Are VST effects pre-fader or post fader?

[zendrum]

I know this is a pretty newb question, so if it has been answered elsewhere, please forgive me and point me to the right place. I searched the forums extensively, studied my user manual and the ReaMix manual without finding a concrete answer. From my analog mixing experience, I know there are certain effects I want to be pre-fader on an insert (compression, EQ, gating, etc.) and others I want to be post fader with a mix control (reverb, delay, pitch correction, chorus, etc.).

When I click on the fx button for a track in either the TCP or the mixer, are these effects pre- or post- fader? It seems they are post because changing the fader level then changes where the threshold setting for a compressor kicks in, or where the gate opens.

Is there an easy way to assign an effect plugin as pre- or post- fader, or to tell which it is?

Thanks!

[camerondye]

The FX are pre-fader

I just ran ReaComp on a Lead Vocal and turned the fader up and down with no effect at all on Reacomp. I don't know of any way to set them up post-fader short of using a VST fader followed by a vst compressor or whatever you're wanting post fader.
cam

[zendrum]

Thanks for the reply! Why then, does the amount of reverb on a track move with the fader? That would seem to indicate post fader to me. Or unlike an analog mixer, are all of the fx pre fader with the return to that channel only, also pre fader? I guess that makes sense, as the fader would then control wet, dry, and return all together in one shot. Maybe I answered my own question here.....

[Tod]

Click on the In/Out (I/O) button of the track and on the particular send you can select Post/Pre just to the right of the Phase button.

[Fabian]

This explains it all http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.p...hlight=routing
Right?

EDIT: Sorry, I meant this https://stash.reaper.fm/oldsb/365518/...signalflow.png But then, the thread is interesting read, as well...

[DuraMorte]

Originally Posted by zendrum

are all of the fx pre fader with the return to that channel only, also pre fader?

Bingo!

[Analogy]

In analog console terms, a chain of VST effects is like coming out of the insert on the channel strip, going through a chain of effects, and back into the insert. Each subsequent VST effect completely replaces the channel audio at that point in the chain.

For things like reverb and delay, I recommend putting the reverb/delay on its own individual track with the settings set to fully wet with no dry, and using a send to route the audio into it from your source track. Sends can be pre or post fader, and pre-fader can be pre or post insert as well.

[zendrum]

Thanks guys!

[kid bliss]

happy weekender!

i'm trying to get head around this, i have a bass track routed to a buss, buss is controlled by a midi controller volume fader and knob for reverb.

how do i set it up so that reverb still has its tail when i turn the knob to zero again?

studio mode on...

[Judders]

Originally Posted by kid bliss

happy weekender!

i'm trying to get head around this, i have a bass track routed to a buss, buss is controlled by a midi controller volume fader and knob for reverb.

how do i set it up so that reverb still has its tail when i turn the knob to zero again?

studio mode on...

Send it to a track that is not being output to the bass bus.

[kid bliss]

Originally Posted by Judders

Send it to a track that is not being output to the bass bus.

thanks for the responds, your sentence is like a mantra i have to read it 11 times to understand it haha
yes thats my lack of knowledge, not your fault

i make a new track with the reverb vst and route that to the bass?

[kid bliss]

can't seem to get this going..

when i mute the buss track i would like to hear the reverbs tail.
i've been searching all evening for this, perhaps i dont have the right terminology to search for..

u think you could help me out in a step by step explanation?

i have 1 bass track.
and 1 buss to control the bass volume & effects with a midi controller.

Many thanks

[Judders]

Originally Posted by kid bliss

can't seem to get this going..

when i mute the buss track i would like to hear the reverbs tail.
i've been searching all evening for this, perhaps i dont have the right terminology to search for..

u think you could help me out in a step by step explanation?

i have 1 bass track.
and 1 buss to control the bass volume & effects with a midi controller.

Many thanks

Hehe

Create a track with your reverb VST. This has to have an output that is NOT the bass bus (you can just leave it at the default "master/parent send"... so basically do nothing and don't worry about it ).

Create a send from the bass track to the reverb track.

When you mute the bass bus, you should hear the reverb tail.

[kid bliss]

Originally Posted by Judders

Send it to a track that is not being output to the bass bus.

i have the reverb on a seperate track, my buss is sending to that 'reverb bus', now what would i control on my midi controller?

if midi link the dry/wet or mix to a knob on my controller im still having the same results, im muting or removing the tail reverb when turning the knob.

i'm close i can feel it

anybody?

[kid bliss]

Originally Posted by Judders

Hehe

Create a track with your reverb VST. This has to have an output that is NOT the bass bus (you can just leave it at the default "master/parent send"... so basically do nothing and don't worry about it ).

Create a send from the bass track to the reverb track.

When you mute the bass bus, you should hear the reverb tail.

thanks a lot!

trying things out..weekend aint it

[Judders]

Originally Posted by kid bliss

i have the reverb on a seperate track, my buss is sending to that 'reverb bus', now what would i control on my midi controller?

if midi link the dry/wet or mix to a knob on my controller im still having the same results, im muting or removing the tail reverb when turning the knob.

i'm close i can feel it

anybody?

You want to keep the reverb 100% wet on the reverb track.

Use your controller to drop the bass bus volume.

[kid bliss]

Originally Posted by Judders

You want to keep the reverb 100% wet on the reverb track.

Use your controller to drop the bass bus volume.

so far so disco..

i created 8 busses for midi control, (kind of a template for productions) 1 fader for volume & 3 knobs for delay reverb and filter)
i guess i should delete them and work on the direct channels (bass/drums etc)

many thanks for your help!

[Judders]

You're welcome

[mschnell]

Originally Posted by zendrum

Why then, does the amount of reverb on a track move with the fader? That would seem to indicate post fader to me.

??? As reverb is a "linear" effect, there is no difference between attenuating the signal before or after.

-Michael