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Old 08-12-2022, 03:21 PM   #1
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v6.65+dev0812 - August 12 2022
  • * Includes feature branch: specify channel counts per-region in region render matrix
  • * Includes feature branch: media item fade editing changes
  • * Includes feature branch: selected media item appearance changes
  • * Includes feature branch: track grouping manager dialog
  • * Includes feature branch: .SD2/PCM/RAW file support
  • * Includes feature branch: CLAP plugin support
  • * Includes feature branch: track media/razor edit grouping
  • * Includes feature branch: improve experimental silent-track CPU reduction option to include FX tail length
  • * Includes feature branch: media item fixed lanes
  • * Includes feature branch: internal pin management overhaul for future extension
  • + Main toolbar: add grouping button context menu action to enable/disable track grouping
  • + Notation editor: fix various drawing glitches [t=269232]
  • + Notation editor: improve hit testing of dynamics/custom notation [t=269376]
  • + Razor edits: fix media item mouse modifier to extend razor edits to item [p=2585455]
  • + Routing/grouping matrix: improve appearance of folder expand/collapse icons
  • + Track group manager: add columns to show/hide groups in TCP and mixer
  • + Track grouping manager: add menu actions to add/remove selected tracks (note, action is incompatible with option to select tracks when selecting group)
  • + Track grouping: add actions to automatically group all tracks, or selected tracks, for media/razor editing
  • + Track grouping: add menu actions to automatically group tracks for media/razor editing to main grouping toolbar context menu, TCP context menu
  • + Track grouping: add theme element for auto-grouped track indicators
  • + Track grouping: support customizing track group colors
  • + Track grouping: temporarily ignore global preference to change track selection on arrange view click when automatic track grouping of selected tracks is enabled
  • + Track manager/Track group manager: prevent re-sorting list while editing
  • + Track manager: add column to display track group membership, double-click to open track group settings dialog
  • + Track manager: add column to expand/collapse folders
  • + VST3: fix VST2 to VST3 state conversion
  • + VST3: fix VST2-VST3 mapping for plug-ins with non-alphanumeric characters in their names [t=269523]
  • # CLAP: fix sending MIDI CC events to plugins that prefer CLAP note events [p=2585111]
  • # CLAP: support CLAP_PARAM_IS_BYPASS
  • # MIDI: retroactive record with overdub for stopped events inserts at edit cursor
  • # Media item fades: improve editing when using track groups [hp=2584958]
  • # Render matrix: restore support for adding/removing selected tracks from render list
  • # Track group manager: fix potential inconsistent row sorting
  • # Track manager: when setting group membership for a folder track, set all child tracks as well
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Just when I thought this day couldn't get much better... Thanks devs!
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Just when I thought this day couldn't get much better... Thanks devs!
Whoah, this is just outstanding. Thank you so much for all of this! Looking forward to digging in
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When you come home at 2 a.m. and instantly have to check the new release...
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fix VST2 to VST3 state conversion
fix VST2-VST3 mapping for plug-ins with non-alphanumeric characters in their names

What are these? Does this mean old VST2 plugins can get converted to VST3?

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#CLAP

Last param of my plugin in generic UI is now displayed fine (I guess due to + FX: fix generic UI when last parameter is an enum in v6.65rc1), thanks.

Though in VST3 it's a slider, in CLAP a dropdown, not that it actually matters for functionality, but intended?



edit: Actually I find the dropdown more handy for choice style parameters.

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I realize the disclaimer here, but it's a little weird that there isn't a way to have "Select tracks in group when selecting group" active when using "Add selected tracks to group". If putting it in a contextual menu instead isn't appealing to you maybe similar to what AZPercussion suggested you could add a new column for this and then the user just clicks on the + sign in the column next to the group. You could add a new column with a - sign as well for remove selected from group.

Also, in the right click TCP menu, would you consider adding a "create group from selected tracks" option which creates a new group at the next unused group? Or maybe an action? (or both...) If a group attribute needs to be set to create the group a "create media/razor edit group from selected tracks" would be fine as well and then the user can edit the attributes as desired. That would make the initial group creation faster without having to open the track grouping parameters window or grouping matrix. You could put an "add selected tracks to group" in the TCP contextual menu as well with a submenu with a group list to select the group.

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+ Track grouping: support customizing track group colors
This is fantastic. Thank you!!

Think this might be a bug in the Track Manager group assign?




In the track drop-down menu of the group manager, maybe it would be better to show just the tracks for the group that was clicked on? That would make it a little easier to navigate and enable/disable tracks for the specific group rather than showing track folders for every single group. Or perhaps making this an option in the right-click contextual menu options?

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+ Track group manager: add columns to show/hide groups in TCP and mixer
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+ VST3: fix VST2-VST3 mapping for plug-ins with non-alphanumeric characters in their names [t=269523]
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Cool stuff! Thanks devs!
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+ Track grouping: add actions to automatically group all tracks, or selected tracks, for media/razor editing
Razor works on one track only if I use automatically group selected tracks. Ok with all tracks.


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+ Track grouping: add theme element for auto-grouped track indicators
You can notice in GIF above that there is no indicator. It appears only if you have at least one regular group.
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# Track manager: when setting group membership for a folder track, set all child tracks as well
When I click Group column in folder track row it sets group for that track only. But if I select track folder first it works as described. Is this intentional?


Also it seems now mirror track selection option works one direction only, from manager to project but not otherwise.

And little visual glitch with mouse cursor. Initially I thought it was dev thing, but it wasn't so here is the separate thread https://forum.cockos.com/showthread....60#post2585960
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By the way I think it would be great to have a "Track Group Manager..." button in Grouping parameters window. Like we have "Grouping Matrix..." in Track Group Manager.
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# CLAP: support CLAP_PARAM_IS_BYPASS
Works great - thank you (it's my favourite new feature )
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+ Razor edits: fix media item mouse modifier to extend razor edits to item
Thanks! Works well.


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I realize the disclaimer here, but it's a little weird that there isn't a way to have "Select tracks in group when selecting group" active when using "Add selected tracks to group". If putting it in a contextual menu instead isn't appealing to you maybe similar to what AZPercussion suggested you could add a new column for this and then the user just clicks on the + sign in the column next to the group. You could add a new column with a - sign as well for remove selected from group.
Should say that now adding selected tracks works for unselected group. So there stays a small step to let it work for selected group.

I suggested a special button near group name instead of column, because column is somethibg common for all rows, but there are tracks in rows along with the group names.
(At least on mac, because on win I don't see the picture below, I see the old view with tracks in a string, not in the list.)



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I whant to see this on windows too!))


And yeah, auto grouping for selected and all tracks is awesome!!
But razor for master track still needs for a full picture.
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[*]+ Track manager: add column to expand/collapse folders
Thanks for this feature!

However the column disappears after closing and reopening the track manager:


Also I noticed another bug (which seems to affect previous Reaper versions too). When hiding a track it somehow jumps to the top of the list, creating a lot of confusion:


Ultimately, please do add the option to hide child tracks when hiding parent tracks. I find it very unintuitive to have to either collapse a folder first to hide its child tracks, or have to select all of them before hiding. It can happen quickly to forget that and the folder track is gone and in the heat of the moment as a user I can quickly become unsure what folder the leftover child tracks belong to. You can see the unintuitive behavior here (made worse by the previously mentioned bug):
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Notation editor: fix various drawing glitches
One case of disappearing text I found is solved but this one remains.

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I realize the disclaimer here, but it's a little weird that there isn't a way to have "Select tracks in group when selecting group" active when using "Add selected tracks to group".
What OS are you on? The intended behavior is that the track list column is special and clicking it does not select the row/group, therefore does not select the items in the group, therefore there is no conflict with this option.

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Think this might be a bug in the Track Manager group assign?
That looks like the same issue, actually, clicking that column should not change the item selection. Are you on linux?

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Though in VST3 it's a slider, in CLAP a dropdown, not that it actually matters for functionality, but intended?
I think it would be a dropdown in vst3 if you specify ParameterInfo::stepCount.
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As for hit testing, there is also this similar issue.

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However the column disappears after closing and reopening the track manager
This bug is probably incorrect interaction with another hidden column. Can you post a screenshot of the full column header dropdown to show the visibility of all columns?


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Also I noticed another bug (which seems to affect previous Reaper versions too). When hiding a track it somehow jumps to the top of the list, creating a lot of confusion:
Which column is the list sorted by? (there will be a sort arrow in the header row, although you may need to expand a column to see it)

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Can you post a screenshot of the full column header dropdown to show the visibility of all columns?
You mean this?



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Which column is the list sorted by? (there will be a sort arrow in the header row, although you may need to expand a column to see it)
Ah, I think I understood what happened. Probably I accidentally clicked onto the "TCP" header and it started sorting based on visible/hidden. I now made the track number column visible, clicked onto it to sort by track number, hid the column again and the old, wanted behavior was restored.
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Maybe it would be better/nicer to use these for folder colapsing instead of +-. Plus can be misinterpreted as add track and minus as remove track.

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And what about highlighting a row on mouse hover. There is a lot of parameters and the track manager can get wide easily. I have problems even when it is narrow.
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And the alignment of some columns is center and some right.
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fix VST2 to VST3 state conversion
fix VST2-VST3 mapping for plug-ins with non-alphanumeric characters in their names

What are these? Does this mean old VST2 plugins can get converted to VST3?

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Yes, if the plugin and host (Reaper does) support it.

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+ VST: support migration of supported VST2s to VST3 at project load (with user notification)

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What OS are you on? The intended behavior is that the track list column is special and clicking it does not select the row/group, therefore does not select the items in the group, therefore there is no conflict with this option.
Yes, this is on Linux. Sorry I should have posted a GIF.



As you can see in the GIF, even though I'm clicking in the track list and technically the group is not being selected (it is highlighted white instead of the darker selection color) the tracks themselves in the TCP are being selected.

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That looks like the same issue, actually, clicking that column should not change the item selection. Are you on linux?
So just to be clear here, when I click on the group column in the track manager, it simply opens the track parameter window and then immediately closes it. It doesn't matter if the group value is empty or if there is a group assignment.




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However the column disappears after closing and reopening the track manager
I can also confirm this bug. If you add columns for expand/collapse and groups, when you close and reopen the track manager, those columns are now gone. Same if you have the track manager docked and close and reopen the project.

EDIT: Here is a screenshot of the columns in the track manager.


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  • + Track grouping: add actions to automatically group all tracks, or selected tracks, for media/razor editing
  • + Track grouping: add menu actions to automatically group tracks for media/razor editing to main grouping toolbar context menu, TCP context menu
  • + Track grouping: add theme element for auto-grouped track indicators
Looks like the automatic group replaces the highest-number group, which is a great adjustment. Thanks, it seems to be working fine for me. Could we get a non-toggle action to force-set the automatic group to selected tracks (the opposite of "Track: Turn off automatic track grouping")? Or is the idea that I test the toggle command state of all/track and then set those toggles as appropriate? I think that a direct action would be useful FWIW.

I do not see the theme element for autogrouped tracks -- I see the color in the tweaks panel, but I don't see a grouping indicator in the Default theme. Am I just blind and overlooking something obvious, or is it MIA? macOS 12.5 FWIW

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Can anyone get U-he's MFM2.5 CLAP Preview build working on Monterey 12.5 with the native silicon build? It keeps failing on scan. I installed using all the default paths. Right now, it's the only CLAP plugin I have that's failing. Works fine on Windows.

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I suggested a special button near group name instead of column, because column is somethibg common for all rows, but there are tracks in rows along with the group names.
(At least on mac, because on win I don't see the picture below, I see the old view with tracks in a string, not in the list.)
I think you are confusing the group manager with the track manager. The first GIF is the group manager. The second GIF is the track manager. So currently there are no track name rows in the group manager, only group names.

And I know I've harped on this a couple times now, so I promise to shut up about it after this, but right now, the Track Manager implementation of indented tracks inside folders and being able to expand/collapse them is really, really great. It makes navigating large projects so much easier. It would be utterly fantastic if you implemented the same thing in the Group Manager with indented tracks inside groups with expand/collapse. That would give parity between the two and make enabling/disabling so much easier for tracks in the group.
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Looks like the automatic group replaces the highest-number group, which is a great adjustment. Thanks, it seems to be working fine for me. Could we get a non-toggle action to force-set the automatic group to selected tracks (the opposite of "Track: Turn off automatic track grouping")? Or is the idea that I test the toggle command state of all/track and then set those toggles as appropriate? I think that a direct action would be useful FWIW.s
Now that I think about it for a few moments, what I think would be really useful here is a "locked" automatic group -- you enable it for selected tracks and then it's locked to whatever it was set to until it's turned off and on again.

The problem I have with the group-follows-selection paradigm is that track selection in REAPER is not always consistent -- click an item, the track is selected; marquee-select some items, the tracks are not selected. The reliability and utility of a group-follows-track-selection rule is dependent on your ability to predict how the selection can change as you work.

So a locked behavior would be welcome here. I can also just rebuild my own "temp group" script based on a Group 64 (but without the helpful 'highest-group' actions), but I think the use case I'm describing is pretty common.
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And the alignment of some columns is center and some right.
Text is aligned left (the track manager "group" column is incorrect and should be aligned left), numbers are aligned right, and symbols (dots, single-character indicators like "M" for mute, etc) are centered.
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Could we get a non-toggle action to force-set the automatic group to selected tracks (the opposite of "Track: Turn off automatic track grouping")?
You mean an action that sets "automatically group selected tracks" but does nothing if automatically group selected tracks is already set?

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I do not see the theme element for autogrouped tracks
The theme element is the color, sorry that wasn't clear.
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I think it would be a dropdown in vst3 if you specify ParameterInfo::stepCount.
Thanks.
In JUCE it's getNumSteps() which I've overriden to return 3 (for test) and I can see Reaper calling it on plugin load and I can indeed change the steps of the slider, but I still get no dropdown in the VST3 version.


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It would be utterly fantastic if you implemented the same thing in the Group Manager with indented tracks inside groups with expand/collapse. That would give parity between the two and make enabling/disabling so much easier for tracks in the group.
This isn't really workable for a couple of reasons, such as that there is no current track state that means "this track is a member of this group usually but is temporarily disabled."
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You mean an action that sets "automatically group selected tracks" but does nothing if automatically group selected tracks is already set?
Yeah that's what I meant when I wrote that, but check my 2nd post -- I thought about it a little more. In any case, I think this direct action would be helpful for building more complex actions.

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Yes, what I mean is that the automatic group doesn't display that color anywhere that I can see. I don't see grouping markers in the TCP as I do for the normal track groups.
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click an item, the track is selected
That behavior (which is optional and enabled by default) should be overridden when "automatically group selected tracks" is enabled, fwiw.
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fix VST2 to VST3 state conversion
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What are these? Does this mean old VST2 plugins can get converted to VST3?

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Text is aligned left (the track manager "group" column is incorrect and should be aligned left), numbers are aligned right, and symbols (dots, single-character indicators like "M" for mute, etc) are centered.
On Linux, everything seems to be aligned left?

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Old 08-13-2022, 09:05 AM   #38
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Yes, what I mean is that the automatic group doesn't display that color anywhere that I can see. I don't see grouping markers in the TCP as I do for the normal track groups.
What do you see when you do this with automatically group selected tracks enabled?




.. ahh, never mind, I see that the area where the track grouping indicators is displayed is not shown at all if there are no (non-automatic) groups defined, that's the issue.
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Old 08-13-2022, 09:09 AM   #39
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.. ahh, never mind, I see that the area where the track grouping indicators is displayed is not shown at all if there are no (non-automatic) groups defined, that's the issue.
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Old 08-13-2022, 09:17 AM   #40
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This isn't really workable for a couple of reasons, such as that there is no current track state that means "this track is a member of this group usually but is temporarily disabled."
I see, but I'm a little confused then. If I go into the group manager track drop-down and disable a track in the group and then go back into the same track drop-down, that track is still listed in the group folder. So you must be tracking some kind of state, yes? Otherwise, that track would have been removed from the group folder and put in the main (ungrouped) list at the bottom with the other tracks.



If you are already doing that for a group folder in the drop-down list, I'm not seeing why you can't do the same thing in a group folder in the main window as well.
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