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12-26-2017, 06:36 AM
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"pitch" vs "pitch bend"
The terms are used inconistently:
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"pitch bend"
event list
"pitch"
event properties
Please use "pitch bend" on all occurencies.
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12-26-2017, 11:51 AM
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What do we refer to when we want to find just "pitch" with no reference to actually bending anything? Your event properties example is a classic use of it and one that I use all the time.
Not that easy. There are a lot more things you can do with pitch than apply bends.
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12-26-2017, 01:07 PM
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pitch is the note value in the range 0..127. (events are note on and note off)
pitch bend is another event type using 14-bit range, with this we are bending the above to get inbetween frequencies between those 0..127 values, it depends on the maximum bend setting, like 12 would bend maximum one octave up and down.
Here a nice overview:
http://home.snafu.de/sicpaul/midi/midi3.htm
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12-26-2017, 01:17 PM
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And of course if we include all the other NON-MIDI uses of "pitch" the choices multiply even more, especially since the term "pitch" in relation to an actual musical note predates MIDI by centuries. .
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12-26-2017, 05:49 PM
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Yep, to me "pitch" means frequency. And I usually measure it in Hertz. Conventional equal tempered note names are a specialised use of the word and MIDI note numbers even more specialised.
But I only use "pitch bend" when I mean a change in frequency. It's something I've been known to do quite often on guitars and very often on my sitar with no MIDI involved in any way.
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12-27-2017, 11:46 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TonE
pitch is the note value in the range 0..127. (events are note on and note off)
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Usually called MIDI note number - at least within Reaper.
Anyway, my point is that if the label refers to MIDI pitch bend events it should say so. Alternately using "pitch" and "pitch bend" for the same MIDI event is confusing.
Of course Reaper could also use only "pitch", but as this thread clearly shows this too vague.
If "pitch" refers to a MIDI note then perhaps "pitch (note #)" makes it absolutely clear.
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12-28-2017, 03:14 AM
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Sorry but I really am not understanding what you are trying to say here.
As things are at the moment, pitch bend is only used to describe use of the pitch bend controller and pitch is used to refer to either the note number of a Midi note or the actual pitch or frequency or musical scale letter of a regular note.
No ambiguity there as far as I am concerned.
I am guessing that I am missing something else here, but you ARE going to need to explain better to get your point across, I think.
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12-28-2017, 04:07 AM
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pitch, range 0..127
pitchclass, range 0..11 (within a single octave)
pitch bend, well bending the above 0..127 note depending on bendmax setting
frequency, human hearable 20..20k Hz, the vibration speed of air per second
Those are classical terms you will find in many places. Ok, one more
onset, this is the official term for note on time
duration, note off - onset gives duration of note
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12-28-2017, 05:40 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Masi
Anyway, my point is that if the label refers to MIDI pitch bend events it should say so. Alternately using "pitch" and "pitch bend" for the same MIDI event is confusing.
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You're obviously confusing several of us here. Perhaps you can tell us exactly when and where you have seen "pitch" and "pitch bend" used to mean the same thing. I can't recall any cases so is it really all that common?
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12-28-2017, 06:20 AM
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12-28-2017, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by slipstick
You're obviously confusing several of us here. Perhaps you can tell us exactly when and where you have seen "pitch" and "pitch bend" used to mean the same thing.
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Sure, see my thread starter. In the event list (MIDI editor) "pitch bend" is used. But when you open the event property dialog the "type" drop down lists "pitch".
Also the "MIDI link" submenu of the parameter modulation has "pitch". Sidenote: the submenu has "aftertouch", but in the MIDI standard both "polyphonic key pressure" and "channel pressure" are called "aftertouch".
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12-28-2017, 06:21 PM
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OK as far as all the aftertouch etc stuff is concerned you are correct - this has been raised before and is a perfectly reasonable point to make.
Hopefully it will be addressed along with a few other minor labelling hiccups sooner rahter than later.
Your initial post is what has led to all the confusion and I can`t help but think that it is because you still don`t seem to understand the basic terms Pitch and Pitch Bend in any musical context. They really ARE two entirely different things and as such need to be differentiated in the way that they are.
Unless you have come up with an entirely new and different way of interpreting them that you want us to adopt?
Help us all out here and clarify.
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12-29-2017, 10:11 AM
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Isn't it just what I have illustrated in my screenshots above? Or is there more to Masi's question?
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12-30-2017, 03:03 AM
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Sorry DS but you pic is so damn small even on my 23" monitor I cant really see enough to see the point you are making. Maybe I should get better glasses or a bigger monitor... *sigh* Hate getting old.
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12-30-2017, 09:39 AM
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or click the link to the right
It shows that "Pitch" is used in the Controller lane and "Pitch Bend" in the Event List.
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01-03-2018, 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ivansc
Your initial post is what has led to all the confusion and I can`t help but think that it is because you still don`t seem to understand the basic terms Pitch and Pitch Bend in any musical context. They really ARE two entirely different things and as such need to be differentiated in the way that they are.
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Of course they are.
And DarkStar's image clearly (please zoom in) shows where there is the labelling glitch. The very same MIDI CC is at one time called "pitch" (which is always wrong because it's not a frequency - CC lane) and another time "pitch bend" (correct in musical terms and MIDI naming - event list view).
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01-03-2018, 05:16 AM
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Glad we have that cleared up. But I can't help but think that if your original message had included some words like "in the MIDI Editor..." then we wouldn't have had all the confusion.
Steve
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01-03-2018, 05:43 AM
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Aha! Sorry we all wasted so much bandwidth babbling. You are of course right.
Been lots of posts on here over the years on the lines of "why cant we have a brief stop on new features and fix some of the longstanding niggles"
Unfortunately developing cool new code is always going to be more fun.
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01-03-2018, 02:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ivansc
Been lots of posts on here over the years on the lines of "why cant we have a brief stop on new features and fix some of the longstanding niggles"
Unfortunately developing cool new code is always going to be more fun.
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Cockos needs an intern. But as Reaper is cheap it, it will have to be an unpaid internship.
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03-15-2018, 03:14 PM
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in Parameter Modulation -> Link from MIDI or FX parameter -> MIDI, please rename Pitch to Pitch Bend. I just spent a lot of time trying to figure out why my param wasn't responding to midi notes pitches.
And maybe, add a real Pitch option.
Thanks !
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