ReaClassical: Open Source Classical Editing Tools for REAPER

[chmaha]

Originally Posted by Justin

Welcome back! Perhaps we should combine your two users so that you can edit your original posts?

That works for me.

[Justin]

Originally Posted by chmaha

That works for me.

Done, let me know if anything ends up funky!

[chmaha]

Originally Posted by vitalker

It's good to hear from you! Anyway we've just had a new update with track item grouping, which, I guess, may be helpful for ReaClassical.

This does seem very useful. Should be very straightforward to link media/razor editing by parent now.

EDIT: I think I still need to rely on my algorithm for grouping items as it seems classical engineers occasionally receive recordings that don't necessarily start or stop at the exact same time. Therefore my script currently groups every item that overlaps at some point. But if there's an API way of adding media/razor grouping afterwards this solves the need for an external script!

EDIT 2: Original post has been updated with new links and latest information.

[Soli Deo Gloria]

Originally Posted by chmaha

I'll keep this as brief as I can (which I realize isn't going to be easy). I'm sorry everyone for the major wobble. It had nothing to do with REAPER developers or moderators. They have always been absolutely wonderful. Neither did it have anything to do with Netflix The truth is that I received some hurtful emails from an outside source and decided rashly in that moment to pack everything in (including deleting my github and reaper forum accounts). I quickly regretted it knowing all the the work I've put in would be for nought and because I truly value the support the community has given me.

Rest assured, I'm continuing to develop ReaClassical and will regularly check this thread for discussion. I will post whenever there are updates. The github repo also has a discussion section if you want to use that (as well as the usual options for issues and pull requests). I promise not to delete the repo in future.

The latest updates are minor ones. I added more guard clauses to ensure there are no unfriendly messages when you try to run some of the scripts without the necessary tracks or items. The major update before that added auto-DDP marker creation based on items. It seems to work quite well but I have something else I'd like to try next. Keymaps have been slightly revised with the one number pad shortcut (Classical Take Record) moved onto the main part of the keyboard (F9) and a shortcut added to quickly switch between 3-point modes (F3).

The major news for Linux users is that I created a one-stop script that downloads and sets up REAPER and ReaClassical to have a fully-operational portable install. Windows and Mac users can use the resource folder method as before (until I figure out various issues dealing with .dmg and .exe). All installation instructions and resource folder archives have been updated to reflect the new keymaps and latest scripts. You'll have to let me know what needs to be configured on first run. Hopefully as simple as setting up your audio device(s).

All information and instructions can be found at https://github.com/chmaha/ReaClassical and https://chmaha.github.io/ReaClassical/. To jump right in, see https://github.com/chmaha/ReaClassic...nstructions.md.

To avoid any thread confusion in future, moving forward probably best just to address me as "chmaha". I have my personal reasons for wanting this and hope that they can be respected. Perhaps one of the moderators would be kind enough to update the links in the first post?

Thanks for coming back with all the wonderful resources, chmaha! I'm really sorry to read about the seemingly horrible experience you've had recently and hope it won't happen again...

[vitalker]

Originally Posted by chmaha

But if there's an API way of adding media/razor grouping afterwards this solves the need for an external script!

Unfortunately for some reason API is not provided for this kind of grouping (yet). Maybe it will change at some point.

[Meo-Ada Mespotine]

Not possible with state-chunking?

[chmaha]

Originally Posted by Meo-Ada Mespotine

Not possible with state-chunking?

I would be interested if you can make it work. All I know having played around with it for an hour or so is that after or alongside setting up mirrored volume, pan leads etc with my "create source groups" script, I'd need to tack on a portion that runs through each track folder and assigns media/razor lead (same group number for all tracks of a folder). When set up manually through the track manager it works a treat!

[Meo-Ada Mespotine]

I'm not experienced with grouping, can you give me a step by step guide on how to set it up with a theoretical project for, let's say, three tracks with one item on each?

I can look then, what changes in the statechunks, if anything changes at all.

Oh, and does the grouping remain, when saving, closing and reopening the project?

I wonder, we might need a ReaClassical-dev-thread for such questions, I think...

[vitalker]

I didn't know, but in Track group manager (View menu, new item) there are two checkboxes. Automatically group for media/razor editing: all tracks / selected tracks. Maybe it somehow could be used.

[Meo-Ada Mespotine]

@chmaha
In 6.72, there have been additions to GetSetTrackGroupMembership():

support GetSetTrackGroupMembership() with "MEDIA_EDIT_LEAD" and "MEDIA_EDIT_FOLLOW"

Could this be, what you are looking for?

[vitalker]

Originally Posted by Meo-Ada Mespotine

@chmaha
In 6.72, there have been additions to GetSetTrackGroupMembership():
Could this be, what you are looking for?

Ah, I was looking in API section and X-Raym's service (https://extremraym.com/cloud/reascript-doc/) didn't show it, so I thought there is still no API. Yes, it is that.

[chmaha]

Originally Posted by Meo-Ada Mespotine

@chmaha
In 6.72, there have been additions to GetSetTrackGroupMembership():
Could this be, what you are looking for?

Sounds like it is! Like @vitalker I pulled up the API help from 6.72 and didn't see it listed.

[Meo-Ada Mespotine]

Yeah, it seems like added to the changelog but not added to the docs.
I just stumbled upon this by sheer coincidence, when updating my docs yesterday.

[vitalker]

Originally Posted by Meo-Ada Mespotine

Yeah, it seems like added to the changelog but not added to the docs.
I just stumbled upon this by sheer coincidence, when updating my docs yesterday.

True seeker!

[chmaha]

Originally Posted by Meo-Ada Mespotine

Yeah, it seems like added to the changelog but not added to the docs.
I just stumbled upon this by sheer coincidence, when updating my docs yesterday.

In the end, I added the feature using "Track: Create new track media/razor editing group from selected tracks"(42578) in the end to take advantage of the fact I was already selecting all tracks of a folder during preparing takes in terms of color.

EDIT: Also need to run "Track: Remove selected tracks from all track media/razor editing groups" first as part of the loop so on repeated preparing of takes (because you might not like the random colors!) the groups don't pile up

[EvilDragon]

Welcome back!

Just a suggestion - maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to get your ReaClassical repository into ReaPack? I'm not sure what it entails, but it would probably be a good thing to have, everything in one place

[chmaha]

Originally Posted by EvilDragon

Welcome back!

Just a suggestion - maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to get your ReaClassical repository into ReaPack? I'm not sure what it entails, but it would probably be a good thing to have, everything in one place

ReaClassical is already in ReaPack in the sense you can import the repo using https://github.com/chmaha/ReaClassic...main/index.xml then search for "ReaClassical". Is that what you meant? I was advised against adding to the ReaTeam repo given how often I update things.

The issue is that the scripts are only part of the deal. For the full experience (keymaps, classical theme to properly hide children when desired etc) I now have the Linux script that does everything to set up and just need to work on MacOS and Windows equivalents (although the pop-up messages even when mounting the dmg using hdiutil attach seem to be a problem ). For Mac/Win, it's pretty simple to download the resource folder archive and follow the instructions.

[chmaha]

NEW v22.12.4 (requires REAPER v6.72):

• Switch to native media/razor track grouping
• Delete reference to an unused function

NEW v22.12.5:

• Add media/razor grouping when duplicating folder

NEW v22.12.6:

• Prepare Takes script removes take names generated due to import/recording of files
• Create CD/DDP Markers now is fully automatic creating CD/DDP markers from item take names

So no need for a background running script to razor edit a folder now

However you like to work by creating a folder (F7), creating source groups (F8), preparing takes (T), syncing fx/routing (F8) or a mix of these commands will result in native track groups for media item/razor editing. Start a razor edit anywhere on/in the folder and hey presto! There should be absolutely zero conflict if you re-run things like prepare takes or sync fx as all media/razor grouping is reconstructed afresh every time. Needless to say, all other grouping in terms of fader, panning, mute, trim is unaffected.

The CD/DPP marker script is quite exciting at this point. Simply add track tiles as take names via media item properties (F2) that are actually going to end up as CD tracks, and press the Y shortcut. Fill in the album metadata et voila...complete ready-to-render CD/DDP markers including the required 2-second initial pregap and @ album metadata at the end of the disc. This is perfect for classical releases where tracks might have lots of S-D edits but you don't want them generating a CD marker. Basically, only add track(take) names to the items you actually want to become tracks on the disc! Prepare Takes now deletes all item take names as part of the process.

Note: The new media item grouping/editing should work perfectly too. However, if you inherit classical take items that don't start and end together cleanly, I still recommend running my Prepare Takes script (T) at some point prior to editing to ensure that overlapping items are grouped as desired. With just the new native grouping, if item starts/ends don't align, sub-optimal choices can be made about where one group ends and another begins. If anything, the colors generated by the script are pretty

Note 2: Be mindful that in order to use the latest script tech you need to be using REAPER v6.72. If you are not willing to upgrade just yet, stick to v22.12.3 of my scripts otherwise there will be breakages.

Thanks devs for adding this native feature!

[chmaha]

NEW v22.12.7 (requires REAPER v6.72+):

• Create CD/DDP Markers: Allow for easter egg tracks in initial pre-gap

What can I say, I've been on a roll today! Unless there are any show-stopping bugs, the Create CD Markers script is at a point I'm entirely happy. If the first item(s) don't have take names, they are included in the initial pre-gap. There's code in the script to ensure that the pre-gap is at least 2 seconds in length. BTW, I kept the number of album metadata labels to a minimum as you can't have blanks. You can always add more after the fact manually or via the cool 3rd-party metadata manager as discussed previously.

Give it a whirl and see what you think. To test:

1. Add some items, either one after the other separated or elided
2. Add take names (F2) only to the items that signify starts of CD tracks...experiment with leaving the first or first several tracks without a take name.
3. Run the Create CD markers script (Y). You should see an initial pre-gap of at least 2 seconds signified by "!", track markers starting with a # followed by the track name, an album metadata marker 1 second after final item and then an =END marker 7 seconds after final item (for silent roll-out -- useful in cars that cycle back to track 1).

Yes, CDs are a dying breed but it seems classical engineers are almost single-handedly keeping the format alive I'm going to have a stab at automatically adding regions in between starts and ends of CD markers (useful for per-track file generating) and then it's time to create some new videos and ensure documentation is updated as much as possible.

[studer58]

Originally Posted by chmaha

…..and then it's time to create some new videos and ensure documentation is updated as much as possible.

Will you create a new repository for your videos now that you’ve vacated the YouTube room, perhaps a non-Google cloud drive type of base ?

[DerTonmeister]

@chmaha I'm not yet a user but it's great to have you back with that approach of classical editing. I'm a broadcast tonmeister, doing classical recordings myself but didn't find enough time to really check out your beautiful tool. Just wanted to say this: Thanks for your massive effort, it's great to have a reaper alternative to sequoia and pyramix.

[chmaha]

Originally Posted by studer58

Will you create a new repository for your videos now that you’ve vacated the YouTube room, perhaps a non-Google cloud drive type of base ?

I'm looking into YouTube alternatives like Odysee at present. If none offer what YouTube did, I'll reconsider going to the dark side.

Originally Posted by Gass n Klang

@chmaha I'm not yet a user but it's great to have you back with that approach of classical editing. I'm a broadcast tonmeister, doing classical recordings myself but didn't find enough time to really check out your beautiful tool. Just wanted to say this: Thanks for your massive effort, it's great to have a reaper alternative to sequoia and pyramix.

Good to hear from you and thanks. If you have any questions, comments or suggestions don't hesitate to let me know.

[vitalker]

Originally Posted by chmaha

I'm looking into YouTube alternatives like Odysee at present. If none offer what YouTube did, I'll reconsider going to the dark side.

What an alternative should be able to do? And why yt is the dark side?

[Tod]

Originally Posted by vitalker

And why yt is the dark side?

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Sorry vitalker, I'm also looking for an alternative.

And thank you chmaha, I didn't know about Odysee, I'm going to have to look into it.

[chmaha]

Originally Posted by vitalker

What an alternative should be able to do? And why yt is the dark side?

Basically it should be YouTube without the privacy concerns. I think that answers both questions In all seriousness, something that allows unlimited uploading, hi-res playback, ease of adding metadata and background info underneath the video, some basic stats etc, and, yes, ideally no ads.

[dom64]

Just for FYI.... Brave browser is quite useful - I don't watch interuptive ads on youtube because it has a built in adblocker. . . same with Spotify.
I can't bare that shit. Although.... Brave is made by humans, and so has had it's own ethical questions posed. Ah well.

[vitalker]

Originally Posted by Tod

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Sorry vitalker, I'm also looking for an alternative.

And thank you chmaha, I didn't know about Odysee, I'm going to have to look into it.

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[vitalker]

Originally Posted by chmaha

Basically it should be YouTube without the privacy concerns. I think that answers both questions In all seriousness, something that allows unlimited uploading, hi-res playback, ease of adding metadata and background info underneath the video, some basic stats etc, and, yes, ideally no ads.

Telegram should be your choice then, but unfortunately for bigger videos you should have an account to watch them. You'd need to create a public (or private, if you wish) channel and no one would know it is you. You could post any videos there you want and write posts.
The only drawback it needs a phone number for registering, but you could use some virtual number.

Another non-social-media platforms are:
https://doodstream.com/
https://filemoon.to/
https://streamsb.com/
https://streamtape.to/

If you for some reason still wants youtube-like alternatives, then here are some of them (Odysee among them)
https://alternativeto.net/software/y...rivacy-focused

[vitalker]

Originally Posted by dom64

Just for FYI.... Brave browser is quite useful - I don't watch interuptive ads on youtube because it has a built in adblocker. . . same with Spotify.
I can't bare that shit. Although.... Brave is made by humans, and so has had it's own ethical questions posed. Ah well.

Well I can't say it's bad, but you can just use uBlock origin in any browser. On some sites Brave's adblocker causes unworking parts of pages, so you have to disable it. WIth uBlock origin it happens much less often.

[studer58]

Originally Posted by chmaha

Basically it should be YouTube without the privacy concerns. I think that answers both questions In all seriousness, something that allows unlimited uploading, hi-res playback, ease of adding metadata and background info underneath the video, some basic stats etc, and, yes, ideally no ads.

However, this listing suggests it was bought/taken over by Google in Feb 2015 ?

https://www.crunchbase.com/organizat...rview_timeline
https://www.zdnet.com/article/google...to-app-odysee/

[vitalker]

Originally Posted by studer58

However, this listing suggests it was bought/taken over by Google in Feb 2015 ?

https://www.crunchbase.com/organizat...rview_timeline
https://www.zdnet.com/article/google...to-app-odysee/

Yes, but it's not THE Odysee
The article you linked to mentions "photo platform Odysee", which is not what THE Odysee is.

https://www.reddit.com/r/lbry/commen...e_owns_odysee/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LBRY

LBRY's creators also created Odysee, an open-source video-sharing website that uses the network, and that was split into a separate company on October 1, 2021. Video platforms built on LBRY, such as Odysee, have been described as decentralized alternatives to YouTube. The company has described Odysee and other platforms it has built utilizing its LBRY protocol as platforms for free speech and lightly moderates content, including removing pornography or the promotion of violence and terrorism. LBRY's CEO is Jeremy Kauffman, a libertarian activist who was inspired to create LBRY to "provide people with choices for content," implicitly critical of the curated choices provided by YouTube

It would be pretty odd for Google to create a platform and say it's and alternative to their service.
I mean sure, they could do it, but that wouldn't make sense.

[chmaha]

Updated PDF guide is available.

Fingers crossed all links point to the right places and information is current FYI, I recently moved the listing of the custom keyboard shortcuts to appendix C of the guide.

[Meo-Ada Mespotine]

Is Vimeo dark side too?

[chmaha]

Originally Posted by Meo-Ada Mespotine

Is Vimeo dark side too?

According to this site I trust, it isn't mentioned: https://www.privacytools.io/youtube-alternatives. I'd have to do some more digging but I think I discounted Vimeo for other reasons.

[DerTonmeister]

Originally Posted by chmaha

Good to hear from you and thanks. If you have any questions, comments or suggestions don't hesitate to let me know.

nice!
1) In sequoia there is a window that shows the next take number. I'm missing that quite a lot. Did you find a solution for that?

2) Is it possible to integrate your system into an existing reaper config? I'm working in many different genres so it would be nice to get that integrated in my config.

[vitalker]

Originally Posted by chmaha

According to this site I trust, it isn't mentioned: https://www.privacytools.io/youtube-alternatives. I'd have to do some more digging but I think I discounted Vimeo for other reasons.

Did you see my comment about all the options?

[vitalker]

Originally Posted by Gass n Klang

nice!
1) In sequoia there is a window that shows the next take number. I'm missing that quite a lot. Did you find a solution for that?

2) Is it possible to integrate your system into an existing reaper config? I'm working in many different genres so it would be nice to get that integrated in my config.

1) If you could specify, I could write a script.

[DerTonmeister]

Originally Posted by vitalker

1) If you could specify, I could write a script.

Reaper's recordings are named by the settings/wildcards set in the global preference. There is a $recpass wildcard which is as far as I know static and can't be manipulated.
Sequoia is different: There is a "take window" that basically shows "take name: NAME NUMBER". You can freely rename both, name and number. So it can be "take name: general rehearsal 01". If you stop, the number will increase by +1 for the next take. You even could start with "general rehearsal 155" if you wanted. The number automatically increases as soon as you stop the recording. So while recording you see the current take and if you stop you see the next take number. It's a project based setting, no global.

I think for reaper a nice solution could be: Respect the filename format given in the preferences and add a suffix that can be set up project based. So we have files that could be named like "$tracknumber $track $takename $takenumber" ("01 violin CONCERT 005").

I think there will be a native behaviour as soon as "playlists" are implemented in reaper (there was an immature feature branch in previous .dev versions). So perhaps we just should discuss the best way of naming takes to make a feature request as soon as the playlist feature finds its way back into the .dev versions.

[vitalker]

Originally Posted by Gass n Klang

I think there will be a native behaviour as soon as "playlists" are implemented in reaper (there was an immature feature branch in previous .dev versions). So perhaps we just should discuss the best way of naming takes to make a feature request as soon as the playlist feature finds its way back into the .dev versions.

Yeah, maybe it's the best way. Remember to be persistent, so the devs understand the feature may be useful.

[chmaha]

Originally Posted by Gass n Klang

nice!
1) In sequoia there is a window that shows the next take number. I'm missing that quite a lot. Did you find a solution for that?

2) Is it possible to integrate your system into an existing reaper config? I'm working in many different genres so it would be nice to get that integrated in my config.

I never needed a window for next take number when I was using Sequoia and Pyramix so it hadn't crossed my mind. Sounds like a native solution is best for this but I can give it some thought. FYI, on a related note, you can make the timeline red when recording if you miss the red light in Pyramix by using SWS: Toggle ruler red while recording

As for integrating the system into an existing REAPER config...sure. You could follow the manual installation steps in the PDF guide and pick and choose what you need. To be honest, as long as you import the ReaClassical repo into REAPER you are most of the way there. You could assign your own shortcuts or download the archive and pick and choose keymaps, theme that allows properly collapsed folders etc: https://github.com/chmaha/ReaClassic..._install_files. I've just unzipped that folder so you can select what you want as per the guide. Hope that helps. Depending on how customized your current REAPER install is, it might be even easier to create a ReaClassical portable install and add in your previous tweaks? Portable or not portable shouldn't make a slightest bit of difference to performance.

Originally Posted by vitalker

Did you see my comment about all the options?

Yes, thanks! I hadn't gotten around to checking them out but some look very promising.