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01-24-2018, 07:55 AM
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v5.71pre14a - January 24 2018
v5.71pre14a - January 24 2018
- # MIDI: always draw at least one lane of CC data in arrange view
- # MIDI: don't display combined CC lane in arrange view if the media item contains zero or one distinct type of CC data
- # MIDI: smoother combined CC data lane in peaks drawing
v5.71pre14 - January 24 2018
- + Envelopes: when using "preserve edge points" mouse modifer, prevent unnecessary left edge point if previous point shape is square
- + MIDI: add preference to display multiple CC lanes in the arrange view, and/or combine all CC data into a single lane
- + VST3: inform plugins of multichannel context even if the plugin does not adjust its I/O configuration in response
- # MIDI peaks: initialize centered lanes properly
Changelog - Pre-Releases
Generated by X-Raym's REAPER ChangeLog to BBCode
Last edited by vitalker; 01-24-2018 at 03:29 PM.
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01-24-2018, 08:01 AM
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There's an extra CC lane generated in the peaks even when only using one CC lane in the MIDI item total. It looks very steppy.
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01-24-2018, 08:05 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilDragon
There's an extra CC lane generated in the peaks even when only using one CC lane in the MIDI item total. It looks very steppy.
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I suppose we should suppress the "everything" lane if there are zero or one lanes of existing data in the MIDI item.
As for the steppiness of the "everything" lane, we can probably improve that.
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01-24-2018, 08:13 AM
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I'm somehow thinking that perhaps those two options should be mutually exclusive (radio buttons)? If we have multiple lanes showing, why would we want to see the combined one?
But yes, suppressing the drawing of everything lane would work as well.
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01-24-2018, 11:03 AM
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edit, was on 14 and missed pre14a.
Last edited by mccrabney; 01-25-2018 at 05:57 AM.
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01-24-2018, 11:35 AM
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While you're on at the CC, can you solve this bug ?
As you can see, there are pitch datas shown on the arrange midi clip but there is no point before the pitch controler in the midi editor controlers drop down list to show it.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Qc...-0eUwloO6vEwvs
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01-24-2018, 12:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vitalker
v5.71pre14 - January 24 2018
+ Envelopes: when using "preserve edge points" mouse modifer, prevent unnecessary left edge point if previous point shape is square
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Related (I think), with pre14 I'm still getting a left behind (edge) point by simply inserting a new AI and moving it.
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01-24-2018, 12:35 PM
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+ MIDI: add preference to display multiple CC lanes in the arrange view, and/or combine all CC data into a single lane
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Wohoooo, thank you guys! That's awesome!
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i thought i saw some discussion about minimized tracks hiding midi ccs, but i can't find it. i have a use case where i'd rather see the CC data at any zoom level. here, items with only CC data disappear at low zoom levels and appear as if they were empty items. this could lead to them accidentally being deleted by overzealous cleanup.
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Yep, that would make it perfect, if we were able to choose "show CC data at any track size".
EDIT: ignore the above, missed Pre 14a! It's all there now.
Last edited by _Stevie_; 01-25-2018 at 07:40 AM.
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01-24-2018, 12:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nofish
Related (I think), with pre14 I'm still getting a left behind (edge) point by simply inserting a new AI and moving it.
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Its acted that way since 5.60 if you have option a or c enabled, but not when option b enabled. Go back to say v5.52 and it doesn't happen no matter if option a,b or c are enabled.
a)Options: Automation items connect to the underlying envelope on the right side
b)Options: Automation items connect to the underlying envelope on both sides
c)Options: Automation items do not connect to the underlying envelope
Last edited by Edgemeal; 01-24-2018 at 12:42 PM.
Reason: TYPO
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01-24-2018, 02:40 PM
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^^ Thanks, I missed that there are options for this.
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01-25-2018, 07:37 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
I suppose we should suppress the "everything" lane if there are zero or one lanes of existing data in the MIDI item.
As for the steppiness of the "everything" lane, we can probably improve that.
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Yes, please. If you can achieve that it will be really nice, not important, but nice.
+ MIDI: add preference to display multiple CC lanes in the arrange view, and/or combine all CC data into a single lane
Thanks a lot.
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01-25-2018, 09:11 AM
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Hi there, once again the linux x86_64 build is missing
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01-25-2018, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by david0
Hi there, once again the linux x86_64 build is missing
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Should be there now. Sorry, that's by far the slowest autobuild machine so we sometimes publish the other builds while that one is still building.
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01-25-2018, 12:15 PM
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Hi,
The VST 3 plugin channel configuration seems to be messed up in the newer pre releases.
Here is a video comparison between pre 13 icc build Vs pre 14a icc build.
In Pre 13 icc the VST plugin channel info was partially broken. Here in this video I show with 2 plugins. They are IOSONO Anymix pro surround panner plugin and exponential audio R2 surround. As you can see in pre 13 the IOSONO channel info was broken. when i use iosono panner on a stereo track and set it up to stereo to 5.1 it plays fine. But the moment I split the item the second part of the item's channel config changes to stereo to stereo. This never used to happen with the previous release. With exponential audio r2 surround the plugin channels worked correctly as it used to in previous versions.
Pre 13 Video link
https://www.dropbox.com/s/sz66t118a9...icc18.mov?dl=0
In Pre 14 and 14 a, both plugin channels info are broken. With r2 surround when i put it in a stereo item, the reverb says its only receiving left channel info and thereby the plugin shows mono. If i make the track channel 6 and then add the plugin as take fx then the plugin says 5.1 but when the plugin shows output on its meters coming out of L,R,C channels..reaper's meter is showing outputs in L, R, and Lfe channels (I show this in the video). The IOSONO panner bug still persists from Pre 13. Can you pls fix these ?
Pre 14a Video Link
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7wy1h92lm5...icc18.mov?dl=0
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01-25-2018, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Reynaud
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Yes.. I see that now... But I have used vst 3 versions on my current projects and now when I installed pre 14 they all sounded wrong. So I had to roll back to pre 13 unless there is a way to batch change all the plugins to AU 😂😂. But the iosono panner plugin channel info has been messed up from Clang version actually
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01-25-2018, 12:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by svijayrathinam
But the moment I split the item the second part of the item's channel config changes to stereo to stereo. This never used to happen with the previous release.
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For take FX, the plugin may not receive the new channel information until the item plays. Does playing the item update the plugin channel config? I don't think anything has changed in this regard.
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Originally Posted by svijayrathinam
With r2 surround when i put it in a stereo item, the reverb says its only receiving left channel info and thereby the plugin shows mono.
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This developer contacted us a few days ago about a different issue with this plugin, namely that it would stay in stereo config even with multichannel input. [edit: this is the issue reported by Reynaud above.] We made a code change in pre14 to handle that issue, which caused the new issue you are seeing, where the plugin stays in mono config with stereo input. We'll update the change on our side for pre15, but the developer may need to make a change on the plugin side as well.
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01-25-2018, 12:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
For take FX, the plugin may not receive the new channel information until the item plays. Does playing the item update the plugin channel config? I don't think anything has changed in this regard.
This developer contacted us a few days ago about a different issue with this plugin, namely that it would stay in stereo config even with multichannel input. [edit: this is the issue reported by Reynaud above.] We made a code change in pre14 to handle that issue, which caused the new issue you are seeing, where the plugin stays in mono config with stereo input. We'll update the change on our side for pre15, but the developer may need to make a change on the plugin side as well.
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I have just informed Michael from Exponential Audio. He is very quick to attend these issues. But what about the issue with iosono? It was never there before the Clang release...
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01-25-2018, 01:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
For take FX, the plugin may not receive the new channel information until the item plays. Does playing the item update the plugin channel config? I don't think anything has changed in this regard.
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No. Playing doesn't change anything. I never had this issue before Clang version.
Actually with respect to using exponential audio plugins or any multi-channel plugins as take fx...I think reaper should send 2 channels of audio into the plug-in if it's a Stereo item. If it's a mono item reaper should send only one channel to they plugin and the plug-in should understand it's a mono input but render the same output in 2 channels as reaper doesn't have a mono output in a track. If the item is 5.1 then reaper should send all 6 channels to the plug-in.
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01-25-2018, 01:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
For take FX, the plugin may not receive the new channel information until the item plays. Does playing the item update the plugin channel config? I don't think anything has changed in this regard.
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actually just checked now. The iosono issue has been there since 5.7, I just installed 5.6 and checked and iosono issue is not there. Did you change anything in 5.7?
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02-01-2018, 12:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vitalker
- # MIDI: always draw at least one lane of CC data in arrange view
- # MIDI: don't display combined CC lane in arrange view if the media item contains zero or one distinct type of CC data
- # MIDI: smoother combined CC data lane in peaks drawing
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The CC shadows in MIDI items are very prominent and opaque (particularly compared to CC shadows in the MIDI editor), almost giving the impression of a separate take or item, rather than something shadowy *inside* the take:
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