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Old 06-23-2020, 10:48 AM   #9601
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I believe Logic Mode should be the "MCU" Mode, as Logic developed the MCU protocol originally.

One of my surfaces said that in the documentation, I forget which one.
The reason I suggested the Cubase mode was this (from the FaderPort 2 Manual):

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Link. At the time of publication, this button has no function in Logic.
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Link. At the time of publication, this button has no function in Live.
...So I'm not 100% the FaderPort transmits messages in Logic and Live mode for that button. But in Cubase Mode it at least does something.
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Old 06-23-2020, 10:54 AM   #9602
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So please, don't take my choice for Mode like I am stubborn or unreasoable, I just want to be able to get the best use of my unit.
I'm not trying to do that at all. I'm trying to troubleshoot. You do that by starting with what should work, starting small, and building out from there.

Remember: I don't have access to your unit. So I'm starting from the perspective of: I know that if PreSonus adhered to the MCU standard in a reasonable way, it will work with CSI. I don't know that Studio One mode doesn't do proprietary stuff. Hence my guidance. It's to get you on a path I'm certain will work. But there's an assumption in that...

...to your point: it sounds like Presonus did not adhere to MCU very well if the Shift button doesn't output any messages in MCU mode. MCU has a Shift button. So not to map the Shift button in the FaderPort 2 to Shift in MCU (when in MCU mode) would make literally no sense other than they intentionally crippled their device in MCU mode. That's a crap thing for a company to do.

So in that case...I'll take a back seat as I'm out of ideas. Unless: X-Touch One maybe? lol
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Old 06-23-2020, 11:13 AM   #9603
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Hey Funkybot, I am greatful for all your support!

I tested according to your action items.

The result is what you expected. The midi messages change according to your description.

In MCU mode, Marker and Section do not output anything. Neither does Scroll.

So, it would be a bit like buying a car, and then only being able to use first and second gear, and many of the car's gadgets would not operate.

It's not your fault, Funkybot, my friend -- You really have been helpful all the way!

But if Studio One mode is out, then this does not make sense.

I wonder if Geoff has some final words of wisdom before we pack it in.
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Old 06-23-2020, 11:16 AM   #9604
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Works: Fader, pan, solo, mute, next/prev track, transport, markers and regions.

NO go: Arm (jumps as described), zoom, scroll

I have double checked with the CSI edit mode: Arm sends the same msg, but the second time pressed, weget the famous jump.
I have managed to get Arm working OK.I'm using:

Zone "Channel|"
SelectedTrackNavigator
Arm TrackRecordArm
Solo TrackSolo
Mute TrackMute
Fader TrackVolume
Read TrackAutoMode "1"
Write TrackAutoMode "3"
Touch TrackAutoMode "2"
Shift+Read Reaper "40400"
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Old 06-23-2020, 11:17 AM   #9605
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I have managed to get Arm working OK.I'm using:

Zone "Channel|"
SelectedTrackNavigator
Arm TrackRecordArm
Solo TrackSolo
Mute TrackMute
Fader TrackVolume
Read TrackAutoMode "1"
Write TrackAutoMode "3"
Touch TrackAutoMode "2"
Shift+Read Reaper "40400"
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I haven't managed to get Prev and Next buttons to work though, yet!
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Hey Funkybot, I am greatful for all your support!

I tested according to your action items.

The result is what you expected. The midi messages change according to your description.

In MCU mode, Marker and Section do not output anything. Neither does Scroll.

So, it would be a bit like buying a car, and then only being able to use first and second gear, and many of the car's gadgets would not operate.

It's not your fault, Funkybot, my friend -- You really have been helpful all the way!

But if Studio One mode is out, then this does not make sense.

I wonder if Geoff has some final words of wisdom before we pack it in.
Yeah, that's frustrating for sure! Studio One mode indeed makes the most sense considering some other features are just entirely non-functional in the MCU modes. Hopefully this gets sorted out for you. Wish you luck!
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Old 06-23-2020, 11:20 AM   #9607
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I haven't managed to get Prev and Next buttons to work though, yet!
When using SelectedTrackNavigator you want to use:

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	ChannelLeft 	Reaper 40286 	//Select previous track
	ChannelRight 	Reaper 40285 	//Select next track
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Hello everyone. I took a forum hiatus since March. Whew!

Ok, what did I miss here in CSI? Any cool new features in the last few months?

Hope everyone is doing ok
Were you around FocusedFXParam? That's my favorite "new" feature.

Otherwise, EuCon is improved and allows spilling FX's on the surface. Expanding collapsing folders and VCA's were fairly recent.

Beyond that, Geoff's been rewriting big chunks of the code for the last several weeks so it's been quiet. Just waiting for the new update.
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Old 06-23-2020, 11:24 AM   #9609
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I haven't managed to get Prev and Next buttons to work though, yet!
No, it's a bit like either or :-)

I used TrackNavigator because I would like my fader etc to operate on the channel determined by TrackBank. Hence TrackBank is working fine for me.

If you choose your fader etc to operate on SelectedTrack, then TrackBank won't work.

At least, that's how I understand it.
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Old 06-23-2020, 11:34 AM   #9610
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Hello everyone. I took a forum hiatus since March. Whew!

Ok, what did I miss here in CSI? Any cool new features in the last few months?

Hope everyone is doing ok
Hey man, great to see you !!

I went through a minor eye surgery, the recovery from which is dragging out longer than anticipated.

That said I am making slow progress on an almost total refactoring -- well some sections aren't touched that much -- all in effort of making the transition from beta to release.

Hang in there there folks, I'm still diggin', just takin' more breaks than usual
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Old 06-23-2020, 11:40 AM   #9611
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No, it's a bit like either or :-)

I used TrackNavigator because I would like my fader etc to operate on the channel determined by TrackBank. Hence TrackBank is working fine for me.

If you choose your fader etc to operate on SelectedTrack, then TrackBank won't work.

At least, that's how I understand it.
Try this -- from the manual appendix

Studio One
Studio One operation mode employs a native MIDI protocol. For advanced users or developers, this MIDI protocol can be used to access the FaderPort user interface elements directly.
To access this mode, press and hold the Next button on power up, then press Solo.
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Old 06-23-2020, 11:44 AM   #9612
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Oh yeah, why is everyone using Midi-OX, is CSI Midi monitor broken in the last build ?
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Try this -- from the manual appendix

Studio One
Studio One operation mode employs a native MIDI protocol. For advanced users or developers, this MIDI protocol can be used to access the FaderPort user interface elements directly.
To access this mode, press and hold the Next button on power up, then press Solo.
What does this mean? Well, I understand what it means, but ...

For me/CSI/FPv2?
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Oh yeah, why is everyone using Midi-OX, is CSI Midi monitor broken in the last build ?
Honestly: the CSI window can't be closed in the latest build (or I don't know how), which is enough of an inconvenience that I've been going out of my way to avoid opening it whenever possible.
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Old 06-23-2020, 11:56 AM   #9615
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What does this mean? Well, I understand what it means, but ...

For me/CSI/FPv2?
The quote is from the Faderport v2 user manual, page 41 section 8.2

If you set your unit to this mode, it should work (mostly) like an MCU -- I had a super quick glance at the protocol, looked pretty standard to me

In other words -- NOT MCU, Logic, or any others but follow their instructions to set to native mode.
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Honestly: the CSI window can't be closed in the latest build (or I don't know how), which is enough of an inconvenience that I've been going out of my way to avoid opening it whenever possible.
I knew there had to be a reason
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Try this -- from the manual appendix

Studio One
Studio One operation mode employs a native MIDI protocol. For advanced users or developers, this MIDI protocol can be used to access the FaderPort user interface elements directly.
To access this mode, press and hold the Next button on power up, then press Solo.
That instantiates Studio One mode :-)
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cemark, you also asked earlier and I forgot to answer...

There's a Reaper action called "Refresh all control surfaces" or something like that. Assign this to a keyboard shortcut. Once you do that, you can use that shortcut to refresh your CSI after making .mst or .zon changes without needing to close and reopen Reaper.

Just make sure the main Reaper window is in focus when you fire the action. You should see the fader and lights on your surface initialize when it works.
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That instantiates Studio One mode :-)
Wow, unfortunate, that means the Presonus user manual is wrong ?

Because they seem to say everything is available in that mode, maybe I'm optimistically reading it
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cemark, you also asked earlier and I forgot to answer...

There's a Reaper action called "Refresh all control surfaces" or something like that. Assign this to a keyboard shortcut. Once you do that, you can use that shortcut to refresh your CSI after making .mst or .zon changes without needing to close and reopen Reaper.

Just make sure the main Reaper window is in focus when you fire the action. You should see the fader and lights on your surface initialize when it works.
Yes, I happened to find that one earlier -- cool!

And it seems we are back in business, right?
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I don't get it. Does CSI support Studio One mode or not? Sorry for being dense
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Hey man, great to see you !!

I went through a minor eye surgery, the recovery from which is dragging out longer than anticipated.

That said I am making slow progress on an almost total refactoring -- well some sections aren't touched that much -- all in effort of making the transition from beta to release.

Hang in there there folks, I'm still diggin', just takin' more breaks than usual
Hey, wow hope your procedure went well, glad to hear you're on the mend and work is continuing.

I do remember about folders and VCAs being discussed a while back. I honestly am still using an old build (can't even recall what build, Jan at the earliest) and haven't had the guts to update yet. Everything works so beautifully well!

Anyway good to hear from you and hope everyone's doing well and making lots of music and staying healthy. Long Live CSI!
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Quick question: Anyone use OBS to record video? I noticed when I use OBS, all my surfaces go bonkers: some buttons etc don't work at all, some work but don't light up, meter bridge stops working, etc. I have many surfaces, they will all exhibit some issue. As soon as I close OBS and restart Reaper, all is well. Only the surfaces get affected, so that's why I'm posing the question here.

Just curious if it's just me or what...
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I don't get it. Does CSI support Studio One mode or not? Sorry for being dense
CSI supports whatever FP puts out.

I read the user manful appendix and the Midi protocol sure looks like MCU to me

I find it very strange that they say you can access elements directly, but then Midi-OX shows some elements don't put out messages -- I think you mentioned Shift for one.

Have a read through the appendix, sure looks like standard MCU to me, at least most of it
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Quick question: Anyone use OBS to record video? I noticed when I use OBS, all my surfaces go bonkers: some buttons etc don't work at all, some work but don't light up, meter bridge stops working, etc. I have many surfaces, they will all exhibit some issue. As soon as I close OBS and restart Reaper, all is well. Only the surfaces get affected, so that's why I'm posing the question here.

Just curious if it's just me or what...
Could be it's just hogging Reaper resources -- refreshing surfaces is WAY down the priority chain in Reaper -- mostly rightly so
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CSI supports whatever FP puts out.

I read the user manful appendix and the Midi protocol sure looks like MCU to me

I find it very strange that they say you can access elements directly, but then Midi-OX shows some elements don't put out messages -- I think you mentioned Shift for one.

Have a read through the appendix, sure looks like standard MCU to me, at least most of it
I believe we're talking about different things.

1. In Studio One mode, you can access all individual elements of the FPv2. It outputs stable/consistent midi msg for each button.

2. In any of the MCU modes, operation is limited. For example, shift does not output anything.
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What am I supposed to map my rotary to, to get the standard mousewheel zoom to operate?
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Can you help me to define my rotary widget based on the following info I got from the manual?


Use CC messages to transmit increment and decrement values.
Transmitted endless rotary encoder delta values:
Session Navigator Encoder: B0, 3C, xx
xx delta value bit (Bit 7 = direction, Bits 0-6 = number of steps)


Right now, I have the simplest possible definition:
Code:
Widget Rotary1
	Encoder b0 10 7f
WidgetEnd
It kinda "works", but ...
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Could be it's just hogging Reaper resources -- refreshing surfaces is WAY down the priority chain in Reaper -- mostly rightly so
does it have anything to do with USB bandwidth in that regard? Because I am not sure how OBS is affecting Reaper's resources....I have no idea what I'm talking about, hope you do!
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I believe we're talking about different things.

1. In Studio One mode, you can access all individual elements of the FPv2. It outputs stable/consistent midi msg for each button.

2. In any of the MCU modes, operation is limited. For example, shift does not output anything.
I think that the Studio One mode is the way to go. As you said, all the buttons send midi messages.

The website says:

"** Users of third-party DAWs not listed that support the Mackie Control protocol, such as Reason, Bitwig Studio, and Reaper, should contact their DAW vendor for support."

Does anyone know who wrote the native Faderport V2 code in this version of Reaper?
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This thread might hold some insights:

https://answers.presonus.com/38115/f...w=38115#q38115
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does it have anything to do with USB bandwidth in that regard? Because I am not sure how OBS is affecting Reaper's resources....I have no idea what I'm talking about, hope you do!
I don't know OBS, is it USB based ?

If so, yeah, that might make USB Midi bog down...
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This thread might hold some insights:

https://answers.presonus.com/38115/f...w=38115#q38115
Ok, one thing they mention is firmware, is everyone up to date with their firmware ?
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Ok, one thing they mention is firmware, is everyone up to date with their firmware ?
I am.
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Geoff, not sure if you caught this earlier, but this had me stumped. Any idea why cemark's RecordArm button works on the first press, but subsequent presses only impact the Selected Track?

.zon file...
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Zone Home
	IncludedZones
		"Extended Transport|"
		"Track Control|1-1"
	IncludedZonesEnd
ZoneEnd

/ **********************
/ Extended Transport handles transport, markers, regions, zoom and scroll
/ ***********************
--- CUT


/ **********************
/ Track Control handles everything about a track
/ ***********************
Zone "Track Control|"
	TrackNavigator
	Arm|  				TrackRecordArm
	Solo|  				TrackSolo
	Mute|				TrackMute
	Fader|	  			TrackVolume
	FaderTouch|  			TrackTouch	
	Rotary|				TrackPan
ZoneEnd
And the .mst section...
Code:
/ *************************************************************
/ Author: Johan Steensland
/ Reaper forum alias: Cemark
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/ Filename: FPv2.mst
/ Date: June 2020, v1
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/ Purpose: mst file that defines the capabilities of the
/          surface Faderport v2
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/ Use: You may use this file for all purposes except commercial
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/ Comment: Make sure your surface is set to Studio One mode.
/ **************************************************************

/ ********** Upper section
/ **************************
Widget Solo1
	Press 90 08 7f
	FB_TwoState 90 08 7f 90 08 00
WidgetEnd

Widget Mute1
	Press 90 10 7f
	FB_TwoState 90 10 7f 90 10 00
WidgetEnd

Widget Arm1
	Press 90 00 7f
	FB_TwoState 90 00 7f 90 00 00
WidgetEnd
All that looked perfectly fine to me. That's all with the Faderport 2. Cemark, please feel free to correct any of that or update.
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Geoff, not sure if you caught this earlier, but this had me stumped. Any idea why cemark's RecordArm button works on the first press, but subsequent presses only impact the Selected Track?

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All that looked perfectly fine to me. That's all with the Faderport 2. Cemark, please feel free to correct any of that or update.
Yeah, I saw that and was also stumped, some scroll lock weirdness, some Reaper setting somehow, some weird Faderport mode ?

Did you and @cemark verify that the data stream from the Faderport was the same in all cases ?

Are there any other surfaces involved ?

What does CSI.ini look like ?
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Old 06-23-2020, 04:36 PM   #9638
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Hello everyone. I took a forum hiatus since March. Whew!

Ok, what did I miss here in CSI? Any cool new features in the last few months?

Hope everyone is doing ok
Hey man ..if u want i can post my files for the ProX . To help get ya started with all the changes you missed ?I experimented with the acceleration for pan encoders. I think i got it pretty good. Just to save you alot of tweak and test. I can post them in the morning.
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OK, reporting back on the magical jump. And thanks for geting back to me!

I removed all other surfaces from CSI.INI. The issue remains :-(
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OK, reporting back on the magical jump. And thanks for geting back to me!

I removed all other surfaces from CSI.INI. The issue remains :-(
OK, one more thing eliminated, I think you will find we are quite relentless, we WILL get to the bottom of this !
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