feelings
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and if I may...
when snap get's love and or pimped, Please allow for snap to sample if zoomed in close enough!
.t
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08-22-2008, 06:13 AM
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Human being with feelings
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*bump*
I can't believe that nobody needs this.
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09-07-2008, 05:42 PM
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Human being with feelings
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++1 for this one.I can't believe this feature isn't implemented yet.
This is one of the features I need (will use) the most: auto-snap time selection area to media item start/end.
Snapping should be restricted to items on the selected track or the track under the mouse cursor (I find the second method better)
Last edited by synth; 09-07-2008 at 06:10 PM.
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09-07-2008, 06:07 PM
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Human being with feelings
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Welcome to "the can't believers club".
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09-07-2008, 06:35 PM
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I replied to this already, but misread the OP.
Yes. Snap Loop and or time (depending on what's being drawn) to item the item beneath the mouse.
"but If I am drawing a loop in the time-line..." you say. Well if you start drawing your loop selection in the time line and then move down to the arrange without releasing the mouse, the loop selection continues to draw, and at that point it could snap to the edges of items beneath the mouse:
.t
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09-07-2008, 06:50 PM
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Talli, in your example you are snapping to grid, not to items. With the grid turned off cursor, time selection etc. don't snap to start/end of items.
BTW: Time selection doesn't snap to loop start/end. The loop start/end do snap to time selection, but not the other way around. Is this new ?
EDIT: Perhaps some kind of snap matrix would be good, where you can specify what snaps to what.
Last edited by Blechi; 09-07-2008 at 07:07 PM.
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09-11-2008, 05:44 PM
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Hi Blechi,
don't know, whether I understand what you really want to do, but how about doubleklicking the item?
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09-11-2008, 06:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blechi
Talli, in your example you are snapping to grid, not to items. With the grid turned off cursor, time selection etc. don't snap to start/end of items.
BTW: Time selection doesn't snap to loop start/end. The loop start/end do snap to time selection, but not the other way around. Is this new ?
EDIT: Perhaps some kind of snap matrix would be good, where you can specify what snaps to what.
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you are correct! That clip is just to illustrate that, if you begin drawing a loop selection from the timeline, that you could lower the mouse such that the selection could snap to the item below the cursor.
.t
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09-12-2008, 12:59 PM
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Yeah... it would be nice. I would like you all get in here and see an sketch I drew to upgrade our "almost" nice Snap/grid settings.
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=25914
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03-18-2009, 04:50 PM
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resurrection
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro
...snip...
Here I drop an "ugly" sketch of what I think would make "Snap/grid" to work better (do you think I should change it to a new thread in the Features Request Forum?):
Thanks a lot for your time "and always remember... don't make money selling paintings made in PAINt"
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Thanks for clarification.
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03-19-2009, 12:58 AM
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Human being with feelings
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Just thought if you're interested, here are actions to snap items themselves around.
Snapping items to edit cursors
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04-18-2009, 01:21 AM
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Time to bump it again.
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06-05-2009, 12:43 AM
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Now we have 3.01 and still no luck snapping cursor, markers, timeselection to item.
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07-10-2009, 06:37 AM
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time for a bump (again)
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08-27-2009, 03:14 AM
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and another bump
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09-21-2009, 04:15 AM
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Great, now we have snap relative to grid, but cursor, markers and time selections still don't snap to items...
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10-03-2009, 04:28 PM
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snappity snap
Please can we get this going? It would be very helpful...
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12-14-2009, 08:21 AM
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Time to bump this one again...
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03-17-2010, 12:04 PM
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Come on guys,
Why wouldn't this be a great feature! Click on the timeline, and the cursor snaps to the nearest item start, end, split, and crossfades. See video demo Here:
Snapping From Timeline
See this also:
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=25914
++1 for this. Let's get it going.
Thanks.
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03-26-2010, 03:05 PM
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Human being with feelings
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Well, bump!
Guys,
Would I be correct in saying that these actions below
Could be replaced, with a single mouse click on the timeline?
Demo
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04-07-2010, 11:09 AM
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Blechi also suggested implicating snapping to samples, when zoomed in horizontal in this FR. This is a quick demo (using Samplitude)
See Demo below. Please vote Here: http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=2263
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04-07-2010, 11:12 AM
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Ok, I don't get snap to samples. When you zoom in that close, the sample level, samples are the only real time measurement so where else would the cursor be snapping to or why or how could or would anyone make an edit between samples?
Or am I missing something?
Last edited by Lawrence; 04-07-2010 at 11:20 AM.
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04-07-2010, 11:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawrence
Ok, I don't get snap to samples. When you zoom in that close, the sample level, samples are the only real time measurement so where else would the cursor be snapping to or why or how could or would anyone make an edit between samples?
Or am I missing something?
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Snap to sample would prevent confusing behaviour like this:
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04-07-2010, 12:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blechi
Snap to sample would prevent confusing behaviour like this:
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Ok, that is odd.
Last edited by Lawrence; 04-07-2010 at 12:39 PM.
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05-05-2010, 02:36 PM
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My suggestion would be a little different:
call ist "magnetic cusor", "magnetic marker", "magnetic time selection", "magnetic item" and so on...
This is a very useful feature and was already in a quite similar way in Triple Dat implemented.
There was also a "magnetic grid".
To much words for an easy thing just confuses the people.
Maybe it would be good to put some functions together, but it should be selectable by the user.
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05-05-2010, 02:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Entnervt500
My suggestion would be a little different:
call ist "magnetic cusor", "magnetic marker", "magnetic time selection", "magnetic item" and so on...
This is a very useful feature and was already in a quite similar way in Triple Dat implemented.
There was also a "magnetic grid".
To much words for an easy thing just confuses the people.
Maybe it would be good to put some functions together, but it should be selectable by the user.
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Hi,
I can understand what you saying. The mockup in the above post lets the users select the settings they want for this FR. For me,it doesn't really matter what it's called, as long as we can click on the timeline, and have the cursor snap to the nearest item start, end, split, etc. while the grid turned off.
Thanks, Wyatt
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05-05-2010, 03:29 PM
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Human being with feelings
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AFAIK Reaper's subsample accurate editing is a "side effect" of the ability of playing (and resampling) any samplerates on on the fly.
its a hell in an OCD point of view, but it means nothing for 99.999% of the users.
i wish, i wish, i wish, i wish, i wish, i wish, i wish, i wish, i wish, i wish, i wish.. (no copy-paste used, this is how hard i wish, i wish, i wish this option.)
SNAP TO PROJECT SAMPLERATE : !!!!
but,
not only the item starts, markers, etc - but also the item content! without this, we still can have an item which starts at a correct sample point - but not, because its content is rounded to X or Y. not predictable - and yes, there are uses of sample accurate editing in real life.
it just requires having that OCD..
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05-06-2010, 03:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wyattrice
Hi,
I can understand what you saying. The mockup in the above post lets the users select the settings they want for this FR. For me,it doesn't really matter what it's called, as long as we can click on the timeline, and have the cursor snap to the nearest item start, end, split, etc. while the grid turned off.
Thanks, Wyatt
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I Like it simple. A music programm must be simple - too complicated things and names maybe something good for technical freaks, i prefer doing music, not doing any programming.
And why inventing new expressions, if there's allready good expression for the same function in other - well known - programms?
I think, a musician who can play edits quite different than a mouse-musicians, the last ones need that grid, the first ones need a tool für free editing, so there are different requirements.
It's hard to get that all together...
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05-19-2010, 04:31 PM
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Human being with feelings
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Hi All,
The issue tracker for this feature request has been updated to include Cue's. Check it out, and please vote! http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=2263
Thanks, Wyatt
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05-28-2010, 05:02 PM
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Transfer from IID#2263
Quote:
Originally Posted by mabian
I'd add envelope nodes, they should have an own snap flag. I add this here because the two discussion thread are too "sparse" imho...
EDIT: More in detail, I think the FR should be extended, adding a sixth row to the "Snap to" matrix in the mock up ("Snap Envelope nodes to...").
With this extra row, the user is able to specify how snap affects envelope nodes positioning in reference to grid, item edges, etc.
A small addition to the mock up, but a great addition to the snap feature set: currently, imho the way snap affects (or doesn't affect) envelope nodes positioning is a tad obscure...
Thanks,
Mario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Stop Continues
Unsnappable fades is my biggest pet peeve! I spend way too much time zooming in to try to do it manually. I find it particularly important with those tiny fade-ins on time-snapped clips. It's too easy to ruin a drum's attack with unsnapped fades.
I agree with the rest of the requests as well.
One thing, shouldn't you be able to snap
selection-selection (e.g. new selection where the last ended),
marker-marker (e.g. time marker to marker, marker to region),
and cue-cue (a cue in an item on a neighbor track)?
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06-05-2010, 11:38 PM
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Human being with feelings
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June bump for this. The mockup has now been updated to include media cues. I know that the feature request rules state just one at a time,
but I think that if the cursor were implemented to snap from the timeline, the rest of them may come. It depends on the developers.
I hope the devs are up for this challenge.
Any thoughts?
Thanks Wyatt
Last edited by WyattRice; 06-07-2010 at 09:23 AM.
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06-23-2010, 12:35 PM
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Human being with feelings
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I'm also looking to snap time selection to items.
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07-24-2010, 09:40 PM
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Human being with feelings
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July Bump for this. Let's get some votes, and just maybe, the devs might consider this for version 4, which looks it could be happening sometimes soon. Please vote for this here. http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=2263
Thanks, Wyatt
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