I got a question about pitch shifting vocals

sjs94704 · 05-17-2018, 08:50 AM

I was watching a Warren Hunt video on YT and he was demonstrating how to pitch shift vocals.

What he did was duplicate the Lead Vocal and then used a doubler and created a stereo track out of the mono vocal track.

He then duplicated that track for a total of 3 times in addition to the Lead vocal track. On each one he did a pitch shift of:
Left / Right
+3 -3
-6 +6
-9 +9

in order to thicken up the Lead Lead Vocal.

Is there a way to do the same in Reaper? I learn best by watching videos.
Can someone refer me to a video that shows how to do this in Reaper?

Thanks in advance for your help!

-Steven
Berkeley, CA USA

Stella645 · 05-17-2018, 09:06 AM

ReaPitch

https://www.reaper.fm/videos.php#a8LGYjTPRTg

Stella645 · 05-17-2018, 11:07 AM

No need....it wouldn't make any difference.

fixerdave · 05-18-2018, 02:38 AM

hello sjs94704

go here and download ADT https://www.kvraudio.com/product/adt_by_vacuumsound

it's a vst that emulates what the Beatles did with double tracking with tape recorders. you can adjust the wow, flutter ect to give a good double tracking effect.

great for vocals. dave

sjs94704 · 05-18-2018, 06:04 PM

Stella645 suggested this video by Kenny Goioia to watch. In it, it shows that the vocal was recorded in stereo vs mono. A long time ago, I was reading on this site as well as on YT that recording in mono when recording vocals is better that stereo. So, I have been doing that.

So, does this mean that there is a reason for either on depending on a given situation?

opinions?

Here is the link to the video:

https://www.reaper.fm/videos.php#a8LGYjTPRTg
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Judders · 05-18-2018, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjs94704

Stella645 suggested this video by Kenny Goioia to watch. In it, it shows that the vocal was recorded in stereo vs mono. A long time ago, I was reading on this site as well as on YT that recording in mono when recording vocals is better that stereo. So, I have been doing that.

So, does this mean that there is a reason for either on depending on a given situation?

opinions?

Here is the link to the video:

https://www.reaper.fm/videos.php#a8LGYjTPRTg
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That vocal wasn't recorded in stereo. It is a comp'd vocal, made up of a few (maybe 4) different mono vocal recordings and spread across the stereo field. That is exactly the effect that Warren Huart is faking with his pitch shifted and panned vocals.

Stella645 · 05-19-2018, 01:28 AM

Recording a mono vocal to a stereo track is no different to a mono recording.

The only way to make an actual stereo recording of a single voice would be to use 2 microphones and that isn't generally done for vocals.

As Judders says....the vocal you see/hear there is already a mix of a few vocals that have been rendered into a single stereo file.

Valle · 05-21-2018, 12:05 AM

Hmm ... I never found these “thickening the vocals” methods ever to be anything but sooo corny. I doesn’t sound right at all. And one can *tell*. It’s beyond me when pro’s give away such methods and proudly calling them “tips” ...

Using pitch shifters (and the likes) would be my last way out; when I’m running out of (human) resources and time. If I need to overdub/doubletrack (because that’s what it’s really about) I simply tell the singer to “sing it again, Sam!”. And if the original singer is not available, and for some reason I still need the “thicker” voice, I take in another singer to do it (even if the singers “sound” different voice wise, it’s still better than the “tip”). If that too is not an option, I try to track it myself. And if that also sucks ... I bring out the “tip”. But it’s going to sound as corny as in every Youtube video out there (at least the ones I’ve seen).

Sure, if one wants it to be an obvious effect, like say chorus, then great. I (used to) use chorus every now and then for “thickening”. But as a way to make trick the listener into believing that the singer has a thick and nice voice ... I wouldn’t.

sjs94704 · 05-21-2018, 02:27 AM

I get pre-recorded music to sing to. Each instrument is routed to a BUSS. If the song is in the wrong key for me 'as is', then I use the pitch VST to go up or down. I am doing the adjustments via semitones vs. octaves. I find that small adustment tend to produce BIG changes!