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05-25-2016, 08:57 AM
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#121
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^^^ Update, after some more fiddling and reinstallation, all good on the Mac. Cheers
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05-25-2016, 07:05 PM
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#122
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
Import and export are under development and coming soon. Our current plan is to support MusicXML import/export rather than printing directly, so if you want to print scores, you can export to a dedicated notation program like Sibelius, Finale, MuseScore etc, and print from there.
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Is printing a complex thing to include? I ask out of sheer ignorance. I can get it done with that process, though.
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05-25-2016, 07:20 PM
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#123
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I have no idea if it is complicated or not, but I think it is a good idea to draw the line between MIDI editing and engraving at some point. Direct printing is as good a place as any to draw the line I suppose.
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05-25-2016, 10:41 PM
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#124
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Can anyone explain this?
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+ MIDI editor: allow separate selection link to visibility and editability in track list
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I have seen a few users very frustrated with this change.
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05-26-2016, 07:47 AM
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#125
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So glad to see Reaper incorporating a notation editor. Yea! I entered the DAW world in the 90s with ProTools, dumped it for Reaper a few years ago, and then added Cubase to my studio along with Reaper because of Cubase's notation and time signature/tempo change functionality (so easy and intuitive). So it's refreshing to see that the Reaper devs are pushing ahead in the DAW world. I can't wait to see a more developed notation editor in the future. In the meantime, this is great! Yea!
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05-26-2016, 08:09 AM
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#126
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pcartwright
I have no idea if it is complicated or not, but I think it is a good idea to draw the line between MIDI editing and engraving at some point. Direct printing is as good a place as any to draw the line I suppose.
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I'm sure it will be added at some point. There are lots of people who would like to do as much as possible inside reaper. Printing is a logical addition. People will continue to come here and ask for it. Might as well add it
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05-26-2016, 01:45 PM
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#127
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I'm with pcartwright. Gotta draw a line somewhere. REAPER also has no audio editor you know?
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05-27-2016, 09:23 AM
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#128
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The track list area would be a beautiful spot to have a tool bar for notation and midi functions..
maybe a option to view toolbar in that area and be able to toggle between track list and toolbars.
Or even combine the views with one on the top and one on the bottom.
Look at all that space available.
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05-28-2016, 03:41 PM
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#129
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pcartwright
I have no idea if it is complicated or not, but I think it is a good idea to draw the line between MIDI editing and engraving at some point. Direct printing is as good a place as any to draw the line I suppose.
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I think that might be one of those things that seems totally logical and well reasoned right up until the day when you've got five posts by five different users asking "WTF, where's the print button for what I'm looking at? Am I just doing something wrong???". What makes sense from a development perspective might not from an end-user's.
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05-29-2016, 08:42 AM
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#130
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Just updated to 5.201 and a project that was using ~20% CPU has gone up to 75% with audio glitches everywhere.
Gone back to 5.18 and all is fine
No biggy for now as I ill just continue with 5.18 but just a head's up
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Win 7 x64, XEON E5-2640, 32GB RAM
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05-29-2016, 01:38 PM
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#131
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Quote:
Originally Posted by trumpetsteve
Just updated to 5.201 and a project that was using ~20% CPU has gone up to 75% with audio glitches everywhere.
Gone back to 5.18 and all is fine
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Do you think the bad performance is MIDI editor related, or on the audio side?
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05-29-2016, 08:31 PM
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#132
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hamish
..... REAPER also has no audio editor you know?
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That would be a great addition...
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05-30-2016, 11:20 AM
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#133
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hamish
Do you think the bad performance is MIDI editor related, or on the audio side?
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No idea - wasn't using the the midi editor. Just updated, loaded up a project and CPU was all over the place
Sorry for not being helpful but just wondered if anyone else had the same issues
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05-30-2016, 11:33 AM
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#134
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hamish
I'm with pcartwright. Gotta draw a line somewhere. REAPER also has no audio editor you know?
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You mean no DESTRUCTIVE audio editor presumably.
Once I got my head round zooming stuff out large enough, audio editing in Reaper works for me.
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05-30-2016, 03:19 PM
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#135
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I know exactly what I mean
Yes REAPER can edit audio. No it has no 'destructive' audio editor. It has a potentially very destructive MIDI editor (more of a user thing there, best to treat it with a lot of caution and respect).
My point was simply that (imo) the fabulous Notation view does not need direct printing any more than the audio side needs a destructive audio editor.
Not equivalent at all, except in the sense of pcartwright's suggestion of 'drawing a line'. Clearly a line was drawn over a destructive editor. Clearly that was philosophical decision.
Maybe the same will apply to printing from the Notation view. Maybe not.
Personally I don't care, but it would have to be pretty good before I'd use it over MuseScore.
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05-31-2016, 12:31 AM
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#136
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hamish
I know exactly what I mean .
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Yep - we were at cross purposes!
Sorry `bout that.
I thought you were complaining about the lack of a destructive audio editor.
Out of idle curiosity, what destructive MIDI editing are you referring to?
I presume this is not something deliberate?
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05-31-2016, 02:39 AM
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#137
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ivansc
Out of idle curiosity, what destructive MIDI editing are you referring to?
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(Off the top of my head...) The main thing is when you glue items that have multiple takes only active takes form the new item, and other takes are lost (assuming you are using the default MIDI data stored in project). This is different to audio, where source data is never deleted.
I sometimes thought that if the 'non-destructive/edit decision list' philosophy extended to MIDI that in these cases a .mid file might get written to save non active takes.
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06-08-2016, 11:04 PM
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#138
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EpicSounds
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Awesome Youtube. Been going through it all arvo. Many thanks, mate!
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06-08-2016, 11:06 PM
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#139
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This is a fucking fabulous update to an already fucking fabulous beast.
Thanks to all concerned. 10/10!!
Yep!
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06-10-2016, 06:28 AM
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#140
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Where is it?
Updated today, excited about the notation editor, and then couldn't find it.
Here's what someone not "in the know" tries first:
Create a new midi item. Right click that: Notation editor? negative.
Double click the thing. In the midi editor, look at the menu items: no notation option. Right click here: negative. Check View menu: negative. Extensions: negative. Other menus: nothing.
So there's a great new feature being advertised on the main page, but my level of intelligence doesn't qualify to let me find it.
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06-10-2016, 06:45 AM
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#141
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Quote:
Originally Posted by init
Updated today, excited about the notation editor, and then couldn't find it.
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06-10-2016, 07:14 AM
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#142
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Location: Berlin
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have to undock midi editor
Okay, thanks a many. But it still took me some time to get it, because that menu is only available when the midi editor is undocked, mine was docked. I think there should also be a way to access the notation mode if the midi editor is docked. From the main View menu or from the midi item's context menu or an icon in the docked midi editor.
Great to have it now. Ten years development, wow... we're really catching up where we're not ahead now. Did I just say something? No, I just got a talking bubblegum.
Thanks for the great work!
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06-10-2016, 07:19 AM
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#143
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FWIW it is available from the docked context menu. But you are correct that it's not obvious to a newcomer how to enter the notation view.
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06-10-2016, 07:27 AM
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#144
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yes, it is
Thanks, yes, now I have found it, too, only when you click in certain areas, though. When I was looking I happened to not click any of those.
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06-10-2016, 10:50 AM
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#145
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
FWIW it is available from the docked context menu. But you are correct that it's not obvious to a newcomer how to enter the notation view.
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would it be crazy to add an always-visible menu button?
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06-12-2016, 10:13 AM
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#146
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EpicSounds
would it be crazy to add an always-visible menu button?
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For newbies? That might help. But adding a toolbar icon with a clef or whatever for notation is pretty easy.
If you know how to add toolbar icons and actions
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06-16-2016, 04:29 AM
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#147
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Join Date: Sep 2015
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This new Notation editor is the best. I was going to buy Sibelius First just this week and then I searched ... I did not know about this new update since I updated before ... Definitely now Reaper is a real thread against Cubase Pro ... CONGRATS !!!!!!!
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06-16-2016, 07:46 AM
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#148
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lowellben
For newbies? That might help. But adding a toolbar icon with a clef or whatever for notation is pretty easy.
If you know how to add toolbar icons and actions
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I meant for the MIDI editor menu, but definitely the main MIDI toolbar should include a few more essentials by default.
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06-24-2016, 10:53 AM
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#149
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Aug 2014
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Printing notation
notation is a great addition but how can you print it?
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06-24-2016, 11:12 AM
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#150
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bsatriani
notation is a great addition but how can you print it?
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Great question. One that'll be asked a lot.
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06-24-2016, 11:29 AM
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#151
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Printing might be included in a later version. I think MusicXML export is next and the latest pre release version supports it (preliminary).
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06-24-2016, 02:04 PM
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#152
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bsatriani
notation is a great addition but how can you print it?
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(Expected to come in v5.22)
Literally takes 20 seconds:
Go MIDI Editor Menu >File >Export MusicXML
Open MuseScore File >Open
Bang!
Press print in MuseScore.
MuseScore has a huge userbase, at least as big as REAPER I would guess. The price is WAY below REAPER at free, so I can't see much benefit to cockos in duplicating their work.
Last edited by hamish; 06-24-2016 at 02:28 PM.
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06-24-2016, 02:24 PM
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#153
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To be clear, MusicXML export is in prerelease testing now. REAPER 5.211 is the current public release version and does not support notation export or printing.
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06-26-2016, 09:08 AM
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#154
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Human being with feelings
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Is there a way to choose how many lines are in a staff like this?
Also when I do a clef change on the default treble/bass and select Percusion line for both treble and bass it won't allow me to input notes on the bottom Percusion line. I click a note in and it only affects the top line.
Example
also notice at the end. when you delete the notes it reverts the clefs back to default?? that shouldn't happen.
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