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Old 03-04-2021, 02:37 PM   #1
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Help! Reaper notation will not display this rhythm correctly!
I have been trying to get reaper to notate this tuplet correctly for hours and I cannot get Reaper to do it (the playback is fine)
I have tried different display quantizations but nothing seems to work.

Pic 1 is the rhythm I want displayed.
Pic 2 is how reaper is displaying it: With a missing 16th note.
Pic 3 is what happens when the last 16th note of the 2nd 1/4 note of the triplet is not tied over to the 3rd quarter note of the triplet.
As soon as I tie it over Reaper displays the triplet with a missing 16th.
I must be missing something somewhere because I can't imagine that Reaper can't do this properly.
Thank you for any advice.
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File Type: png Pic 2) How Reaper is displaying it..png (36.7 KB, 63 views)
File Type: png Pic 3) Triplet Rhythm no tie-missing 16th.png (40.2 KB, 63 views)

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Old 03-04-2021, 04:37 PM   #2
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hm I think this is how you really want to notate that rhythm

Unless you have a good reason, this is much simpler and easier to read.

I think notate this in reaper would be easy inputting it right...
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Old 03-05-2021, 11:16 AM   #3
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Thanks daniellumertz,

I'm afraid that when I try with 8th note triplets I still end up with a missing 16th.

Pic A) What reaper is displaying.
Pic B) what it looks like when the last note is dragged to 1 16th note triplet shorter.
Pic C) what it looks like when the last note is dragged to 1 16th note triplet longer.
When I'm dragging the note I have the grid set to 1/16 note triplets.

I tried to notate the rhythm on a different track and the result is the same.
I tried a different project, still the same result.

How are you inputting the notes and triplet?
What are your notation Display quantization settings?
Is there some setting or option that I don't have checked?
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File Type: png A) Still Wrong.png (27.8 KB, 47 views)
File Type: png B) 1 16th note triplet shorter.png (31.5 KB, 45 views)
File Type: png C) 1 16th note triplet longer.png (32.5 KB, 44 views)

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Old 03-05-2021, 11:39 AM   #4
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Hey Metrobot, so I haven't printed from reaper but from sibelius or musescore can't remember. I tried now the notation in reaper and this really seems not good. very little control on how to notate rythms, it kinda tells you how to notate.

Can I advise you another tool?
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=248475
I did it to use with musescore/sibelius and can be used with any other software that export MIDI.

I really don't advise spend much time with the notation part of reaper, although I very glad we have it. It is really not very good for some things. I think you should make a bug report adjusting the grid quantizing didn't help here although I inputed the right rhythm at the piano roll.

We should really have more control and independence from notation and piano roll.

If you wanna just input your rhythm right use the piano roll
You can use grid in any number you input there:
like 1/4 is 1 grid per quarter note
1/3 is 1 grid per 1 triplet half note
1/20 is 1 grid per 1 quintuple 16th note
1/24 is 1 grid per 1 triplet 16th note
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Old 03-05-2021, 11:47 AM   #5
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Thanks daniellumertz.
It's disappointing that the notation editor is so bad. I never expected it to be as detailed as full-fledged notation programs but I did expect it to be able to handle syncopations within a tuplet.
I really dislike using piano rolls because they are so cluttered and inefficient...they waste so much screen space. I'll give your recommendation a try and see how it goes...maybe I'll put this in a bug report
Thanks.
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Old 03-05-2021, 11:53 AM   #6
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yeah like, I haven't mess around notation very much to talk honestly, because it looks to me useful for somethings but because it is connected to the piano roll I have difficulty in changing things there. I think would be best to have some kind of separation between both, as piano roll try to show the exact time the midi is played whereas the score tries to show how to think about a rhythm. They are performing different tasks. And a option to turn off sync between them or to push syncs would be good.

I think this is not a REAPER problem only, I think all Daws that go in the field of score have similar problems and different solutions. This are a very interesting thing that still in development, so not blaming the devs here, is a problem the field of music softwares still are finding and researching solutions.
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