ReaInsert Supposed to work Parallel

[orbiterred]

Running out to a stereo compressor on my 2buss.

I have reainsert set to 100% wet.

I was thinking that when I cut the output (return) things should go quiet.

Right now the return fader just blends the signal in, i'd like to go straight through it like any other plugin.

Any tips?

[mschnell]

While I have no idea what a "2bus" is, mixing the wet and dry signals of some outboard device will likely result in phasing due to the D/A-A/D hardware delay.

Obviously you did the routing in Reaper so that the outboard device (i.e. ReaInsert) is a parallel effect and not a serial effect.

-Michael

[orbiterred]

2buss = master buss.

Yes obviously there is phasing because of the parallel processing.

Reainsert is operating in Parallel... i'd like to know how to get it to *not* do that, which is why I am asking the question there captain obvious :P

[mschnell]

Originally Posted by orbiterred

2buss = master buss.

I don't understand "master Bus", either .

I do have a Master fader, and same of course does have an FX chain. Is this what you mean ?

In the FX chain by default the plugins are passed one after the other, so no phasing should occur and unplugging the device should result in silence or buzz. But it is possible to do "pin routing" in the FX chain to do complex routing stuff with multiple plugins by mans of up to 64 parallel channels.

-Michael

[orbiterred]

yes, the "master fader" is commonly referred to as the master buss or 2buss.

The reainsert plugin is not acting as you describe (which is how I thought it should work as well).

It is acting as a "blend" whereby I pass a signal through it but if i turn down the return volume on the plugin instead of completely silencing the signal I can hear the original signal without any of the signal that is passing through the compressor.

Not how I want it work work.

I will look into the PIN things but I am just wondering if the ReaInsert plugin is designed to work in Parallel and not in series.

[domzy]

have you got your send outputs set up correctly? ie using two additional outputs for the sends & not using your main pair?

[EpicSounds]

it's possible to run a stereo compressor on the master bus through ReaInsert without phase issues.

My best guess on the trouble you're having is that outside or reaper you're monitoring input 3-4 and that's why you're hearing it even when the plugin return volume is down.

" Yes obviously there is phasing because of the parallel processing."

reainsert has delay compensation built in. When used correctly you should be able to put the mix knob at 50% and hear no delay or phase issues between the original and compressed signal. We tested this quite a lot before 5.0 release.

[pepe44]

Check your audio interface for monitoring on its internal mixer, might be a doubled signal , one from insert in reaper and the other from audio interface mixer monitoring...i am guessing.

The other thing that you should check is, when you insert "Reainsert" you should bypass everything on your outboard and ping the machine for a delay compensation with the exact number of samples.

Maybe if you post a screen of you chain would help.

All the best

[orbiterred]

Thanks guys, appreciate it. Looking into RME total mix now, definitely not something I've spent a lot of time with.

[Zerododo]

Originally Posted by orbiterred

Thanks guys, appreciate it. Looking into RME total mix now, definitely not something I've spent a lot of time with.

Don't understimate Total Mix! I've got it in my studio (hybrid studio with analog desk and outboard) and i consider it the true heart of the studio.

Sometimes i spend more time on it than all other gear.

do understand well Total mix and your life will be a lot easier (and latency free! ).

[mschnell]

I just tried it with my Audio6 interface: ReaInsert works exactly as expected, as well in a track's FX chain, as in the master's FX chain.

-Michael