3.141pre2

[musicbynumbers]

v3.141pre2 - November 10 2009
+ AIFF: fixed recording and rendering to AIFF on x64
+ Armed toolbar actions: can be run by clicking anywhere in the arrange view (not just on a media item)
+ Custom menu: fixed Actions menu occasionally declining to be customized
+ MIDI editor: avoid skipping over CC data when drawing edits quickly
+ MIDI editor: actions to explicitly mute and unmute notes (in addition to existing toggle)
+ MIDI editor: middle button hand-scroll
+ Video: added support for video files that contain no video track

v3.141pre1 - November 9 2009
+ Batch converter: added right-click context menu, modeless configuration
+ Image loading: theme images optimized for faster load (startup) time
+ Installer: reduced installer size on all platforms
+ Preferences: added new Envelopes tab, option for how to handle volume/pan trim when adding envelopes
+ ReWire: per-instance options to control whether slaves can change tempo, loop region
+ Toolbar: merged toolbar and menu customize interfaces, no limit on custom toolbar buttons
+ Toolbar: added 72 more custom toolbar images to the installer
+ Video: better audio sync on OSX

[rob.manderson]

v3.141pre2 - November 10 2009
+ AIFF: fixed recording and rendering to AIFF on x64
+ Armed toolbar actions: can be run by clicking anywhere in the arrange view (not just on a media item)
+ Custom menu: fixed Actions menu occasionally declining to be customized
+ MIDI editor: avoid skipping over CC data when drawing edits quickly
+ MIDI editor: actions to explicitly mute and unmute notes (in addition to existing toggle)
+ MIDI editor: middle button hand-scroll
+ Video: added support for video files that contain no video track

v3.141pre1 - November 9 2009
+ Batch converter: added right-click context menu, modeless configuration
+ Image loading: theme images optimized for faster load (startup) time
+ Installer: reduced installer size on all platforms
+ Preferences: added new Envelopes tab, option for how to handle volume/pan trim when adding envelopes
+ ReWire: per-instance options to control whether slaves can change tempo, loop region
+ Toolbar: merged toolbar and menu customize interfaces, no limit on custom toolbar buttons
+ Toolbar: added 72 more custom toolbar images to the installer
+ Video: better audio sync on OSX

[rob.manderson]

Beat me by 30 seconds!

[BenK-msx]

ooooh got to love the toolbar love/armed toolbar too. very neat. oh and midi editor hand-scroll...
wow

[nofish]

Originally Posted by musicbynumbers

+ MIDI editor: actions to explicitly mute and unmute notes (in addition to existing toggle)

Asked for this just two days ago in the FR forum. Coincidence ? Don't think so. You guys are f*cking amazing ! Thanks a lot, will get good use here. And for all the other updates also, of course.

[Mercado_Negro]

Originally Posted by nofish

Asked for this just two days ago in the FR forum. Coincidence ? Don't think so. You guys are f*cking amazing ! Thanks a lot, will get good use here. And for all the other updates also, of course.

yeah, that's what they do: listen and act, right Reflected a.k.a. MIDI hand-scroll?

[Reflected]

hand style for midi
toolbar improvement

Yeah!
Thank you for listening!

highly appreciated!

[musicbynumbers]

LOL! it's not easy to "out draw" Rob!

This is just a fantastic bunch of goodies!

It makes me emotional to see such great work here!

custom toolbar, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DEVS the only thing we need now is a few (say 4 or 5) detachable, always on top, re-sizable custom toolbars to be able to customise and place anywhere. That would make reaper the ultimate power user DAW!

and sws.. Amazing dude! sneaked in those "S&M" actions!

two things would love, could we have an action to have the cue track created post fader as well as pre and would you be able to create a "toggle all selected tracks fx offline/online? that would be so lovely!

[Mercado_Negro]

Ok, I think we got something going on here

Right now, the more icons you add the smaller they get: hard to read and work with. Believe me, I've been thinking about this since yesterday a lot and haven't been able to find a good and nice solution without changing dramatically Reaper's UI. Detachable toolbar? Ok, what's gonna be placed there in that empty space while the toolbar is floating? or better, let's say I want to detach it and keep it like that forever and ever to resize it and make it larger (horizontally) to place it below the menus, do I have to live with that empty space there? I wouldn't like to. And more, if I place it below the menus, probably I'll block my markers/regions. Oh man, I need like 30 icons more there we need a solution eventually.

[BenK-msx]

re the toolbar -
I reckon just keep the original in place and/or act as 'part one' of a split toolbar... with part 2 the resizable detached bit.


the detached toolbar can go anywhere (for me 2nd monitor probably) yet you have other buttons of choice in the original position too.

if the space was empty as mercado is concerned about, then info could go there - clock, extension windows etc. all kinds of goodies - a mini docker of sorts. but i'd prefer it to always be toolbar buttons, but with option for a detachable 'extra toolbar buttons' bit.

just a thought.

[musicbynumbers]

Think bigger mercado!

"multiple" toolbars! lol

then you can keep the top left corner one for arrange page stuff and have another on your second screen (where the mixer might be) for mixer functions or if you have a special screenset for fullsize midi you can have a third toolbar used for just this screenset with just midi tools on it

personally, I have 3 smallish touch screens (soon to be 5) so I would love to have one screen with just toolbars on it next to my pen pad so I can use it like a mini euphonics mc5 screen!

I'm still hoping for presets on it at some point too!

why stop at amazing when you can go so far that you have to invent a new word to express how cool it is!

[BenK-msx]

@mbn.. SNAP!

[musicbynumbers]

maybe it's a uk thing!

hi 5! lol

[Mercado_Negro]

Originally Posted by BenK-msx

re the toolbar -
I reckon just keep the original in place and/or act as 'part one' of a split toolbar... with part 2 the resizable detached bit.


the detached toolbar can go anywhere (for me 2nd monitor probably) yet you have other chosen buttons in the old position too.

if the space was empty as mercado is concerned about, then info could go there - clock, extension windows etc. all kinds of goodies - a mini docker of sorts. but i'd prefer it to always be toolbar buttons, but with option for a detachable 'extra toolbar buttons' bit.

just a thought.

Great! A toolbar clone or sort of. We could keep the 'fixed' toolbar with default icons and create a floating one with our custom icons... but the problem is, where will I put it? Don't you think it could be docked and placed right below/above the Transport if this is docked? of course, if your Transport is not docked Reaper just simply will place it at the top of the docker good or bad?

[BenK-msx]

most useful place? hmmm v. personal that, anywhere!

however perhaps an ability to 'snap' toolbar (and remember wheres its snapped) to any edge of existing windows/components be they the docker, transport mixer, midi editor or fx chain.
vertical or horizontal..

MBN - indeed our best thinking comes late at night

[zappsunzorn]

Some of the toolbar icons are in the toolbar selector box more than once.

The group - +

Nob up down

Reaper icon goes north east

Razor blade or peaks icon

up down triangles

left right triangles

[Mercado_Negro]

Originally Posted by zappsunzorn

Some of the toolbar icons are in the toolbar selector box more than once.

The group - +

Nob up down

Reaper icon goes north east

Razor blade or peaks icon

up down triangles

left right triangles

This is probably because you have those icons both in REAPER/data/toolbar_icons and in the theme folder.

[semiquaver]

hoping there'll be a 3.1415 ...

[zappsunzorn]

Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro

This is probably because you have those icons both in REAPER/data/toolbar_icons and in the theme folder.

You are correct, thanks!

[dub3000]

Originally Posted by musicbynumbers

+ MIDI editor: middle button hand-scroll

hell YES

[Kainer]

Great work, thanx for the midi-cc-data-skipping bugfix.

Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro

Oh man, I need like 30 icons more there.

+1

[NAS]

Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro

yeah, that's what they do: listen and act, right Reflected a.k.a. MIDI hand-scroll?

Yeah they nailed my right click toolbar issues for my new drum macros
Buuuuuuuut
*Cough* unlimited *Cough* toolbar buttons
I dont think it is fair to say unlimited when you can add like two extra buttons before they become unreadable or take over the track area

The toolbar should not be linked to the TCP it is that simple
Example



Readable but look at the size of the TCP



Unreadable normal size TCP



My suggestion very readable no tcp messing (Lets see if they listen here Merc

NAS

[zappsunzorn]

Originally Posted by NAS

I dont think it is fair to say unlimited when you can add like two extra buttons before they become unreadable or take over the track area

I thought the limit was the number of icons Reaper could make available to the user at the same time(24?)for selection, not necessarily use at the same time.

[SiKo]

Originally Posted by musicbynumbers

v3.141pre2 - November 10 2009
+ MIDI editor: avoid skipping over CC data when drawing edits quickly

v3.141pre1 - November 9 2009
+ Installer: reduced installer size on all platforms
+ Preferences: added new Envelopes tab, option for how to handle volume/pan trim when adding envelopes
+ ReWire: per-instance options to control whether slaves can change tempo, loop region

You guys are killers! Thank you very much, especially the ReWire options!

[Kainer]

Originally Posted by NAS

Yeah they nailed my right click toolbar issues for my new drum macros
Buuuuuuuut
*Cough* unlimited *Cough* toolbar buttons
I dont think it is fair to say unlimited when you can add like two extra buttons before they become unreadable or take over the track area

The toolbar should not be linked to the TCP it is that simple
Example



Readable but look at the size of the TCP



Unreadable normal size TCP



My suggestion very readable no tcp messing (Lets see if they listen here Merc

NAS

The last screenshot is one of the best ideas I´ve seen in the last time here.

I would love to see it that way. Buttons in a row above all and the infopanel (which is at the bottom of the tcp at the moment) on top of the tcp.
Please Cockos. Think about this freely movable costumized buttons. I would prefer them the way NAS builded it in his picture.

[NAS]

Originally Posted by NAS

Yeah they nailed my right click toolbar issues for my new drum macros

NAS

Whoops jumped the gun on this
Paste still doesn't work properly as part of right click toolbar macros DOH

NAS

[Kainer]

Why? Caused by the first step: copy item?


I thought about this yesterday. Paste items like in FLS for example. Click click click, -> got three same items on the track. (without using the pen-tool). But first you have to copy one item to get it in the buffer/cache.

Hoped to get it managed today... but if you tried it already.. ->waiting along.

[NAS]

I got it working if i have the final step of the macro(Paste) on a seperate button and use that for the right click
But if i have the macro all on one button it doesn't (It only pastes on the original track where as the two buttons pastes anywhere)

Would be good if i could get it to just one button
I'll try and get the macro to schwa on the irc when he is around
See what he thinks

NAS

[nicholas]

Just thinking out loud here really ... now that custom menus and custom toolbars share the same interface, is it going to be possible to save/export/recall/import toolbar layouts like we can menus?

[EvilDragon]

Originally Posted by nicholas

Just thinking out loud here really ... now that custom menus and custom toolbars share the same interface, is it going to be possible to save/export/recall/import toolbar layouts like we can menus?

I would agree on that one, +1!

Originally Posted by NAS

Yes, yes, YES!!! This is the way it should be done! Please Cockos!

[Kainer]

Originally Posted by NAS

I got it working if i have the final step of the macro(Paste) on a seperate button and use that for the right click
But if i have the macro all on one button it doesn't (It only pastes on the original track where as the two buttons pastes anywhere)

Would be good if i could get it to just one button
I'll try and get the macro to schwa on the irc when he is around
See what he thinks

NAS

One more:

Do you got it working like: move the mouse and press a key -> item gets pasted on mousepointer-spot? Would be acceptable for me (as I have one hand on my keyboard most of the time), but should definitly work on all tracks, yes.

[bullshark]

+ Preferences: added new Envelopes tab, option for how to handle volume/pan trim when adding envelopes

Best of both world, thank you.

[EvilDragon]

Originally Posted by musicbynumbers

+ Toolbar: merged toolbar and menu customize interfaces, no limit on custom toolbar buttons

Guys, please check this: hover the cursor over the scrollbar in the icon selection window. I get glitchy graphics - it's like the normal (windows-themed) scrollbar is in a short flash exchanged with the themed cursor. In fact, when I first open the Icon selection window, the themed scrollbar is not there, but the Windows one is!



Similar to the first image in THIS ISSUE: http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=1359

(which is not yet fixed!)



Also, look at this:

[musicbynumbers]

To make batch converter complete. What about incorporating the media explorers play section at the bottom of the batch converter so you can select a sample within the batch converter and then audition and loop (and even seek) it.

This way we could audition the fx that are going to be placed on each of the batch files.

Good be hard to do i know, but would be great! (not that this small update is not already flipping amazing)

[EvilDragon]

Also, I'd like an option, in the newly added Envelopes tab in Preferences:

"Automatically select points when inputting automation in pencil draw mode"


This gets on my nerves - whenever I draw automation while holding Ctrl, all the points I draw automatically get selected. I don't want that, because then when I click on a single point and try to adjust it, the whole envelope gets moved.

Another way of doing it would be: when clicking on SINGLE point after drawing automation, DESELECT ALL DRAWN POINTS and select the SINGLE point that has been clicked on, to make it accessible for editing.

[nigel73]

On the subject of the toolbar, how about organizing them into tabs, relevant to there use. A good example is in a 3d program called Maya. not sure if its ok to put a link here! each tab is also scrollable so it doesn't take up to much screen space.

[whatsup]

Originally Posted by musicbynumbers

+ MIDI editor: avoid skipping over CC data when drawing edits quickly

this also was Reflected wish (maybe he forgot, but he asked me of that)
and now it's done, very well.

please Cockos, another Reflected wish was to move the cursor in the MIDI Editor only when pressing the time line,
so please give as this option.

thanks for everything, you're great.

[whatsup]

Originally Posted by NAS

My suggestion very readable no tcp messing (Lets see if they listen here Merc

NAS

very nice, good looking idea, it also let more space for the information area.

EDIT: and when resizing main window, they can also resize, something like that:



(let see if they listen to that )

[Reflected]

Originally Posted by whatsup

very nice, good looking idea, it also let more space for the information area.

EDIT: and when resizing main window, they can also resize, something like that:



(let see if they listen to that )

I would like to have floating toolrbars and snap them to each other and ability to dock them to wherever I want around the arrange/midi/mixer or any main view...
like in all the graphic programs and many audio programs as well.

'snap to edge'
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=45942

[joe2]

MIDI editor interface: scrolling inconsistencies

(1) new hand-style scrolling is great, but it's one-dimensional, i.e. left-right. I'd love if it could be configured to go up-down as well, e.g. 4 options "only left-right", "only up-down", "both", "neither".

(2) when zoomed out all the way, hand scrolling doesn't do anything. This is basically fine with me. However, Alt-mousewheel *will* scroll the window left-right. This feels inconsistent. Why should I be able to scroll the active item area out of ME view with one action, and not another?

Many thanks.