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Old 05-22-2018, 09:58 AM   #1
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Default Will Reaper ever stops being ugly?

OS like win7, win XP are still popular. I am using win7 still.
Reaper have many unthemable elements, thats ok.

Still the biggest pain are those OS dependent elements.
I seen those nice backgrounds, buttons, menus on OSX or Win10 etc. and it looks good.

These things in win7 are pain in eyes and distract a lot. I always have feeling that its not consolidated and lot of weird looking elements.
The worst are:
-window tab
-menu tab
-buttons in most windows

-font colors


Is there any hope that would be ever changed?
If no is there a reason for this?




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This thing is Windows-related only. Mac users are in better situation. It would be cool to have system-independent interface.
How it looks on Windows 10.
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This thing is Windows-related only. Mac users are in better situation. It would be cool to have system-independent interface.
How it looks on Windows 10.

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For me it is really important issue with Reaper as this program is themable.
Many conceptions are not possible but the worst thing is that most dark style themes looks even more ugly. These borders are just hurting my eyes.
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Many conceptions are not possible but the worst thing is that most dark style themes looks even more ugly. These borders are just hurting my eyes.
That's why WALTER should be improved or replaced by more flexible/progressive system.
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"Replaced" won't happen, as that'd break stuff. Improved and updated and more areas being available to it, yes, that should definitely happen some day...
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Maybe Reaper 6 will brings something new, something good
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Maybe Reaper 6 will brings something new, something good
It would be extremely awesome! I hope so.
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It would be extremely awesome! I hope so.


Yes, that would certainly be most welcome. It would top my list for Reaper 6 - okay I don't really have a list apart from this - and I don't really care too much about it either!

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Old 05-22-2018, 01:16 PM   #9
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Quoting myself from January last year...

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Consider the UI elements that are drawn by the OS. You don't like them, and neither do I. Down with them, down I say...

...but wait; drawing and handling them is work that Reaper gets to hand off to the OS, which will do a solid and well tested job of dealing with, across all platforms, a myriad of input considerations, screen readers, HiDPI factors blah blah etc etc. That sounds like something that a lightweight, minimally programmed piece of software would do, right? A project that differentiates itself from its competitors in ways that include stability, low resource demand and absence of bloat would seem unlikely to devote effort to developing and maintaining code that achieves, if it manages to be absolutely 100% successful, prima fascie functional parity with what it already has. Again, I still think its worth it, from my perspective, you may too. But its not our call.
I know this isn't what you want to hear, sorry. But hey, who knows, maybe one day.
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Old 05-22-2018, 02:06 PM   #10
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After 30 years programming, 20 years primary in "no standard GUI" land of X, I still wonder why some people care about how programs (except games) look like
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Who knows what’ll happen for Reaper 6. There’s always some kind of improvement for each major version.

I’ve bitched and moaned about apsects of the GUI for years. I offered possible solutions, while having no idea how they could even work. GUI programming is just not my field, so I stopped doing feature requests in that field.

On the other side of the fence the LUA scripting community HAS made significant progress. Maybe that’ll spark some advances in Reaper itself.
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Old 05-22-2018, 03:17 PM   #12
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Let's remember the immortal words of the great Jimmy Soul:

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life
Never make a pretty woman your wife
So for my personal point of view
Get an ugly girl to marry you

A pretty woman makes her husband look small
And very often causes his downfall
As soon as he marries her then she starts
To do the things that will break his heart

But if you make an ugly woman your wife
You'll be happy for the rest of your life
An ugly woman cooks meals on time
She'll always give you peace of mind

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life
Never make a pretty woman your wife
So for my personal point of view
Get an ugly girl to marry you

Don't let your friends say you have no taste
Go ahead and marry anyway
Though her face is ugly, her eyes don't match
Take it from me, she's a better catch

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life
Never make a pretty woman your wife
So for my personal point of view
Get an ugly girl to marry you

Say man!
Hey baby!
I saw your wife the other day!
Yeah?
Yeah, an' she's ugly!
Yeah, she's ugly, but she sure can cook, baby!
Yeah, alright!

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life
Never make a pretty woman your wife
So for my personal point of view
Get an ugly girl to marry you
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Old 05-22-2018, 03:41 PM   #13
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There are always changes and I guess there will be changes in the future but I believe that Reaper will continue being [use the adjective that you prefer] ... because the owner(s) of this software are not primarily interested in aesthetic AT ALL. Besides I have the impression that many users of Reaper want it [use the adjective that you prefer].

My cousin is married to one of the ugliest girl I have ever met ... but he says that she is gorgeus ... in fact, I would pay not to ever kiss her ... a nightmare ...

So, don't complain so much about this ... it is a waste of time ... Reaper will continue being [use the adjective that you prefer].

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Old 05-22-2018, 03:52 PM   #14
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I hope Reaper, Youtube and Craigslist never change their appearance.
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Thanks WhiteTie.

I still hope for some tiny steps in that matter. Maybe one day...
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Old 05-23-2018, 04:48 AM   #16
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Consider the UI elements that are drawn by the OS. You don't like them, and neither do I. Down with them, down I say...

...but wait; drawing and handling them is work that Reaper gets to hand off to the OS, which will do a solid and well tested job of dealing with, across all platforms, a myriad of input considerations, screen readers, HiDPI factors blah blah etc etc. That sounds like something that a lightweight, minimally programmed piece of software would do, right? A project that differentiates itself from its competitors in ways that include stability, low resource demand and absence of bloat would seem unlikely to devote effort to developing and maintaining code that achieves, if it manages to be absolutely 100% successful, prima fascie functional parity with what it already has. Again, I still think its worth it, from my perspective, you may too. But its not our call.
What if these elements were handled with something like Juice? Cross platform, maintained by other people so minimal extra work and designed for audio software so should be lightweight?
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What if these elements were handled with something like Juice? Cross platform, maintained by other people so minimal extra work and designed for audio software so should be lightweight?
Cockos has stated they will never start using something like JUCE. Also, JUCE does not cover certain things like accessibility and printing so getting those to work would require additional effort.
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...I still wonder why some people care about how programs (except games) look like
It makes a difference how you feel when being creative, and visuals are a big part of that when using software.

You could record in a plain white room with fluorescent lighting, or somewhere with muted colours, art and warm lighting. Functionally exactly the same, but you'd feel more comfortable/creative in one.
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...Also, JUCE does not cover certain things like accessibility...
Ah, I'm surprised by that
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Why is it a problem to have a great looking and great working DAW, there are ones that look good but are crap. Why not be great in both areas.
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WT is right. If every damn part gets skinned it will be a greater burden on CPU. Reaper just puts priority on audio processing rather than looks. That's the choice of devs, and that should be understood.
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I still wonder why some people care about how programs (except games) look like
Men are visual.
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Ah, I'm surprised by that
There are 3 accessible DAWs: Sonar 8 (newer are not really accessible), Samplidute and Reaper.

Making JUCE interfaces accessible is close to impossible task. You can find a demonstration of my attempt to do this for Addictive Drums on Youtube (recorded by a friend), but there is a horror behind the scene (I still have not finished that).


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It makes a difference how you feel when being creative, and visuals are a big part of that when using software.

You could record in a plain white room with fluorescent lighting, or somewhere with muted colours, art and warm lighting. Functionally exactly the same, but you'd feel more comfortable/creative in one.
Since my "creativity" is in programming and I had to change IDEs/editors, visual components (nor shortcuts/helpers/ezc.) no longer disturbing me on the way. I agree that can be hard to accept, especially the first time... For music, from the position of my instruments I simply can not see the monitor
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I don't think REAPER will ever look hip and be fun to use. It's software for nerds.
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I hope Reaper, Youtube and Craigslist never change their appearance.
reddit changed their look and i hate it

i feel like every phone application changes their shit all the time and i absolutely hate it

if craigslist changed their look my eye would never stop twitching.

White Tie's quote bears repeating over and over and over. consider the media browser -- cockos made a media editor and it's nice, but lacks key functionality provided by a normal windows explorer file browser window: copy, delete, move, etc. we could FR, but it's best to spend our FR currency elsewhere.

i would rather have a working truck that looks like it was built in the 90s than a modern sportscar that only runs in reverse and a broken sunroof
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its really only "software for nerds" if you choose to use it that way.

As a user of elderly MIDI sequencers back in the very early days, I have zero issues wuith the LOOK of reapers GUI, although there are some aspects of its functionality I would like to see change.

But by all means, all you visually-obsessed geeks carry on whining... once we get a technicolor three_D cartoon look ala Fruity Loops, I will be the one whining & you can have your revenge on me!
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How about a single WALTER lane to allow custom advance theming and unlock some png images for buttons etc.?



And second lane to totally make reaper looks like windows explorer for tons of RAM and CPU avaiable for those radical nerds
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WT is right. If every damn part gets skinned it will be a greater burden on CPU. Reaper just puts priority on audio processing rather than looks. That's the choice of devs, and that should be understood.

What percentage though?
0.005%? why should non animated 2d graphics make a noticeable hit on CPU at all? I would be quite happy if those elements just looked as good as they do on a Mac now, but it's no biggie.
I would rather have the available CPU cycles if it is more than say a typical 1-3% CPU hit, for some strange reason.

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Completely agree.
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I know this isn't what you want to hear, sorry. But hey, who knows, maybe one day.
This is 100% my take on it. But then again, absolutely nothing about Reaper's appearance bothers me in the slightest. My own little tweaked default theme looks and works perfectly.

Better FX bin organizational options and native bezier-like CC handling in the ME or the only things I have on any Reaper wish list.
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It would be cool to have system-independent interface.

Literally on nobody's to do list. Theme editing is a bandaid at best. It's just a fact. But we can dream.

It's the only thing holding Reaper back. The plain jane dated look just isn't working in 2018. It needs serious attention. Like notation editor focus. They did it with notation view next up is the GUI.
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oh, please. it works fine.
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I would be quite happy if those elements just looked as good as they do on a Mac now, but it's no biggie.
just wanna say that for anyone with a mac bought after 2015, the entire program looks pretty bad and blurry, not just the theme but everything.
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just wanna say that for anyone with a mac bought after 2015, the entire program looks pretty bad and blurry, not just the theme but everything.
Correct. Same on Windows. I'm tired of people blaming MS for font rendering issues. Literally every other program I've ever used can handle this. There is no real excuse other than unwilling to accept facts.

Fonts are blurry, jagged, and the window management scheme is hilariously dated. That being said, there is no daw on the market today as powerful as reaper and extensible. It's just a pity that the GUI and theme "polish" is so lacking. It's just bad. Here's hoping version 6 actually repaints the whole GUI. Not even counting vector, just anything is better than current.
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oh, please. it works fine.
works? of course.
polished? no way.
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"Man is born screaming (bitching), and, when having screamed (bitched) enough, dies."
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There will always be those who argue against facts. I hope that Justin and company take some time in the future and really look at Reaper. Take a good look at what it is, and what it could be.
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Justin just uses the default theme anyways. Cockos is all about function over form. I don't see that changing.
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Justin just uses the default theme anyways. Cockos is all about function over form. I don't see that changing.
I agree on all points.
As an analogy, Justin is a millionaire who should be a billionaire.
In that, Reaper is insanely powerful and popular now. But imagine what it could do to the scene if it looked polished, fresh, and actually modern on top of it's function now? It's a valid point in my opinion. No disrespect.
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I agree on all points.
As an analogy, Justin is a millionaire who should be a billionaire.
In that, Reaper is insanely powerful and popular now. But imagine what it could do to the scene if it looked polished, fresh, and actually modern on top of it's function now? It's a valid point in my opinion. No disrespect.

I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I don't believe that much extra wealth brings you additional happiness, just power.

Plenty of turds regularly get an unwarranted polish, it might be nice if this little gem received one too!
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Reaper is fine.
The "problem" is its vastly open customisability.
Colour Themes, WALTER scripts, Actions, Layouts, etc. and all the interaction between those elements which make it almost a lifetime effort to support as a whole and one working unit with many options. Oh, Reaper has a ton of options anyway.

As I usually say, Reaper's best weapon is its worst enemy - the customisation.
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