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Old 08-01-2021, 04:52 PM   #1
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Default Midi stops working with parallel standalone application

Hi,

I'm completely new to Reaper, I switched from Logic Pro 9.
My old mac's (2007; still running OSX 10.6.8) needed replacement and because I stopped working as a music professional I decided that for hobby, a +/- $1200 PC, might do the job "just as good" as a new + $3000 Apple.

One great advantage of Reaper (and PC) is the fact that a lot of allready unsuported (on OSX anyway) plugins seem to work great.

Last 4 weeks I've tested Reaper, and yesterday I bought my license.
Although I mainly do Midi-production and orchestration, I was a bit hesitant, because of a lot of different opinions about the MIDI editor, but I think it suites me well.
It turns out to be a steep learning curve, but a rewarding one.
A lot of features I first thought where lacking, turned out to be there, if you just know where to look.
And ofcourse when you switch you always win some and lose some.

There are however a few things I run into and I'm not sure I'm missing something here...
Hope that someone can shed some light;

-When I have Reaper running and I open a standalone Instrument, (tried it with Kontakt, East West Play and BFD3) Reaper "kind of" freezes.
Kind of, because I can open and close plugins, save, close, etc. But when I play my keyboard no midi is received. Also starting the track (Play) with the spacebar doesn't work....?
During testing and adjusting settings, I also noticed that sometimes when I had a podcast in the backround, more or less the same thing happend with the audio. Just silence...
Saving and restarting the software always solves this issue, and if Reaper is started as last, there is also no issue.
Its not a big issue, but it feels a bid fiddly/wobbly...

-An other small issue I noticed was with the reaverb. It all works great, but when I set the Pre-Reverb,I can't put it back. Visually I can. When i place it back to 0 it stays there, and the graphics adjust according, but the latency stays there.
This might be a bug.

I'm really curious whether someone can explain me why the audio, midi and playback stops, or if someone recognizes this behavior.

Thanks and greetings.

Oh BTW, it is greate to see how much info there is allready in on this forum.
Without it the learning curve would be almost impossible
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Old 08-01-2021, 09:02 PM   #2
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Windows does not support multiclient midi. So if you open a 2nd standalone program that attempts to use a midi device, it either won't connect, or it will become unabailable to Reaper.

The longstanding solution to this is a 'virtual midi cable' program There are several available: Bourne, Copperlan and MidiOx are a few. I've had the best success in simple setups using MidiOx, but others might have a differrnt preference.

What it does:
Connects to physical midi ports, and makes the midi going to/from those physical ports available to multiple programs (such as Reaper and Kontact and Reason) at once.
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Old 08-02-2021, 09:36 AM   #3
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@Philbo King

Thanks for your reply.
I wasn't aware of this, and it's now clear.

I was trying to connect Reaper to the standalone, with LoopMIDI when I encoutered the what I thought to be "issue".

I now disabled my Physical-Midiports in the standalone, before I started testing, and it all works fine.

It also explains why I had issues with running a second program that was using my audiodevice as well.

Thanks again.
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Old 08-02-2021, 01:00 PM   #4
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Glad it helped!
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Old 08-02-2021, 10:20 PM   #5
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This has to be one of the biggest Reaper oversights. Sure multiclient drivers are a work around. Personally speaking my Midi device doesn't have such a thing. However, most other DAWs don't have this problem because they will have a preference setting of "Close Midi Ports when not the active application" and therefore you can have 2 midi apps open at the same time and use them both with a single midi controller by switching back and forth between them since you can't have both windows active with the primary focus at the same time.

With all the preference settings in Reaper, kind of shocked this is not one of them. They didn't overlook the preference setting of "close audio device when stopped and application is inactive" which avoids the same type of situation which occurs when using a sound card ASIO driver and having two audio apps open at the same time, so why did they miss this one for midi devices?
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