Old 06-10-2011, 06:48 AM   #1
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Default Intelligent EQ in REAPER

Hi everyone,

I just carried out a little experiment with Reaper plug-ins and their fantastic modulation and routing capabilities.

Here's how it works:
An intelligent EQ analyzes the signal's frequency spectrum and equalizes in real time when the frequency zones in question are exceeded too abruptly (1 band per octave with a total of 10 bands).



It might seem rather long! But the REAFIR do not affect sound at all, they are only there as analyzers/triggers.

The chain is calibrated for a -6db PEAK signal approximately. Make sure you normalize your signal to that level for optimal operation.

Of course, you can tune the EQ to the fundamental of your tune.

In order to do so:
Review every band in REAEQ, and for each of them set the frequency on the fundamental note of your tune (except for the 10th band, where you should pick the fith above it)
NOte that it is set on F# per default.
Here's a table which might help --> http://jeanjacques.dialo.free.fr/frequenc.htm)

You can also set the release time of each EQ point to the tempo of your tune

-> go to the "param" tab of REAEQ -> FX parameter list -> parameter modulation -> here you'll find the list of parameters with a tick for each of the gains. Click the one you want to modify and, in the window that pops up, set the release time to the tune's tempo (in milliseconds) - per default the release time is set to the 32nd note or the 16th note (depending on the bands) for a tempo of 125 (here's another table to help you with that -> http://mp3.deepsound.net/eng/samples_calculs.php)

Should you want to, you can also set the attack times along the same principles.

Now have fun watching "The DANCING EQ" :-)
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Old 06-10-2011, 08:55 AM   #2
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You could also just drop in ReaXcomp. It does pretty much the same ting.
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Old 06-10-2011, 09:10 AM   #3
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not exactly

it's not compression, it's dynamix eq with a treshold and ration that depend on your original, I work on a v2 that contains 31 band and more possibilities, you'll see that it's different

EDIT : the v2 with 31 band is avaible in french (for the PDF "manual")
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...46&postcount=5

it's in translation progress
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How could I add this natively to my MuZQ plugin? Would it need attack and release controls?
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in the V2, the attack and release control will be tweakable

in this version too in fact, via the modulation parameter
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How could I add this natively to my MuZQ plugin? Would it need attack and release controls?
you can do the same thing with your MuZQ plug instead of reaeq's

only if :

each gain knob of your eq appear in the parameter modulation list in reaper

you need to redo all the routing and modulation.

but your plug contain 120 knobs (12 notes x 10 octaves) so you need as much "detector" if you want it to be perfect

but it's possible to link detectors with group of notes (fondamental + fifth + octave or make some chords)

it's a lots of work, but it's possible!
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Imagine if MuZQ could be automatic like that, it would really kick ass for bass guitar
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is muzq available on demo or something?

i cam make the chain for a bass with it
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OH my gosh! SOrry! I didn't see that the FX chain doesn't save properly! edited my first POST

Here's the V2 version.

I wait for the manual traduction in english
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Could you modify this to act like a 1/3oct feedback destroyer being the whole chain latency free?
If so, that would be da bomb.... AFAIK it would be the first one ITB.

Thanks so much!
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Could you modify this to act like a 1/3oct feedback destroyer being the whole chain latency free?
If so, that would be da bomb.... AFAIK it would be the first one ITB.

Thanks so much!
sorry my english is bad?

what are you waiting for?

what you mean by feedback destroyer?
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is muzq available on demo or something?

i cam make the chain for a bass with it
You on mac or PC?

Here's the demo. http://pipelineaudio.net/products/plugins/

I'll give you the full for making this preset
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what you mean by feedback destroyer?
An intelligent eq that can detect a frequency that is causing feedback on stage and as narrowly as possible, just cut that frequency, causing as little damage as possible to the rest of the signal
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You on mac or PC?

Here's the demo. http://pipelineaudio.net/products/plugins/

I'll give you the full for making this preset
I'm on PC, I'll check your demo and what I can make with it for a BASS preset

for the feedback destroyer, I need to think and experiment if it's possible. but the chain contains a lot of plug and so there's latence
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hey pipelineaudio

I worked a little on a FX chain with your MUZQ - it work like charm! :-)


Check by yourself :-)

just a little word on the working process

the first plug-in of the Chain is a reaeq taht don't affect the sound, use only the main gain fader as TRESHOLD for the "dancing EQ"

Ignore all the plug with note name, they're only detectors, so don't deal with it

and then you MUZQ (great plug-in by the way)

I record a whole octave on a bass (4 strings, standard EADG) and you can see your eq following the notes ;-) HOW COOL IS THAT? huh?

just a last word, when I play a E1 on the bass, it generate harmonics on E2. So an E1 will trigger the E1 AND E2 knob... it's impossible to do without, that's how the music works...

it's just a test version, I'll continue on other note (5 octave MAX due to the 64 channel of reaper)
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Sent the full 32 and 64 bit windows versions to the email listed in your contact info
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Sent the full 32 and 64 bit windows versions to the email listed in your contact info
thank you!

did you see the test that I join?

it's pretty cool hu?
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Man that is so cool seeing the knobs move like that
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Old 06-13-2011, 10:31 AM   #19
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Yep!

done! a lot of work and a lot of brain storming but it's done!

Here's the baby in action on a bass line playing all note from E1 to C2


The concept? An EQ that recognize the note taht you play and boost the frequency note!

It's not only one plug-in! It's a FX CHAIN for REAPER (37 Plugs that make all that work)

It's based on MUZQ plug-in by PIPELINEAUDIO -> http://pipelineaudio.net/products/plugins/muzq/

You need :

- The MUZQ Plug-in installed
- The zip folder attached
- REAPER :-D

How to use it?

- Unzip the folder, you'll find the FX chain and another zip "Reno mellow" (containing my JS control plug-in)
- Unzip Reno Mellow in your REAPER effects folder
(WIN XP : program files\REAPER\effects)
(WIN7 : User\app data\roaming\REAPER\Effects
- Start REAPER and load the FX chain "Magic MuZQ for BASS" on your favorite bass track

How it works?
Don't be afraid by this LONG FX CHAIN, just ignore, you have only one plug to take care -> The first one (command HERE)

The command plug-in contain 14 faders :

1 general sensivity
12 notes sensitivity : so you can adjust each note the way you like.
1 gain compensation if you need it (The eq can boost each note up to 12db, so by default, the EQ output is on -12 db)

You can also open the Muzq plug-in (end of chain) to see the knob moving.

ADVANCED :

1) The BASS is probably the more uneven instrument in terms of dynamic and volume so all the notes don't move the same way

2) When a note is playing on an octave, it generates harmonics and the next of the same octaves can trigger at the same time

BUT!

YOU CAN FIX THIS IF YOU WANT

-> in the chain , there are 32 notes "detectors" that can be adjust individually

-> open the effect that contain the note you want to tweak and adjust the GAIN main FADER (vertical fader on the Right) as your heart content.

PS: SOrry for bad english, I'm french speaker!
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sorry my english is bad?

what are you waiting for?

what you mean by feedback destroyer?
A plugin that detects loud pure tones in the signal chain (a monitor send) caused by on-stage monitors feeding back too much into mics. This needs to be latency-free because it's supposed to be used in live shows.

greetings & thkx so much
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A plugin that detects loud pure tones in the signal chain (a monitor send) caused by on-stage monitors feeding back too much into mics. This needs to be latency-free because it's supposed to be used in live shows.

greetings & thkx so much
Ok! it seems to be hard to do with 0 latency due to the long chain fx needed

but i'll go and check that
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Hey Reno,

I just stumbled over this thread and I'm really, really amazed about that great chain. Congrats!

Problem: When I load the Muzq Bass chain, Reaper can't find the plugin although I have it installed. That maybe because the plugin is 32bit and my Reaper in these days 64.
Then, when I replace the plugin in my chain all the Parameter Modulation seem to have disappeard :-(

Is there any chance that you could update your sophisticated chain for the current environment with reaper 64 and the muzg x(86) loaded?

OR - where can I find the MuZQx64.dll plugin on the net? ...

Many many thanks in advance if you read that post someday :-)
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Old 08-17-2017, 03:02 PM   #23
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Default Intelligent EQ little Bug and Trigger Change

Hey there!

Today I've found that incredible intelligent EQ V2. which I fell in love with :-)

As I tested it to find out what it does and how it does it I've found a little bug in the TREBLE TRIGGER - The IO routing should start at Ch 55 I think as the HIGH MIDS end at Ch.54..

An then as I worked with it and after I've learned how to FADER CONTROL the ReaControlMIDI and with that a parameter modulation, etc... I wanted to avoid heavy scrolling... So I created a Track Template to do that..

Unfortunately ReaEQ Main Gain is not a parameter that can be modulated. Because of that I exchange the ReaEQ TRIGGERS with Volume Pan Smoother V5.

Here it is.

Enjoy!
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