SWS Extension Updates

[AdamWathan]

Originally Posted by timlloyd

Yes!

However - this bodes well for an SWS feature request pertaining to non-contiguous area selection.

Using the same "code" that draws the SWS zoom marquee, there could be some new behaviour added.

Holding a modifier (different to the zoom-modifier) and middle-button dragging could now draw the marquee over items. On mouse-up the marquee stays there, and if the user clicks inside the marquee, all items under the marquee are split at the beginning and end points. A click-drag would split the same way, but immediately the items would drag following the mouse cursor. Easy - Logic-style marquee selection editing.

For non-contiguous: Same modifier_middle-button drag-selection, but if the user then does the same again in a different place, the previous selection remains along with the new marquee selection. A click would then split all items at beginning and end of each marquee. If the user held the SWS-marquee-select modifier and click-dragged one of the marquee selections, it would split and move all non-contiguous selections. If no modifier is held, then the click/click-drag only applies to the marquee under the mouse cursor.

There's probably some inconsistencies in that rushed explanation............but...........it seems that the SWS guys could make this happen.

Thoughts?

*shhhhhh it would be better to have it native, don't convince the evil Cockos crew to abandon it and leave it all on Tim!*

[timlloyd]

right you are - my lips are sealed and fingers frozen

[Kundalinguist]

My lips are frozen too. It's Canada.

[usas]

I noticed the zoom tool doesn't work in the midi editor?
Is that correct?

[sfb]

Sorry for the ignorant question - how do you use the marquee zoom on OSX? I don't see the action listed in the help menu and I'm using a magic mouse.

I downloaded the latest version, which says: Version 1.8.2 Build #3 built on Oct 20, 2010

Thanks!

-sfb

[zappsunzorn]

Originally Posted by sfb

Sorry for the ignorant question - how do you use the marquee zoom on OSX? I don't see the action listed in the help menu and I'm using a magic mouse.

I downloaded the latest version, which says: Version 1.8.2 Build #3 built on Oct 20, 2010

Thanks!

-sfb

Not implemented yet

Originally Posted by sws

The zoom tool took a bit of OS-specific hacking to work. (Specifically, drawing transparently on top of Reaper's main window.) The hack doesn't work in OSX, although I've been trying to find a workaround.

In the meantime, since I thought this was a pretty neat little feature, I decided to release it as Windows-only, as opposed to not releasing it at all.

Apologies, and I do feel there's a chance that you OSX guys will get a less-flashy version here pretty soon.

Edit: Oh wait

v1.8.2 #4 (October 20, 2010)

Zoom tool for OSX!

[AdamWathan]

It is actually implemented, just search the actions list for "Zoom Tool". The cursor doesn't change or anything but as you click and drag you will see an area selection happen around where you are trying to zoom. Also go to the Extensions menu and open the "SWS Zoom Preferences" for more options, including mapping it by default to the middle mouse button.

[sws]

Originally Posted by usas

I noticed the zoom tool doesn't work in the midi editor?
Is that correct?

That's correct.

Originally Posted by sfb

I downloaded the latest version, which says: Version 1.8.2 Build #3 built on Oct 20, 2010

The latest version is 1.8.2 build #6. Restart your browser and try again!

[sfb]

Originally Posted by sws

That's correct.



The latest version is 1.8.2 build #6. Restart your browser and try again!

I've tried 5 more times - redownloaded, reinstalled, rebooted, etc. The dylib file's timestamp is Oct 22, but the version that shows up in Reaper still claims to be from Oct 20, build #3.

I'm using 64-bit Reaper on OSX - is that possibly the problem?

Thanks!

- sfb

[usas]

Originally Posted by sws

That's correct.
!

Too bad..I would love to use the zoom tool when editing midi!

[sws]

Originally Posted by sfb

I'm using 64-bit Reaper on OSX - is that possibly the problem?

sfb, that is the problem! Many apologies for your troubles, please redownload now and you will have the latest version, complete with the zoom tool. (Thanks Adam for testing )

[nofish]

Originally Posted by usas

Too bad..I would love to use the zoom tool when editing midi!

No doubt about that.
Just wanted to mention that it took me quite long to discover the already available two Midi actions "Fit view to content" and "Fit view to loop selection" (or similar) which I put on a custom button in my Midi editor which helps me quite a bit when editing Midi.

Just thought I'd throw that in, sorry for slightly off topic.

And of course thanks SWS team, you simply rock !

[Subz]

http://www.standingwaterstudios.com/shup/zoomTool4.gif


Amazing!!!

Thank You!!!

Subz

[sfb]

Originally Posted by sws

sfb, that is the problem! Many apologies for your troubles, please redownload now and you will have the latest version, complete with the zoom tool. (Thanks Adam for testing )

Brilliant - it's working now! Many thanks for the fix, sws.

Is anyone else using a Magic Mouse? I'm using "BetterTouchTool" to achieve a middle-click, but am finding it quite tricky to get the selection and drag to behave correctly. I usually have to try a few times before it will perform the marquee zoom instead of a time selection.

[Kundalinguist]

The "fix" is in.

[Susan G]

Hi sfb-

Originally Posted by sfb

Brilliant - it's working now! Many thanks for the fix, sws.

Is anyone else using a Magic Mouse? I'm using "BetterTouchTool" to achieve a middle-click, but am finding it quite tricky to get the selection and drag to behave correctly. I usually have to try a few times before it will perform the marquee zoom instead of a time selection.

I don't have a "true" middle-click on my trackball either (see post #834), so I've been using "Zoom tool (marquee)" bound to Z as a substitute. It seems to work the same then with a left drag as middle-click + drag, and is more comfortable for me.

-Susan

[sws]

Originally Posted by Susan G

It seems to work the same then with a left drag as middle-click + drag, and is more comfortable for me.

Yes, the behavior is identical either way, as designed.

[Susan G]

Originally Posted by sws

Yes, the behavior is identical either way, as designed.

Thanks for confirming -- good design choice! I always cringe a little when I see "Middle-click"!

-Susan

[Kundalinguist]

I keep giving Reaper the middle finger, but it won't zoom.

[P.S. Sue, you inspired me to change zoom to "Z". There it was, in front of me all the time. ]

[AdamWathan]

Added a couple of actions to the extensions, here is probably the coolest of the bunch:

SWS/AdamWathan: Fade in/out/crossfade selected area of selected items

Basically just replaces 95% of the fade actions in Reaper with one intelligent action that does different things depending on context. Here's a sort of overview video explaining how it works:

http://www.adamwathan.com/reaper/AWintellifade.swf

It's very much like the Pro Tools "fade" action, so any converts will be happy to have this one.

Also added these three:

SWS/AdamWathan: Play/Stop (automatically group simultaneously recorded items)
This replaces a macro I used to use to speed up item grouping but does it in a more "safe" way. Basically all it does is automatically group any items that were recorded at the same time when you hit stop. So if you are recording 12 channels of drums, each time you record those 12 new items will be grouped when you hit stop making it easier to edit the multi-mic'd source. This action replaces the regular "Transport: Play/Stop" for me.

SWS/AdamWathan: Record (conditional...)
This sets the record mode differently depending on if a time selection exists. So if you hit record and there's no time selection, it records in normal mode. If there is a time selection when you hit record, it'll automatically switch to time selection auto punch mode. Basically another Pro Tools clone action and a huge time saver/workflow improver.

SWS/AdamWathan: Select to end of project (items and time selection)
Just creates a selection from the cursor to the end of project, selecting all items in that selection on selected tracks. Good for when you need to move an item to the right and move every item after it as well so you don't chop off the beginning of the next item and stuff like that. Another Pro Tools ported action

[Bevosss]

Originally Posted by AdamWathan

SWS/AdamWathan: Fade in/out/crossfade selected area of selected items

Dude, beautiful! And simple, one key binding rules...testing now, I'll let you know if I break anything, looking good so far.

Cheers!

[AdamWathan]

Originally Posted by Bevosss

Dude, beautiful! And simple, one key binding rules...testing now, I'll let you know if I break anything, looking good so far.

Cheers!

Please let me know if you do! I've been testing, debugging, retesting, etc. for 3 days, haha... Trying to identify every possible situation and what is the best expected behavior in each situation :S

Let me know if you find anything to be unintuitive, have any suggestions for improvement or find some circumstance where it buggers up!

[JHughes]

Dang, that's almost mad scientist stuff. I'll just have to remember to not try and do anything weird.

Thanks for expanding the realms of possibility Adam.

[Bevosss]

One thing Adam, the part where it crossfades automatically any splits in selected items...is it possible to get that to work on items butted up together as well, as in if you pasted or duplicated items back to back? It only crossfades on split items here, butted up ones have the default fade applied.

I can see the logic for it, but I'd love to have a way to auto-crossfade multiple close-proximity or overlapping unsplit items also, if it's in your power. Cheers!

[fredoreo]

Originally Posted by AdamWathan

Added a couple of actions to the extensions, here is probably the coolest of the bunch:

SWS/AdamWathan: Fade in/out/crossfade selected area of selected items

Basically just replaces 95% of the fade actions in Reaper with one intelligent action that does different things depending on context. Here's a sort of overview video explaining how it works:

http://www.adamwathan.com/reaper/AWintellifade.swf

It's very much like the Pro Tools "fade" action, so any converts will be happy to have this one.

Also added these three:

SWS/AdamWathan: Play/Stop (automatically group simultaneously recorded items)
This replaces a macro I used to use to speed up item grouping but does it in a more "safe" way. Basically all it does is automatically group any items that were recorded at the same time when you hit stop. So if you are recording 12 channels of drums, each time you record those 12 new items will be grouped when you hit stop making it easier to edit the multi-mic'd source. This action replaces the regular "Transport: Play/Stop" for me.

SWS/AdamWathan: Record (conditional...)
This sets the record mode differently depending on if a time selection exists. So if you hit record and there's no time selection, it records in normal mode. If there is a time selection when you hit record, it'll automatically switch to time selection auto punch mode. Basically another Pro Tools clone action and a huge time saver/workflow improver.

SWS/AdamWathan: Select to end of project (items and time selection)
Just creates a selection from the cursor to the end of project, selecting all items in that selection on selected tracks. Good for when you need to move an item to the right and move every item after it as well so you don't chop off the beginning of the next item and stuff like that. Another Pro Tools ported action

Great stuff Adam! This is extremely helpful!

[AdamWathan]

Originally Posted by Bevosss

One thing Adam, the part where it crossfades automatically any splits in selected items...is it possible to get that to work on items butted up together as well, as in if you pasted or duplicated items back to back? It only crossfades on split items here, butted up ones have the default fade applied.

I can see the logic for it, but I'd love to have a way to auto-crossfade multiple close-proximity or overlapping unsplit items also, if it's in your power. Cheers!

Yup it's just a matter of changing the tolerance for what are considered adjacent items, the items you are talking about probably have a secret tiny gap technically... Can you post an RPP? I'll check it out and change the value based on whatever I find.

[theo]

hello is there a way that the track color changes when i change the track function
i create a new mono audi default mode is say: green
when i make a midi of it it will become red
when i make a stereo track of it it will become blue
when i make a stereo aux track of it it will become yellow
when i make a groupmaster of it it will become......orange
master track ........... red
etc
so to say the color is defined with the sort of track you make of it
and that in every session that i start
i can do it manually now but asked myself if it could be automated or saved as a preference

[AdamWathan]

Bevoss, try the latest build, SWS just updated it now. Should solve that issue!

I found that when duplicating items, sometimes they were up to 0.00000000005 seconds apart, hehe... So the tolerance has been increased now to a value that is hopefully high enough to avoid that problem!

[musicbynumbers]

was going to ask if the below situation could create a fade at the start and the end (as the picture shows) as right now your fade function does nothing in this situation. would you find that a useful addition?

It's greatfor certain edits in film fx etc..

[vseanv]

Sorry if this has been discussed, but I was just curious how in the video demo you are able to make a time selection and select an item at the same time?

Thanks guys!

[AdamWathan]

Originally Posted by musicbynumbers

was going to ask if the below situation could create a fade at the start and the end (as the picture shows) as right now your fade function does nothing in this situation. would you find that a useful addition?

It's greatfor certain edits in film fx etc..

Ah that's interesting! So basically, if the time selection is completely contained inside of an item, adjust the fade in and fade out so that any unselected area of the item is fading and only the selected area is preserved at the initial volume?

How would this behave here?


Would it obey what you've presented and just screw up that crossfade? Or would it behave differently depending on if that item on the right was selected or not...?


The other thing I was considering adding was if you place the edit cursor inside an item and that item is selected, create a fade in or fade out to the edit cursor depending on if the edit cursor is left or right of the center line in the item...

It just gets really really tricky getting all this behavior to work properly when you start adding in multiple selections and pre-existing crossfades! :/ But I really want it to do everything and be as complete as possible so I'll figure it out somehow

[AdamWathan]

Originally Posted by vseanv

Sorry if this has been discussed, but I was just curious how in the video demo you are able to make a time selection and select an item at the same time?

Thanks guys!

Here you go:



This preference is mandatory if you are trying to do any sort of reasonably efficient editing in Reaper... Without it, pretty much any sort of selection based editing is extremely long winded :/

[plush2]

I'm being constantly amazed lately with what you all are doing with these extensions.

Adam, the alternate record that you've created is perfect for the combination of straight record mode and selection record mode. Would it be impossible to make it disengage when item record mode is selected? I often use all three record modes and your action would make life a lot easier except it doesn't like item record mode. If this is complicated to do I'm happy to just go back to the standard command.

[lowellben]

Adam = GENIUS

[AdamWathan]

Originally Posted by musicbynumbers

was going to ask if the below situation could create a fade at the start and the end (as the picture shows) as right now your fade function does nothing in this situation. would you find that a useful addition?

It's greatfor certain edits in film fx etc..

Think I've got it going!

http://www.adamwathan.com/reaper/mbnfadeupdate.swf

Got a couple other things I want to try adding as well as a little bit of bug testing to do before I commit it to the extensions though. Let me know if this looks like it does what you'd expect!

[AdamWathan]

Originally Posted by plush2

I'm being constantly amazed lately with what you all are doing with these extensions.

Adam, the alternate record that you've created is perfect for the combination of straight record mode and selection record mode. Would it be impossible to make it disengage when item record mode is selected? I often use all three record modes and your action would make life a lot easier except it doesn't like item record mode. If this is complicated to do I'm happy to just go back to the standard command.

Thanks!

Ok, so just to verify, you want it to check if "auto punch selected items" mode is enabled, and if it is, just record normally, don't change the mode until you manually exit item punch mode yourself? Let me know if that sounds right and I can tweak it for that behavior, no problem!

[Reflected]

Originally Posted by AdamWathan

SWS/AdamWathan: Record (conditional...)
This sets the record mode differently depending on if a time selection exists. So if you hit record and there's no time selection, it records in normal mode. If there is a time selection when you hit record, it'll automatically switch to time selection auto punch mode. Basically another Pro Tools clone action and a huge time saver/workflow improver.

useful
thanks!

[Reflected]

kinda glitchy:
Middle button on the item to zoom in
Middle button on empty area or on the timeline to undo the zoom (bam..weird)

[img]http://img541.**************/img541/5728/81828576.gif[/img]

[AdamWathan]

Okay new and improved fade action... Potential for bugs though, like I can think of things in my head that may or may not cause problems but the code is so dense with so much crap in there I can't figure out if they need to be fixed or if there's no situation where a bug would actually occur, just hurting my brain, hah... So once I commit this, people need to do some experimenting and get back to me when something screwed up happens!

Here's a new vid focusing on the added features:

http://www.adamwathan.com/reaper/AWuberfade.swf

I think it handles pretty much every fade in/out/crossfade related scenario EVER now, all from one action. It rules.

[The Spark]

Originally Posted by lowellben

Adam = GENIUS

Seriously.

Awesome work Adam!