v6.12+dev0708 - July 8 2020

[schwa]

Originally Posted by RobinGShore

Writing metadata from the media explorer isn't working for me. I keep getting the following error

This happens with any file, in any folder?

[musicbynumbers]

Just tried snapping everything but grid using the Area selection.

Area selection doesn't snap to anything now apart from the grid?

In the last pre it at least snapped to everything (items/markers/regions) when the grid was active but now doesn't snap to anything.

That's a bug right?

For film and game work we use the "snapping to everything" that the time selection did all the time so hopefully that's coming over to area selection.

EDIT

Ah.. ok so it does snap to everything but only when adjusting the area selection edges after the area selection has already been put down/added to the arrange.

I can how having it only snap to grid is useful for music when the grid is active but could we have the option that if the grid is off, then it snaps to everything else?

Or maybe a mouse modifier option for snapping?

[RobinGShore]

Originally Posted by schwa

This happens with any file, in any folder?

Just tried with a few more files. It works with files on my internal system drive, but I get the error with any file on an external drive

[schwa]

Originally Posted by RobinGShore

Just tried with a few more files. It works with files on my internal system drive, but I get the error with any file on an external drive

Ok, fixing, thanks!

[NextLevel]

Devs,

Are these Media Explorer issues going to be addressed?
https://forum.cockos.com/showpost.ph...6&postcount=78

I hope I'm not comming off as pushy, but man this has seriously f'ed up my
workflow.

I work for many hours at a time in REAPER and that font size leaves my
eyes blurry at the end of the day.

Bypassing the recycle bin using shift-delete is a must too, I don't
use the bin at all, in fact it took me a little while to remember how
to make it visible again, because I usually have it hidden.

#3 in that list is very useful too because I could open any file that
has an associated app such as .txt or .pdf without having to open a
separate explorer window.

#4 I used all the time as well.

Another thing that I just discovered which is a huge bummer.

In the Media Explorer I just use "shortcuts" to folders.., not
databases.., anyway I use the LiveRecord option all the time and in
the Windows Media Explorer the file would appear as soon as recording
stopped. With REAPERs Media Explorer you have to back-out of the folder
and then return to that folder in order for it to refresh..., unless
using databases.., and even then you have to run an action for it to
refresh.

Oh.., one more thing I miss is the ability to arrange files by date
modified. There is a by date option, but I'm getting weird results
when compared with Windows ME.., with Windows files and folders would
be arranged separately, but with REAPERs ME they get mixed.

Could you please let me know if these things are going to be
addressed? If they're not, I beg of you, please bring back the Windows
option.

Thank you

[srdmusic]

I suffer from a major case of dyslexia and my eyes are very sensitive to color.

Both disabilities makes reading text very difficult. Icons, dark mode and other accessibility features in Windows help people like me navigate files.

Here is a list of accessibility features needed in Media Explorer if we are no longer going to have access to the Windows Explorer in reaper.

1) In the Windows Explorer the users can create custom icons for default folders as well as individual folder as show in the images below.

2) The font size and icon size are smaller in the Media Explorer version.

3) File extensions can be hidden in the Windows explorer. For example shortcuts show up as .lnk and track templates show up as .tracktemplate in Media Explorer. This additional text makes sorting through files harder.

For the sake of others with visual impairments as well as those who suffer from Dyslexia please bring the Explorer back to Reaper. If that's not possible, please help us with the above needs.


Reaper Media Explorer

[YuriOl]

Originally Posted by NextLevel

Devs,

Are these Media Explorer issues going to be addressed?
https://forum.cockos.com/showpost.ph...6&postcount=78

+1 please.

[Ericson]

Originally Posted by srdmusic

3) File extensions can be hidden in the Windows explorer. For example shortcuts show up as .lnk and track templates show up as .tracktemplate in Media Explorer. This additional text makes sorting through files harder.

This one is added 2 builds ago, just right mouse click on the ME pane> options> show file extensions... and untick it.
But unfortunately it does not hide other extensions like from Kontakt (.nicnt).

[Win Conway]

Originally Posted by Phazma

What does this do? Is this theme-dependent? Can't see any change in my Reaper.

Btw I have seen in the recent pres that its is possible to display (and I suppose open and add) insert FX to the TCP. This would be very cool as that way it might be possible for me to work without mixer. But I can not see how to do that. Does it have to do with Fx parameters? I don't use them so I don't know how they work exactly. I know that I can add a single parameter from an FX via the "Param" button but I don't find any option to add the whole insert to be accessible via TCP.

That fix as for empty FX slots on the MCP and TCP, it was showing a ghosted knobstack, when there shouldn't have been one at all, its all fixed.

To get the FX showing in TCP (Will depend how your thee designer did the layout for FX parameters, but you DO NOT NEED to show FX parameters, you can just go to the top options menu in Reaper and enable show FX in TCP when size permits.
I don't use FX parameters, but this new set up has already allowed me to stop having to bring up the mixer view, which on my 1366x768 tiny notebook is a serious serious workflow boost.
It could do some with some visual tweaks, and a show track envelope menu, but this is another one of those features that puts Reaper on a whole new level again, I'm determined to switch away from Abelton and Maschine for sound design, and this is one big step towards helping that.

[Wanekk]

Please help. Is it not for producing music?

[Win Conway]

TCP name seems to have developed a small glitch? (A small blue line)

[mim]

Originally Posted by RobinGShore

Anyways if that's a design choice, it feels like a really poor one to me. I use lots and lots of automation envelopes, so I keep most of them hidden, otherwise the screen gets cluttered. I need to be able to have the envelopes follow my edits, and I don't want to have to toggle visibilty on and off everytime I make an edit.

+1

It is very bad design idea, indeed, please reconsider.

I have 60+ automations on every track of every movie project I work on, it means I can't use AS in any of my day to day work .... very ...meeeh

OF COURSE AS should move the hidden envelope when "envelopes move with item is ON" or create a new option "Hidden Enveloppes follows Area Selection".

[deeb]

Originally Posted by mim

+1

It is very bad design idea, indeed, please reconsider.

I have 60+ automations on every track of every movie project I work on, it means I can't use AS in any of my day to day work .... very ...meeeh

OF COURSE AS should move the hidden envelope when "envelopes move with item is ON" or create a new option "Hidden Enveloppes follows Area Selection".

Actually is very good design. For your purpose You can use item selection still. Area selection has a purpose just like item selection. In AS: What you select is what you get.

[EvilDragon]

Actually I agree with majority here - if other DAWs with area selection also move hidden envelopes when doing AS, so should Reaper. Without requiring any options being enabled. There should be a mouse modifier to copy selections without hidden envelopes, that's all.

[deeb]

Originally Posted by EvilDragon

Actually I agree with majority here - if other DAWs with area selection also move hidden envelopes when doing AS, so should Reaper. Without requiring any options being enabled. There should be a mouse modifier to copy selections without hidden envelopes, that's all.

Which daws do that? Ofcourse there might be an exception/option to carry Hiden envelopes but never has default imo.
For that to work you would have to select all envelopes saying to reaper : well reaper I want all envelopes so that reaper know you would want the hidden ones too, but then how about if you just want the visible ones ? How about if I want 1 of the envelopes out of 3 visible ones plus the hidden ones? This would make a spaghetti tool with if then else without a clear and streight forward purpose.

Each selection mode has a purpose/ benefit and in conjunction they complement the selection system.

[musicbynumbers]

I think AI should be copied with item if the toolbar right click option is on and maybe that should be defaulted to on for new users?

There are types of projects where both are the default behaviour for people which is why it shouldn't be just on a mouse modifier but also as a discreet option that turns it fully on or off.

[Archie]

Is it possible to add a checkbox to exclude folders from the search and Vice versa?

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[musicbynumbers]

Archie.

I think there is a folder option in the sub menu called "search" when you right click on an empty area of media explorer.

Not sure if it gets you completely what you want but it does exclude folders from search if it's off.

[vitalker]

Originally Posted by EvilDragon

Actually I agree with majority here - if other DAWs with area selection also move hidden envelopes when doing AS, so should Reaper. Without requiring any options being enabled. There should be a mouse modifier to copy selections without hidden envelopes, that's all.

What if you forgot about some envelopes and they're still hidden? Now you play your project and hear something unexpected. WYSIWYG is better, at least make this copy for hidden items optional. Maybe some message would be helpful like "You pasted 4 hidden items and 10 envelopes".

[Joe90]

Originally Posted by deeb

Which daws do that?

Cubendo and Studio one (IIRC). Haven't dug in deep to any of the others for a while, so I couldn't comment on them, but I'd be surprised if they don't also work the same way.

Originally Posted by deeb

how about if you just want the visible ones ?

This is why having A.S respect the 'envelope points move with media items' setting would be the best of both worlds IMO.

Originally Posted by deeb

How about if I want 1 of the envelopes out of 3 visible ones plus the hidden ones? .

Use 'show all active envelopes for selected tracks' and area select the ones you need. Which is exactly what we'd have to with current implementation anyway, no?

[Archie]

Originally Posted by musicbynumbers

Archie.

I think there is a folder option in the sub menu called "search" when you right click on an empty area of media explorer.

Not sure if it gets you completely what you want but it does exclude folders from search if it's off.

Thank. I did not notice.
Yes - this does exclude folders from the search, but it does not allow you to do it the other way around, i.e. exclude files. Although it's probably not necessary.

[musicbynumbers]

Maybe eventually automation items need to have lock icons like we can have for normal items and then for moving them to follow the lockable toolbar and it's various options?

That way we can set up which ai are moveable or locked regardless of if they are hidden or what automation options are active?

[DarkStar]

Originally Posted by vitalker

[*]# MCP extended mixer: When grouping FX parameters, use separate list

How do I do that? And what is an "extended" mixer - the Sidebar?

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Edit: found it - in the Master MCP context menu. And "extended" just means displaying the the FX params in the MCP.

[puddi]

Originally Posted by deeb

Actually is very good design. For your purpose You can use item selection still. Area selection has a purpose just like item selection. In AS: What you select is what you get.

I disagree. To my brain WYSIWYG actually includes hidden envelopes, meaning if I select a portion of a track and copy it I expect it to sound identical when I paste it (without having to open up each envelope lane). For me the envelopes are an essential part of the item I'm copying.

If I don't want that and only want to copy a few specific envelopes there's always the toggle option for not moving envelopes with media items. Best of both worlds.

Originally Posted by deeb

Which daws do that?

Ableton, Bitwig, Studio One. Can't speak for other DAW's.

[schwa]

Originally Posted by NextLevel

Bypassing the recycle bin using shift-delete

coming

Originally Posted by NextLevel

open any file that has an associated app such as .txt or .pdf

already done (Options > Default action > Try to open non-media files)

Originally Posted by NextLevel

the file would appear as soon as recording
stopped

thinking about it

Originally Posted by NextLevel

files and folders would be arranged separately

coming

[akademie]

^^^^^ yup
nice schwa, thanks

[Dimson]

Originally Posted by puddi

I disagree. To my brain WYSIWYG actually includes hidden envelopes, meaning if I select a portion of a track and copy it I expect it to sound identical when I paste it (without having to open up each envelope lane). For me the envelopes are an essential part of the item I'm copying.

If I don't want that and only want to copy a few specific envelopes there's always the toggle option for not moving envelopes with media items. Best of both worlds.

For me, too, this behavior when copying items would be preferable. Or add the option to include this behavior optionally.

[vitalker]

What about these?
1. You see, which file you hover over like in Mixer.
2. Checking multiple files.



Navigating faster without extra clicks would be welcomed.

[Vagalume]

Originally Posted by heda

in the real world where you use the software to produce, my estimate is that 99% of the times you copy items or an area, you WANT to copy the envelopes too. because you want to copy the sound of the area, not the items only. If you have 20 envelopes I want to copy them without having them visible because it would be more difficult to select the area across multiple tracks with many envelopes visible too.

I would say the 99,99999999%

[Archie]

Look at this. https://forum.cockos.com/showpost.ph...40&postcount=8

[Mercado_Negro]

If "Move envelope points with media items" is enabled I would expect envelopes would follow items when copying/moving even when envelope lanes are hidden. Otherwise, no.

[Mercado_Negro]

I just had a first look to the improvements to plug-in parameters in MCP/TCP and I would suggest having a little arrow to the left or right of the plugin name to show/hide the parameters. Doing it with actions or via menus defeats the purpose of the feature IMO. This is something you would use for a brief moment just to tweak something and then hide it again. Having a button/arrow/whatever to collapse that would make it more useful.

[mccrabney]

Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro

If "Move envelope points with media items" is enabled I would expect envelopes would follow items when copying/moving even when envelope lanes are hidden. Otherwise, no.

that damned toggle action...this issue is why modifiers/options for "select items under lasso," "select AI under lasso, and "select AI and items under lasso" were recommended a few months back, before AS was implemented in beta

keeping track of any toggle action's status before performing basic selection functions is a real PITA. my left hand really just wants to do it with a mouse modifier so that my frontal lobe doesn't have to designate and track a global variable for "env points move with items"

edit--

i land on +1 for hidden envelopes to be copied with AS, as puddi says, WYSIWYG should only be supplanted by WY(hear)IWYG. BUT, changing to this suggested behavior will make us lose the helpful behavior of being able to use AS to manipulate items only, by means of hiding envelopes

so, back to the suggestion for a modifier to leave AI unchanged by AS manipulation.

[nappies]

Definitely envelopes must copy inside AS visible or not. Sometimes I have a 7-10 envelopes hidden but working. And to copy or duplicate will be really hard.

[vitalker]

Originally Posted by nappies

Definitely envelopes must copy inside AS visible or not. Sometimes I have a 7-10 envelopes hidden but working. And to copy or duplicate will be really hard.

What if you don't want it to copy? How do you know what is copied and what is not?

Originally Posted by vitalker

What if you forgot about some envelopes and they're still hidden? Now you play your project and hear something unexpected. WYSIWYG is better, at least make this copy for hidden items optional. Maybe some message would be helpful like "You pasted 4 hidden items and 10 envelopes".

[musicbynumbers]

Hi Schwa.

I've made a separate thread linked below regarding my findings from trying out the new ability to record with folder structures as didn't want to paste massive images here etc to show what was going on and also to keep it in one place.

https://forum.cockos.com/showthread....77#post2316477

[EvilDragon]

Originally Posted by mccrabney

WY(hear)IWYG

This!

[nappies]

Originally Posted by vitalker

What if you don't want it to copy? How do you know what is copied and what is not?

Usually you know that you wrote this piece of arrange. And this is a whole piece of sound design. And you want to copy everything that you have already written. The same as copying midi items without midi cc if you do not see them.
If I dont need some envelopes, better way for me just delete it after.
Instead of to make everything visible and highlight huge fields with envelopes before.

[Mercado_Negro]

Sometimes you don't want to copy the envelopes, it's simple. Having that option to move envelopes with items is the solution and we have it already.

[musicbynumbers]

Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro

Sometimes you don't want to copy the envelopes, it's simple. Having that option to move envelopes with items is the solution and we have it already.

Indeed. If automation items followed the envelope option (when you right click the toolbar button and choose "move envelopes with items") then it should be for both AI and normal automation.

I've got projects that need both of these for different parts of them so being able to toggle it on or off makes the most sense as people who want one or the other can simply leave it there till they find they need the other way temporarily.