Old 02-25-2020, 07:12 PM   #1
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Default Create pooled copy of AUDIO item

Not sure if this can already be done, but I don't think so. I think the pooled copy of an item relates only to MIDI items, not Audio items.

If I'm placing a bunch of snare audio items for example in my arranger, I'd like the ability to create pooled copies of each hit so that if I adjust the position of one item, all others in the same relative beat position will also be adjusted.

It makes for allowing fine adjustments to be made to taste, when not using a sequencer to drive the sequence.

Another way this function can be achieved at present is by selecting all the items in the same relative beat position and creating an item group from them. But this is not practical as you would first have to select each individual item across your project that you want to be adjusted together when you adjust one.
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Old 02-26-2020, 01:16 AM   #2
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search for the "propagate" in actions. This will help you to copy adjustments to all similar items in track or in all project.
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Old 02-26-2020, 02:36 AM   #3
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+1 pooled audio items would be great that could pool take envelopes and strech markers as well!
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Old 02-26-2020, 07:26 AM   #4
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I think the pooled copy of an item relates only to MIDI items, not Audio items.
If you consider a single audio-clip only you can do a pooled copy. Changes of
this audio-clip can be transfered by "propagating".

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If I'm placing a bunch of snare audio items for example in my arranger, I'd like the ability to create pooled copies of each hit so that if I adjust the position of one item, all others in the same relative beat position will also be adjusted.
If you consider a whole set of audio-clips, which have certain relative
positions and fades, there is NO easy way to have all these pool-copied
together as a "set".

The problem is discussed here with some pictures.
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Old 02-26-2020, 10:07 AM   #5
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I'd like the ability to create pooled copies of each hit so that if I adjust the position of one item, all others in the same relative beat position will also be adjusted.
Item Grouping?
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Old 02-26-2020, 10:39 AM   #6
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Item Grouping?
Hey Kenny. Thank you for your helpful and informative vids.

Item grouping could technically work, but bear in mind a typical use for pooled audio items - a vocal (or any) comp. Say you have items A, B, C and D, one after the other on a track forming your vocal comp. When this is copied and pooled then a fade/tuning adjustment to item 'B' should also only effect item 'B' on the corresponding pooled item, so grouping the whole lot wouldn't work.

You could technically get around this by manually grouping all corresponding items from the original comp the copied one (A to A, B to B etc), but you'd have to do it post copy, one by one, so it's not a simple workaround, especially for a long and complex multitrack drum comp, for example.

What would be very cool would be something like 'live' subprojects. I'm imagining a feature where we could wrap a group of items up as a subproject (just like we can now) but instead of opening in a new tab, it opens docked (or floating) WITHIN the current project. This subproject is running 'live', so it doesn't need to be rendered before updating it's copies, you can copy this subproject 'item' across the timeline to wherever you need it, and any changes made to one will automatically be made to the all other copies too, just like a pooled audio item. However this would be more flexible then a pooled audio item, because a pooled/live subproject could contain multiple tracks and complex routing chains. The only disadvantage compared to current 'offline' subprojects is that you lose the CPU gain from taking those tracks offline, but the workflow boost could be immense.

EDIT: I just noticed your response was to a specific query Kenny, and you weren't suggesting item grouping could do the work of pooled audio items. My bad.
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Old 02-26-2020, 02:11 PM   #7
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Item Grouping?
Item grouping only works by assigning existing items to a group. I want the ability to create a pooled 'copy', and every time that item gets pasted after that, it will always be part of that pool. (just like pooled MIDI copies, or automation items)
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Old 02-28-2020, 01:00 PM   #8
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What would be very cool would be something like 'live' subprojects.
I'm imagining a feature where we could wrap a group of items up as
a subproject (just like we can now), but instead of opening in a new
tab, it opens docked (or floating) WITHIN the current project.

This "subproject" is running 'live', so it doesn't need to be
rendered before updating it's copies, you can copy this subproject
'item' across the timeline to wherever you need it, and any changes
made to one will automatically be made to the all other copies too,
just like a pooled audio item.
Good description!
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