v6.27+dev0419 - April 19 2021

[Edgemeal]

v6.27+dev0419 - April 19 2021
* Includes feature branch: EEL2 x86_64/SSE
* Includes feature branch: VST3 bridging
* Includes feature branch: ReaSurroundPan
* Includes feature branch: media item lanes
+ FX bridging: avoid zombie reaper_hostXX processes in various corner cases
+ Razor edit: add mouse modifier to expand or compress envelope range
+ macOS: fix exiting of bridge processes when parent terminates
# Razor edit: improve hit testing interaction between envelopes and razor edit edges
# Razor edit: restrict envelope editing behaviors to envelopes in lanes

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[mccrabney]

nice.

a little more detail on this report: i have "pool source data when pasting automation items" disabled. if i use RE to split an AI, the AI are unexpectedly pooled. if i copy/paste or ctrl-drag copy the AI, they are not (expected).

when i select sections from an AI with a RE, i'm going for an unpooled "trim" behavior. testing the above highlighted that AI would benefit from a trim-splitting preference, like MIDI has: "Allow trim of MIDI items when splitting (does not apply to pooled MIDI)."

[bolgwrad]

Originally Posted by Edgemeal

v6.27+dev0419 - April 19 2021
# Razor edit: restrict envelope editing behaviors to envelopes in lanes

Great, that's removed the cursor confusion. One thing would make it perfect.

What's inconsistent is that if I create an RE area over both a media and envelope lane, then toggle the lane display twice, the envelope lane 'forgets' it had an RE area. If this didn't happen, toggling envelope lane display would smooth RE envelope editing a lot.

This matters because: If I want to use RE envelope edit controls, I have to remember to display the desired lane before I create the RE, if it isn't displayed already, which is slightly clunky.

Unless of course, I use 'toggle display all visible envelopes in lanes for tracks' to access the RE edit controls. This preserves the RE as I don't have to select the envelope.

However, the target media lane RE doesn't extend to include the newly opened envelope lane.

[Mercado_Negro]

+ Razor edit: add mouse modifier to expand or compress envelope range

Thank you! Just a little misbehavior here:



Please add a couple of points at razor edit area edges to avoid modifying everything outside of the area.




Please consider this, if possible:

https://forum.cockos.com/showpost.ph...5&postcount=28

[lerian]

Having a weird display glitch. When i hover the mose some elements appear. After i resized the mixer it displayed correctly. OSX Mojave, Intel i7, Dual GPU - Intel Iris Pro/Radeon R9 M370X.

https://imgur.com/ygBQtZu

[deeb]

Mercado_Negro : could you please make a lice cap of cubase doing snap to neighbour values ?

[Fergler]

Razor edit: add mouse modifier to expand or compress envelope range

Would love to see these as handles on edit areas like in Cubase, also. Running out of mouse modifier room here

[deeb]

Originally Posted by Fergler

Razor edit: add mouse modifier to expand or compress envelope range

Would love to see these as handles on edit areas like in Cubase, also. Running out of mouse modifier room here

i agree . I don't really have much faith they will do it, hope i am wrong .. but is so much more intuitive and obvious to use and less modifier diving abysm.

[Mercado_Negro]

Originally Posted by deeb

Mercado_Negro : could you please make a lice cap of cubase doing snap to neighbour values ?

Snap to neighbor values?

[deeb]

Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro

Snap to neighbor values?

when you create or edit an envelope and press shift (i think) it will snap to previous envelope point value which results in a perfectly horizontal line.

[Vagelis]

Originally Posted by Edgemeal

v6.27+dev0419 - April 19 2021
# Razor edit: restrict envelope editing behaviors to envelopes in lanes

Does this mean we should stop hoping for take envelopes support? If so it’s very unfortunate

[deeb]

Originally Posted by Vagelis

Does this mean we should stop hoping for take envelopes support? If so it’s very unfortunate

it might be extremely complex to deal with! maybe they could make RE work with take envelopes in that way while a single RE exist only? when multiple RE exist focus and deal per track things (as is now), and while single RE focus on what is inside track (track envelopes/media lanes/FIP) ? or maybe a mode for single track only: In track RE mode (micro) vs global RE mode (macro) ?

But maybe they are just waiting to see where Media Lanes go and then implement it?

IDK just a thought! ...

[Vagelis]

I don’t mind if it works with a single RE only, I use a lot take envelopes they are very useful, especially pitch is one of the parameters we can’t transform other than adding a pitchshifter to the whole track.. And let’s not forget take fx, there are many creative uses.
I just hope the devs will not abandon the idea of using RE with take envelopes.

[deeb]

Originally Posted by Vagelis

take envelopes they are very useful, especially pitch is one of the parameters we can’t transform other than adding a pitchshifter to the whole track.. And let’s not forget take fx, there are many creative uses.
.

i agree ! RE not reaching there is leaving handy caped the amazing existing takes envelopes feature.

side note: i wish midi could reach takes fx ...

[Vagelis]

I mostly automate take pitch straight on audio. You can shape a soundscape, create risers, detune or transform sounds etc.
Never used a sampler as take fx, samplers are better to use on track so you can use the midi editor as well for the sound.

[deeb]

Originally Posted by Vagelis

samplers are better to use on track so you can use the midi editor as well for the sound.

that is kind of like someone saying to you: "envelopes are better to use on track (then takes) because i don't use it"

Of course we can have midi editor (midi item with take fx and an instrument), and if midi reached there in many cases it would be amazing to use Samplers/instruments in take fx directly instead of track, the only big no is that midi input doesn't reach there. Same has RE not reaching take envelopes. Makes takes envelopes and FX benefit against using tracks less obvious - in other words diminishes the benefits of the feature against traditional track sequencing.

anyway! it's out of topic. I Just wanted to show how unbalance it gets when take can't be handle in the same way as tracks. The benefit of take approach gets reduced.

[Vagelis]

Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro

Please add a couple of points at razor edit area edges to avoid modifying everything outside of the area.

Yes, also in this case with a single point and selection the new modifier is not working because it doesn't create edge points. With the basic modifier it does.



Also could you make it possible to bend the envelope curve above RE?

[WyattRice]

"# Razor edit: restrict envelope editing behaviors to envelopes in lanes"

Wow. I really like this, but I wish it wasn't restricted to lanes.
I had asked about this years ago. Is there a way it could be optional, so we could do something like in the gif below?

[deeb]

Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro

Snap to neighbor values?

i can't find any video showing clearly this. The only i found is implicit done in the first second (match with previous value) then the guy start presenting the other feature, 1 or 2 seconds later (too fast)

https://youtu.be/SfqKyhaz6Bs?t=221

If you could do a lice cap of that particular modifier would be very grateful since i don't have cubase nor nuendo.

[Mercado_Negro]

Originally Posted by deeb

i can't find any video showing clearly this. The only i found is implicit done in the first second (match with previous value) then the guy start presenting the other feature, 1 or 2 seconds later (too fast)

https://youtu.be/SfqKyhaz6Bs?t=221

If you could do a lice cap of that particular modifier would be very grateful since i don't have cubase nor nuendo.

I really don't know of any modifier or feature to snap the current selected point to the value of the nearest point. Sorry.

[deeb]

Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro

I really don't know of any modifier or feature to snap the current selected point to the value of the nearest point. Sorry.

okok For sure it existed dragging a point with a modifier, but maybe not in nuendo just cubase. IDK. thank you for trying. it was alt , or shit or ctrl , or cmd. Any way thank you .

[juliansader]

Originally Posted by deeb

JS: will you ever consider implementing in multitool , snapping vertical snapping envelopes while dragging to existing neighbour values?

I'm not sure if this is what you have in mind, but the Multi Tool can Tilt to existing neighbour values if you mousewheel on the Tilt zone.