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Ever since I upgraded my laptop (a modest ASUS X401U, FTR) to Win 10 last year it's been nigh unusable. It spends all its time updating itself and rebooting when I'm not looking even if I have stuff open and just close the lid to put it to sleep. Next morning I'm logged out again and upon logging in Windows informs me that it has restarted after having installed updates. The hdd is grinding almost constantly, like it's... I dunno? Very busy doing SOMETHING. I have opted out of all things optional and disabled all the telemetry stuff with Spybot Anti-Beacon. Yet it keeps doing shit that I haven't greenlighted and it feels like this isn't my computer anymore, it's part of some kind of Microsoft botnet. I wasn't crazy about Win 8 but at least it worked on that particular machine.

Funnily... just for the sake of experimentation I upgraded my daughters Win 7 Home computer to Win 10 as well a few months ago and this is a completely different story. I have not noticed the intrusive updating/rebooting thing on that machine at all. Nor the constant grinding of hard drives. TBH her almost decade-old dual core Dell machine flies with Win 10 on it. It's really, really snappy and has worked problem free ever since the upgrade.

This makes me wonder if the ASUS lappy is simply a very poor hardware fit for Windows 10. Maybe the W10 ASUS drivers are shit or something like that? Even if the ASUS is a budget lappy, I honestly thought it would outperform a 2007 stationary machine with an OS that is allegedly resource frugal (though maybe not by a great margin).

My DAW still has Win 7 on it. It's tempting to give Win 10 a shot given how great it works on the kid's computer. But clearly there's no guarantee it will perform well at all.
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Worries me when I read things like this, knowing we'll all be forced to update to W10 at some point.

I can't imagine the updating/rebooting thing having anything to do with the drivers. That's actually the main reason I haven't updated to W10; I hate automatic updates. I've never had them turned on in Windows 7 but in W10 you can't turn them off apparently.

I hate the idea that my work would be interrupted and I'd have to reboot my computer. Even the thought that I'd be recording a track in Reaper in a project with a lot of plugins pushing the CPU near its limits then a Windows update will kick in and cause a glitch in the recording.

You'd think there would be a way to schedule updated to only happen during a certain time window so they could be done while you're asleep for example.
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You'd think there would be a way to schedule updated to only happen during a certain time window so they could be done while you're asleep for example.
You can.

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FWIW, I have an ASUS tower and two Dell lappies, and Windows 10 is basically destroying all three of them. Constant updates, restarts, hard-drive grinding, "System and Compressed Memory" taking 40-60% of disc resources. Horrible, horrible, P.O.S. operating system, with zero support from Microcrap. Like you I've opted out of everything one possibly can. No difference. I am so sorry I "upgraded."

My studio runs on a heavily tweaked Windows 8.1 system. No issues.
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Is it not the case that it will download and install the updates whenever it likes but only do a reboot when scheduled?
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I can't imagine the updating/rebooting thing having anything to do with the drivers.
Me neither really but clearly there must be some kind of hardware issue at play here, since this happens on one machine but not the other, with the exact same Win 10 version. Maybe the ASUS hdd controller drivers are buggy causing the constant updating etc to be more intrusive on the laptop? Like I said... I dunno.

But yeah, the whole idea about relenting control of your machine to the OS and the whims of the company behind it is worrying.
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I just have to offer this, and I know I'm gonna clubbed over the head for it, but.......never stopped me before.

In my day job, I work at Microsoft. (We refer to it as "The Velvet Sweatshop") I'm a developer and Project Manager there, and have been around the company since about 1996.

Since I work there, I am around a lot of people who are pretty smart, and here's the deal: everyone at MSFT knows that upgrades are a terrible experience. You can bash MSFT all you want to, but the fact of the matter is that they just cannot possibly account for every driver and every conceivable combination of hardware/software.

So, when a new OS comes out, everyone I have ever worked with has an "FnR Party" - Flatten 'n' Reinstall. Ground up. And, depending on how much data you have, this can take awhile- and yes, we all reinstall all our software, too.

And, that's what I do. I am running Windows 10 x64 in my studio along with a Focusrite Sapphire Pro 40, an M-Audio Profire 2626, a Behringer BCF2000 and a Frontier Design Tranzport along with Reaper x64 and a metric crapton of plugins, and it is solid as a rock. No issues at all. It takes me about a day to re-install when a new OS comes out, but the stability I get from it is totally worth it.

My advice: don't upgrade. Reinstall.
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Yes, my suggestion would also be to format the laptop and install W10 from scratch. It's official recommendation from several people from MS I've talked to.
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Good advice but I don't even remember that being an option for an OEM upgrade.

And I still don't understand why an upgrade would work fine on one machine but not the other.
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Old 03-11-2016, 06:43 PM   #11
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Once I upgraded from Win7 to W10 and had no issue whatsoever.

But on my current comp, I upgraded from Win8.1 (installed from disk) to Win10 and the upgrade had several bugs, the most ridiculous one being my home directory has been renamed from nicolas to nicol_000, and no way to change that, so I have to live with it forever. This might have been due to the fact that my Win8.1 probably wasn't completely up to date. So before upgrading, make sure your Windows is completely up to date. This can involve actually triggering windows update several times in a row, until it says that there is no more update to make.

In both cases I had to manually deactivate all the crap that Microsoft activated by default on Win10 in order to get decent latencies, and change some settings so that my USB drive runs at full speed instead of crippled speed.

And yes, my PC updates all the time (thx for the tips to deactivate that too). I know an update happened as it fucks up the sound every single time.
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Old 03-11-2016, 06:44 PM   #12
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...It's tempting to give Win 10 a shot given how great it works on the kid's computer. But clearly there's no guarantee it will perform well at all.
Have you considered imaging your system drive and then do the upgrade to 10... if it doesn't perform as you expect after a month or so, you could always bring yourself back to w7.

For what its worth, I upgraded from w8.1 to w10 without a hitch on my nearly 9 year old PC... no fresh install but I did update all my drivers before I tried to run any apps.
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the most ridiculous one being my home directory has been renamed from nicolas to nicol_000, and no way to change that, so I have to live with it forever.
Legally changed your name to that :P
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Ever since windows 95 there is a pattern on releases of windows versions, every other one is crap.

Windows 95 acceptable

Windows 98 crap

Windows XP acceptable

Windows Vista crap

Windows 7. Acceptable

Windows 8. Crap

Windows 8.1. Acceptable

Windows 10 Crap
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I have win 10 on my lenovo laptop with i5-4120u and only 4 gigs of ram, but it performs fine, although I wander by how much better win 7 would perform.
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It spends all its time updating itself and rebooting when I'm not looking even if I have stuff open and just close the lid to put it to sleep. Next morning I'm logged out again and upon logging in Windows informs me that it has restarted after having installed updates.
Turn off automatic update.
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Disable Automatically-Applied Updates.

http://windows.wonderhowto.com/how-t...ws-10-0163552/
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The hdd is grinding almost constantly, like it's... I dunno?
Turn off Superfetch in services(stop and set manual).

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I have win 10 on my lenovo laptop with i5-4120u and only 4 gigs of ram, but it performs fine, although I wander by how much better win 7 would perform.
It won't outperform W10.. The improvements at the core of the OS are significant
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Upgraded from Win7 to Win10 when ti became available for my laptop and it's running better than ever.
It 'feels' faster/snappier <--- not very scientific.

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Ever since windows 95 there is a pattern on releases of windows versions, every other one is crap.

Windows 95 acceptable

Windows 98 crap

Windows XP acceptable

Windows Vista crap

Windows 7. Acceptable

Windows 8. Crap

Windows 8.1. Acceptable

Windows 10 Crap
And end of the list, as Microsoft claims that there will not be a next big version

( ---> Linux ?!?!? Seemingly the application providers don't listen )

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So where does this list originate? ABC News or the Enquirer?
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:38 AM   #21
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The update routine actually recommends doing a full backup of your current installation. It also offers you the choice of doing an update or a clean install.
But of course we never actually notice these things in the heat of the moment.

Within my immediate family I had three laptops, one on win7 and 2 on win 8.1 all on Home Premium 64bit.
All three I did an update with no issues at all, apart from Mrs. decided she didnt have the time or the energy to learn a new OS and could I put her back on win7 please.
Daughter and I are quite happy with win10 on our laptops, even with the automatic updates.
Nothingf has broken so far and the actual updates seem to happen with little if any effect on performance apart from the "dont switch off your computer, we are installing some stuff" notices every now and then.

Studio machine I left on Win 8.1 for a fair old while, watching to see if there was any fallout in the early days, even though I had been running betas and release candidates on one of the laptops for some time.
That machine is on Win10 Pro and has all the popular switch-offs done.
I get almost no background activity at all & I get to decide when I get the updates and when I install them.
Mind you that one I did a full clean install and have never regretted it.

It has crossed my mind that in many cases, the issues people are getting on updates rather than clean reinstalls are very likely to have been caused by not doing the usual basic housekeeping (clearing out the crap, defragging drives, memory and registry) rather than any real shortcomings in Win10.

My experience is that every single computer I have updated to Win10 has run faster and smoother. I am now up to a dozen installs in 2 different languages and counting.

So to those of you experiencing problems, I would suggest doing a format and clean reinstall of everything.
Having never-ending disk activity is not normal. Says to me that windows is struggling to keep running because of problems it is trying to work around. Reinstall.
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once the update has complete and WIN10 is properly activated, all you need to do is get the Media Tool from Microsoft and install fresh, just skip the activation code entry and it will activate once complete and connected to the internet
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Going off topic a little bit, apologies to Cerendir, but...
I'm also debating with myself (& numerous Google searches) about upgrading to W10. I'm not even sure that I can actually do what I want to:
I have the retail version of W7 Home Premium in place at the moment.
I want to do clean re-install of this - start afresh & tidy things up.
I've also added a new HDD on which I'd ideally like to install W10, so that I'll have a dual-boot set-up: W7 for audio; W10 for general other uses - web, work, etc.

Can any of you kind folks tell me if the above is even possible?
If so, I'm confused about which order I should do things.
And importantly, does a single retail license for W7 even allow for this, considering that it will convert to a W10 license when I install the new OS?
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Ever since windows 95 there is a pattern on releases of windows versions, every other one is crap.

Windows 95 acceptable

Windows 98 crap

Windows XP acceptable

Windows Vista crap

Windows 7. Acceptable

Windows 8. Crap

Windows 8.1. Acceptable

Windows 10 Crap
Well, the list is missing Win2K & WinME. That'll disrupt your world order.

Win2K & XP was good (or acceptable as you say). WinME a total disaster.
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Ever since I upgraded my laptop (a modest ASUS X401U, FTR) to Win 10 last year it's been nigh unusable. It spends all its time updating itself and rebooting when I'm not looking even if I have stuff open and just close the lid to put it to sleep. Next morning I'm logged out again and upon logging in Windows informs me that it has restarted after having installed updates. The hdd is grinding almost constantly, like it's... I dunno? Very busy doing SOMETHING. I have opted out of all things optional and disabled all the telemetry stuff with Spybot Anti-Beacon. Yet it keeps doing shit that I haven't greenlighted and it feels like this isn't my computer anymore, it's part of some kind of Microsoft botnet. I wasn't crazy about Win 8 but at least it worked on that particular machine.

Funnily... just for the sake of experimentation I upgraded my daughters Win 7 Home computer to Win 10 as well a few months ago and this is a completely different story. I have not noticed the intrusive updating/rebooting thing on that machine at all. Nor the constant grinding of hard drives. TBH her almost decade-old dual core Dell machine flies with Win 10 on it. It's really, really snappy and has worked problem free ever since the upgrade.

This makes me wonder if the ASUS lappy is simply a very poor hardware fit for Windows 10. Maybe the W10 ASUS drivers are shit or something like that? Even if the ASUS is a budget lappy, I honestly thought it would outperform a 2007 stationary machine with an OS that is allegedly resource frugal (though maybe not by a great margin).

My DAW still has Win 7 on it. It's tempting to give Win 10 a shot given how great it works on the kid's computer. But clearly there's no guarantee it will perform well at all.
Is this ASUS X401U a machine that you use irregularly? -if so constant updates inevitable.

Is your Daughters machine one that is booted up every day?

I would not do a clean install on the DAW machine. Instead I would back up the drive image and install it as an upgrade. The clean install concept is mostly outdated now, it may help in isolated cases. Microsoft do not recommend it over updating, it's just another option. You'll have a lot less hassle if you just update, with all the plugin license nonsense. By the time you reinstall all your programs and Windows is up to date performance gains of a fresh install will be gone. This provided your hard drive wasn't nearly full, or your machine has a virus etc.

Part of my decision to go with Win10 and stay with it is the sheer number of cumulative updates. The longer you leave it the more you have to do. I have terribly slow broadband, not fun.

If you trial the update rather than fresh install it is silly easy to revert to Win7.
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To Topic (strange to post it here )

an udatecycle may occurr if the laptop-manufacturer
has applied an automatic driver-software (mads).
Manufacturers driver may not be in the compatibilitylist from microsoft (ms).
So ms will update an older driver. mads will cure this. ms will cure this ....
till the user goes to madhouse.
that happened to one of my laptops with an older video card. cured this
by taking hardware-updates out of the ms-updates.

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Running Windows 10 since the inception. Haven't had one issue, and seems to run smoother.
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Ever since I upgraded my laptop (a modest ASUS X401U, FTR) to Win 10 last year it's been nigh unusable. It spends all its time updating itself and rebooting when I'm not looking even if I have stuff open and just close the lid to put it to sleep. Next morning I'm logged out again and upon logging in Windows informs me that it has restarted after having installed updates. The hdd is grinding almost constantly, like it's... I dunno? Very busy doing SOMETHING. I have opted out of all things optional and disabled all the telemetry stuff with Spybot Anti-Beacon. Yet it keeps doing shit that I haven't greenlighted and it feels like this isn't my computer anymore, it's part of some kind of Microsoft botnet. I wasn't crazy about Win 8 but at least it worked on that particular machine.

Funnily... just for the sake of experimentation I upgraded my daughters Win 7 Home computer to Win 10 as well a few months ago and this is a completely different story. I have not noticed the intrusive updating/rebooting thing on that machine at all. Nor the constant grinding of hard drives. TBH her almost decade-old dual core Dell machine flies with Win 10 on it. It's really, really snappy and has worked problem free ever since the upgrade.

This makes me wonder if the ASUS lappy is simply a very poor hardware fit for Windows 10. Maybe the W10 ASUS drivers are shit or something like that? Even if the ASUS is a budget lappy, I honestly thought it would outperform a 2007 stationary machine with an OS that is allegedly resource frugal (though maybe not by a great margin).

My DAW still has Win 7 on it. It's tempting to give Win 10 a shot given how great it works on the kid's computer. But clearly there's no guarantee it will perform well at all.
I feel your pain Mattias. You can always turn off the automatic updates???

I'm a happy Mac user since 2008. Never had any issues.

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I feel your pain Mattias. You can always turn off the automatic updates???

I'm a happy Mac user since 2008. Never had any issues.

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Ever since windows 95 there is a pattern on releases of windows versions, every other one is crap.

Windows 95 acceptable

Windows 98 crap

Windows XP acceptable

Windows Vista crap

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You forgot Windows 98 SE (acceptable) and Win Me (crap).
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My evaluation would be:

Win95: ok
Win95b: better
Win98: ok
Win98se: better
WinME: bad
Win2000: Actually Good
WinXP: Bad again
WinXP sp3: Getting there
Vista: Bad again
Win 7:Actually Good
Win 8: Jesus MS, dafuq you smokin?
Win 8.1: Sobering up slightly, but still out there.
Win 10: Back on the pipe.
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XP was really great, even non-SP. XP SP3 is probably Microsoft's best OS ever, after W7.
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Just to throw my 2 cents in...

I've been using Windows 10 on my main PC since it came out and I upgraded from Windows 8.1. I ended up converting my studio system over to Windows 10 a few months back. It actually ran better than Windows 7, but I did go through all the tweaks on both systems to make sure all the privacy problems were corrected.

I've now built a new studio system and it absolutely rocks on Windows 10. I was actually considering building a hackintosh to go the apple route with my new studio pc, but was concerned about some of the vst effects I use and not having them in a Mac..

I like it and recommend to everyone to go to it. I now only have 1 Windows 7 system in my house. It's my media center system. Microsoft did not include Windows Media Center in W10. If they had, I would have already switched that system over to it also..
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Ever since windows 95 there is a pattern on releases of windows versions, every other one is crap.

Windows 95 acceptable

Windows 98 crap

Windows XP acceptable

Windows Vista crap

Windows 7. Acceptable

Windows 8. Crap

Windows 8.1. Acceptable

Windows 10 Crap
Yeah, I also predicted W10 would be crap because I noticed as well the even versions were crap.
With W10, it's only half true, as when it's correctly configured, W10 is okay (without being any better than W7).
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If you can accept giving your OS over to the Microsoft Borg, then W10 isn't so bad. I've upgraded W8.1 and W7. One works great, the other has a shit load of quirky issues.

But for those of us who prefer to not upgrade a machine, I wish they would leave us the hell alone. Just this week MS embedded W10 adware in a "security" update for Internet Explorer. And how many times have they disingenuously tried to slip the KB3035583 W10 nagware onto computers? I'm sick of having to thoroughly vet every goddamn update to make sure it's not doing some prepping for W10. Enough is enough! Leave me and my W7 DAW the fuck alone!
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Ever since windows 95 there is a pattern on releases of windows versions, every other one is crap.

Windows 95 acceptable

Windows 98 crap

Windows XP acceptable

Windows Vista crap

Windows 7. Acceptable

Windows 8. Crap

Windows 8.1. Acceptable

Windows 10 Crap
you forgot ME and include 8.1?
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Old 03-12-2016, 09:10 AM   #37
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I'm not an expert on the ins and outs of OS', I've machines still on Win98SE, XP and Win7-Pro because I was told they were good systems (and they do their job well, I won't mess with them).

I can't get a straight answer out of anybody here, will Win10-Pro exclude me from the unasked-for updates and the check-home-about-everything behaviour? I'm building a new Workstation soon, and I will not have an OS on it that reports anything to the manufacturer -think client confidentiality.

I absolutely must have control over system and driver/software updates -the kind I can research first and uninstall if they cause issues -I don't want to take risks with arbitrary updates I didn't ask for breaking something while I'm not looking. Nothing I have read about Win10 gives me any confidence whatsoever, and most IT people I manage to speak to say "not on commercial machines" they won't support it.

Can anybody tell me with any confidence that Win10Pro will do what I want? Does anybody actually know what they're talking about?




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Old 03-12-2016, 09:13 AM   #38
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who is forcing anyone to change?

You don't have to do win10.

I did it because I like the workflow enhancements. If you don't know what they are, look them up. If you don't see anything you like, don't upgrade.
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Old 03-12-2016, 09:25 AM   #39
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I'll need an OS for my new workstation, I'm going for Win7-Pro unless someone gives me some confidence.



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Old 03-12-2016, 09:27 AM   #40
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who is forcing anyone to change?

You don't have to do win10.

I did it because I like the workflow enhancements. If you don't know what they are, look them up. If you don't see anything you like, don't upgrade.
At the moment people can still use older versions but in 4 years time for 7 and 6 years time for 8, the os well no longer be supported and not receive security updates.

Also, the new processors from Intel are not supported on previous versions of Windows, only 10.

So at the moment we can resist but shortly we will all be forced to change. Which saddens me.
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