Old 08-25-2008, 05:51 AM   #1
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I really miss these things:

- Selecting midi cc data in piano roll view
- re-scaling all selected midi cc data values in piano roll view
- Copying & pasting midi cc data
- smoother, more uniform midi cc event creation when painting with mouse


Would you be so kind, Please..? Reaper is getting matured in many other areas, except midi.

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Old 08-25-2008, 06:43 AM   #2
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You've hit the spot. ++1 and some million pluses and ones on top.

I keep annoying people with these essentials (especially the controller selection and editing) whenever possible. I really do wonder why so few users hop on this waggon. I hope we find some kind ears sooner than later.
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Old 08-25-2008, 11:06 PM   #3
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These features are often requested. I'll also add my +++1 (again). One day they'll be implemented and there'll be great rejoicing.
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Old 08-26-2008, 05:22 AM   #4
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Old 08-27-2008, 04:28 AM   #5
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+1

This is really the only update I'd be interested in.... I control a lot of external hardware through controller lanes, so it would make life a lot easier to be able to assign custom CC tags, make pre-set custom CC envelopes, and all of the features above. I started using Reaper a few weeks ago and it seems to be first-class in so many areas, but it's lack of midi features really limit it's usefulness for someone like me.
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Old 08-27-2008, 07:08 AM   #6
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It's good see that there are people who think that midi and music belongs together. I work with orchestrations, and it's only 50% of the song that you enter the midi notes. The other 50% comes from midi CC editing; mod-wheel, foot-pedal, expression, pitch-wheel. Well, literally the cc editing is taking the most effort, to make it sound as supposed.
And currently it is a bit painful to do with reapers limited support.
It is so close that Reaper is a perfect tool for musician. In other words I'd like to say that midi cc is not some esoteric feature that nobody uses/needs.
Sorry for nagging
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Old 08-31-2008, 02:08 AM   #7
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I think we need to bump this up now and then..
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Old 08-31-2008, 02:45 AM   #8
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You just beat me on the bumping...
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Old 09-05-2008, 01:25 AM   #9
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I think this topic should not sink into sleep yet..
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Old 09-10-2008, 09:57 AM   #10
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Baddabump...

This FR surely could need some more attention. Though I can see that this is just too basic to lose many words on it I like to invite the midi folk to place some more plusses and ones.
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Old 10-10-2008, 01:03 AM   #11
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I think it's time to remember this one again... Midi doesn't bite anyone!
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Old 10-12-2008, 10:49 AM   #12
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+1

if it worked with nrpn as well, that would be a serious step ahead!
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Old 10-15-2008, 12:00 AM   #13
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what's up with the rest of the midi users here? Never wanted to grab a bunch of controller events and lower or raise them a bit? For me this is the weakest spot Reaper shows at the moment and as we say around here: a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.
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Old 10-15-2008, 12:21 AM   #14
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+1

MIDI CC affection is the right direction.

Would be wonderful to bring the same flexibility and control from the main editing area down to the CC strips.
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Old 10-16-2008, 01:24 PM   #15
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A small bump for a man, but a giant leaper for the reaper
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Old 11-24-2008, 02:24 AM   #16
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...there is bumping in the air tonight, oh lohohord...
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Old 11-27-2008, 10:34 PM   #17
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Old 11-28-2008, 12:54 PM   #18
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Old 12-08-2008, 06:57 AM   #19
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This is so basic functionality that it's only a matter of time. But here's a bump for a 'sooner' rather than 'later'
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Old 12-08-2008, 09:24 AM   #20
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Old 12-08-2008, 09:31 AM   #21
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++1 on all above, particulary on the

- smoother, more uniform midi cc event creation when painting with mouse
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Old 12-08-2008, 11:58 AM   #22
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MIDI CC editing definitely needs attention!

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++1 Let the people's voices be heard!
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..bumping on a sunday afternoon..
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Old 12-15-2008, 04:07 AM   #25
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As a recent convert from Sonar, (Why? - for a start I can run Reaper at 50% the latency and the Vienna Ensemble plugin is a lot happier for it!) the one thing I do miss is the ability to draw in controller data within the actual piano roll itself, and not just in a separate controller lane. It would also be nice if the size of the blocks showing the data were narrower.
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:12 PM   #26
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1 It is impossible to target different track or midi channels on the individual effects in the FX chain
2 To use MIDI learning function must enter the env list,cant simply click on the button on the plugin interface, and adjust the controller

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Old 01-09-2009, 05:01 AM   #27
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must...bump...this...thread


I really need to be able to select a bunch of cc events and edit them simultaneously. At the mo I export the more difficult midi items to logic and edit them there, but it's just a pita, because I first have to set up the vsti in Logic so I can hear what I'm doing.


pretty pleeeheeeheeeaase.

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Old 01-17-2009, 09:19 AM   #28
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bump for relative CC editing with a mouse!

also: rpn and nrpn shown in controller lanes and in the midi list editor as one unified message (not a combination of CCs).

nrpn are the future of controlling midi! good resolution, no litim to 127 per channel. the bandwidth is there!

many vsts accept nrpn, e.g. symptohm, sylenth (midi learn).
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No sign of improvement on the cc lanes yet...
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dumdidum... oops, did I accidentally bump this thread?
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:05 PM   #31
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+11 Sure would be a handy feature
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Old 05-28-2009, 06:22 AM   #32
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... meanwhile,

OK guys, give this a try (it's a work-in-progress, freshly baked today)

[img]http://img29.**************/img29/2113/r300dscceditor.png[/img]

-- select the operation; you can :
  • change a CC number or channel,
  • set CC message data values,
  • change them by a value or a %,
  • rescale the values (from one range to another)
-- select the change value
-- or, for Rescale only, set the input and output ranges.

Then " Apply track FX to items as new take (MIDI output)".

Let me know of any additional functions / issues.
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Anyone want to try that Editor out?
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Old 06-22-2009, 06:32 PM   #34
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its cool, can you add rpn/nrpn?
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Old 06-23-2009, 12:27 AM   #35
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As a bump and a further plea regarding CC's ...

In the drop down box listing the CC's would it be possible to list the CC number AND its associated function by name. For example the CC for Volume is 7 but all it states is Volume. Easy one I know but some of the more less known ones (Freq Cutoff & Resonance for example) are listed by name only. Great if you know what the CC's are but not good if you want to know. Really useful if mapping them to a controller of some description also.
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Old 06-23-2009, 06:43 AM   #36
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Old 06-23-2009, 06:58 AM   #37
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Quote:
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its cool, can you add rpn/nrpn?
They are on CC# 98-101.
Or did you mean something else?

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As a bump and a further plea regarding CC's ...

In the drop down box listing the CC's would it be possible to list the CC number AND its associated function by name. For example the CC for Volume is 7 but all it states is Volume. Easy one I know but some of the more less known ones (Freq Cutoff & Resonance for example) are listed by name only. Great if you know what the CC's are but not good if you want to know. Really useful if mapping them to a controller of some description also.
?? it shows the numbers here:
[img]http://img40.**************/img40/954/r304dsmidicceditor.png[/img]

-- there is a limit of 1024 characters in JS FX for a slider definition, so some of the descriptions are a bit abbreviated.
-- the CC labels are the standard GM labels but you can change them if you want, open the file (e.g. in Notepad), find the labels and change them, then Save the file (don't use "Save as")
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Old 06-23-2009, 10:31 PM   #38
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Right - (deep breath, displaying Reaper newbie-ism)

That CC Editor .... is it functional yet as I can't get it to actually do anything. Where does one place it and how does one get it to function. (Sorry)

With regard to the CC number. I was referring to ReaControlMIDI where only some of the CC numbers are listed.
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Old 06-24-2009, 01:23 AM   #39
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The CC editor is a JS FX not a VST.

-- Unzip it and put the file somehwere in your Reaper Effects folder (it's in C:\Program Files\REAPER\Effects\DarkStar here)

-- start Reaper,
-- create/record a MIDI Clip,
-- add the CC Editor as an FX to the track,
-- in the CC Editor, select the operation; you can:
  • change a CC number or channel,
  • set CC message data values,
  • change them by a value or a %,
  • rescale the values (from one range to another),
-- select the change value,
-- or, for Rescale only, set the input and output ranges.

Then right-click the clip, select "Apply track FX to items as new take (MIDI output)". A new take will be created with the orignal one muted. You can then right-click, select "Take" and explode the takes as you wish.

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Then right-click the clip, select "Apply track FX to items as new take (MIDI output)". A new take will be created with the orignal one muted. You can then right-click, select "Take" and explode the takes as you wish.

HTH
Ah-Ha! Did everything except that. Thanks.

Is there any possibilty of reflecting the changes in real time before the track is actually processed?
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