MIDItoReaControlPath: free VST for extended learn/assgin

[Jeffos]

MIDItoReaControlPath is a kind of hacker* VST plug that routes incoming MIDI events to Reaper's control path and/or to the standard MIDI path. The VST uses Reaper's extension API for that and thus is only intended to be used with Reaper.
*Schwa kindly confirmed "that would probably be fine".



This plug is released "as I use it". No need for a "sexy" GUI for me: as you can see, 4 faders et basta! However, it offers lot of possible combinaitions and you can easily work with several instances (refined input criteria). You can do things like "route all CC -except those on channel 10- to the control path and pass others to the standard midi path".

What is it? Why ?

Originally Posted by schwa

I think you are suffering from a common confusion of people coming to Reaper from other DAWs. Reaper currently has independent signal paths for control-CC-that-becomes-automation, and CC-that-gets-recorded-as-track-input.
You can't yet record CC as MIDI data on a track, then assign that recorded data as if it were an automation envelope, and you can't convert recorded CC to automation or vice versa. If you want automation, you have to record automation. If you want CC data on a track, you have to record MIDI CC.

The related FR is here: http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=1000

=> Adding MIDItoReaControlPath VST on a track allows you processing incoming/recorded/routed/generated MIDI events and automation as one and the same.
=> It's smarter/more efficient than using fake midi ports like MIDI Yoke (better timing, no extra MIDI hardware inputs/outputs needed).

In short:



Use case examples:
- enabling automations only for some MIDI harware inputs and for some MIDI msg types
- easier learn (i.e. filter channel + type of MIDI msg)
- combined other MIDI FXs, you can now process events before sending them to the conrol path
example: routing all CC4 to a given channel, so that it triggers the same action whatever is its original channel.
- MIDI item automation: FX params driven at "play time" through recorded midi items
- Complex/conditionnal FX control through JS effects (generating the CC events).
one of my use cases: reaDelay length live control according to the e-drummer's beat (live = no metronome)
- etc.. well, there're lot possible things! Here's another example:



Where:
- a JS "Action trigger" controls the transport commands (play, stop, ..)
- the played MIDI item (with learned CC, pitch and note events) is: driving FX params, muting/unmuting tracks, enabling/disabling FXs

Download:
MIDItoReaControlPath v1.0 (32-bit Intel Macs) new!
MIDItoReaControlPath v1.0 (64-bit Intel Macs) new!
MIDItoReaControlPath v1.0 (32-bit Windows)
MIDItoReaControlPath v1.0 (64-bit Windows)

Note for Windows: v1.0 makes extensive use of the SSE2 processor instruction set for maximum CPU efficiency. Older CPUs (notably the pre-64 Athlon XP series) that do not support SSE2 will not recognize it as a loadable plugin. The v0.2 build will run on older machines, it can be downloaded here.

Changelog:

v0.1:
- Initial release
v0.2:
- Compatible with Athlon XP (pre-64) processors
- 16 patchs
v1.0:
- Anticipative FX processing is now automatically turned off when needed
- Tighter build (463Ko -> 137Ko)
- Win x64 version

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[EDIT]
Many things can be done.. but the examples above are perhaps not the best ones. A simple and typical use case of that VST that should talk to MIDI musicians would be (aka "automation MIDI item"):
say you play the keys and have a VST parameter learnt from one of your knobs (on the keyboard)...
Case 1:
... for that, you have enabled "Control" in the midi prefs for that MIDI input.
Then you have also armed a track (using the same MIDI input than above) and recorded an awesome keys part and used the knob like crazy during the record.
now, play: you just hear the notes what you did with the knob can not be heard (i.e. the VST param is stuck)

Case 2: you have top most number one MIDItoReaControlPath (default settings) on the track:
... for that, you have armed that track with the keyboard as MIDI input ("Control" is disabled in the midi prefs)
Then you have recorded an awesome keys part and used the knob like crazy during the record
now, play: you hear what you recorded, the FX param is grooving like crazy
[/EDIT]


Feel free to post feedback, your own use-case examples, bugs ("if any"), etc..
Jeff

[gofer]

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speechless



WOW! Jeffos, that's a revolution. Definitely checking that one out. Big thanks.

[mabian]

Simply awesome, I still have to try it, but it looks like now I can filter out messages like aftertouch while recording.

And... if it's not currently doing this, is it possible to add a "don't route at all" option for what satisfies criteria?

Anyway, thanx, thanx and thanx!

- Mario

[schwa]

Nice work, Jeffos!

[jbone1313]

Would this by chance allow me to accomplish what I'm asking about in this thread:

Routing a track's MIDI to itself? (Yes, really):

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=42948

[DarkStar]

Originally Posted by gofer

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speechless

WOW! Jeffos, that's a revolution. Definitely checking that one out. Big thanks.

Me too - there's a world of possibilities here.

[nofish]

Originally Posted by Jeffos

- FX params driven at "play time" through recorded midi items

Uhm...feeling a bit dumb.
Could someone give me a step by step example how to do that ?

[paul fenton]

Bravo Jeffos!

If I've correctly understood the implications of this plugin,you've covered ground that I wasn't even able to get into coherent thoughts.This is going to be really useful.

Thank You,
Paul

[irium]

Yes, great idea!!! Will try to use it now! Congrats!!

[DarkStar]

Reaper is scanning the dll (it appears in the reaper VSt_pluigns.ini file) but finds a problem so it does not appear in the FX Browser.

[mabian]

Originally Posted by DarkStar

Reaper is scanning the dll (it appears in the reaper VSt_pluigns.ini file) but finds a problem so it does not appear in the FX Browser.

It works here (though I put the DLL in the Cockos effects folder, where ReaControlMIDI.dll is located).

- Mario

[Jeffos]

Thanks for the kind words!
.. I'm in a rush right now... I'll come back later...

DarkStar, duh!! what is your Win?
I've sucessfully tested that VST on XP sp3 and Vista, r3.12 (in rehearsal condition ;-). If there's an error message, what does it say ?

[EDIT] issue fixed, see post 24

[nofish]

Works fine here.
I dropped it into REAPER/Plugins/FX folder which is different from my main Vst folder, as I didn't want my other hosts to scan it.
(Win XP SP3 Dux build)

Maybe you could try that.

edit:
Just saw mabian put it in the same location, so this should do the trick I guess.

Now if I could only figure out how it works...

(shameless plug, see post #6 )

[zorn]

Great great plugin jeffos thanks a lot !

Originally Posted by Jeffos

Feel free to post feedback, your own use-case examples, bugs ("if any"), etc..
Jeff

FoXY controller (beta) that can use your plugin http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=53383

[Banned]

Originally Posted by Jeffos

OSX users: as I use schwa's IPlug framework (cross-plateform), it should be possible to make a build for you... except that don't own a mac myself (=> if someone can help about that: PM !)

Great stuff Jeffos, big ups!

Since I use both OS X and Windows systems and have the OS X dev stuff installed, I'd sure like to see whether I can help in porting it to OS X. I'm not much of a coder at all, and no promises on time schedules either, but happy to help wherever I can.

PS: Jeffos, your PM inbox is stuffed. :P

[Jeffos]

strunkdts, musicbynumbers, zorn and Banned: thanks to all!

@zorn: I know gave you up about your (excellent) JS, sorry..

@Banned: thanks a lot for your help, but since you don't code and since I don't own a mac, it sounds a bit windy this way Also, since I posted that "request" I learnt there're some issues with AU MIDI output (normal "output", not the control path one: http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=36967). Though, OSX should come here at some point, this will be simplier..

[captain caveman]

Originally Posted by Jeffos

Feel free to post feedback, your own use-case examples....

Firstly, thanks very much for this plugin. The behaviour of moving automation with items was making me nervous in Reaper so this is a great solution!

With FIPM enabled on a track, I am recording passes of FX automation which are recorded into their own items on the same track. I wrote the worlds worst/smallest/most useless plugin to use with it....

https://stash.reaper.fm/v/4912/Control%20Sliders.txt

.... so that I now have 15 Track Presets saved with 15 different channels of pre-MIDI-learned TCP controls which I link FX parameters to with Parameter Modulation.

Like with a lot of things, it's easier to do than to say.

Thanks again.

[aspiringSynthesisingAlch]

Originally Posted by captain caveman

Firstly, thanks very much for this plugin. The behaviour of moving automation with items was making me nervous in Reaper so this is a great solution!

With FIPM enabled on a track, I am recording passes of FX automation which are recorded into their own items on the same track. I wrote the worlds worst/smallest/most useless plugin to use with it....

https://stash.reaper.fm/v/4912/Control%20Sliders.txt

.... so that I now have 15 Track Presets saved with 15 different channels of pre-MIDI-learned TCP controls which I link FX parameters to with Parameter Modulation.

Like with a lot of things, it's easier to do than to say.

Thanks again.

This would make an excellent candidate for a video! easier to do, you say?! hope so!!

[dsalks]

I'm having a problem with this plugin.
When I playback, modulations occur as expected.
But, when I render, the modulations don't occur.

Can anyone else can verify this problem?

Thanks, in advance, for your help.

[Jeffos]

dsalks is talking about a plug that controls another one, link to the original thread:

Originally Posted by dsalks

I need midi cc output from plug-A to control plug-B.
parameter "learn" doesn't work to set this up.
and there's no way to key in the channel & cc.

I replied that MIDIToReaControlPath will do the job (it should be inserted -after- plug-A, on the same track. Then plug-B can be anywhere else) but, about the render issue: yes, confirmed. I think it's normal: REAPER ignores what comes from the control path during (non-realtime) rendering..
What is cool with REAPER is that there's always a solution: in your MIDItoReaControlPath use-case, one possibility would be to use "Save live output to disk" rather than render.

[0xi63n]

Can somebody create a video of things that you can do with this ? I don't understand the excitement...i want to.

I also don't understand what did you do in the animated picture?? pressed stop/pause/play...why do we need it? I probably miss something.

[juliansader]

This is a fantastic plugin! In fact, I think it should be integrated into Reaper as a standard feature.

Unfortunately, it does not seem to work on 64bit Reaper. Are there perhaps any plans for a 64bit build of this plugin?

[XITE-1/4LIVE]

I second the 64bit edition.
I applaud this work too.
I have always used Scope DSP MIDI Devices and external hardware.
Reaper is gaining serious strengths instead of small conveniences.
Bravo...

[mick1]

Hi

not sure if this is what I need

I'm trying to set up auto recording - ie: recording starts as soon as any midi note is played - I had this years ago in DrT KCS on my Atari but have never found it on any DAW since

I'm also trying to find where to download the "Jeff misc action trigger " you show here

many thanks for any help

Mick

[kaboomer13]

None of the links on the first page appear to be working for me. Does anyone know where I can find it (a lot of googling didn't turn up anything).

Thanks,
Ben

[DarkStar]

All 4 links work OK here. Try a different browser? Check you Firewall?

[Loulou92]

right click on the hyperlink you need, "open in new window", then in the new window click at the end of the adress (the adress field of the navigator) click enter. Should download. I had the same problem, non responsive links. hope it helps !