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01-01-2016, 10:56 AM
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guitar drop tuning vst for jamming?
Are there any good drop tuning vst with low latency similar to the digitech drop d pedal for jamming?
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01-01-2016, 12:22 PM
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It's just an octave divider/pitch shifter (polyphonic). Do a search for octave dividers.Reapitch might work (it's in Reaper).
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01-01-2016, 12:35 PM
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Rea pitch is unusable in real time..to much latency
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01-01-2016, 12:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vejichan
Rea pitch is unusable in real time..to much latency
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Even with your buffer settings low enough for real-time playing?
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01-01-2016, 01:23 PM
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I just tried...you are correct, horrible latency. I'm sifting through my plugins, I'll let you know if anything works.
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01-01-2016, 03:00 PM
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There's a nice free pitch shifter/harmonizer plugin called Pitchproof, which seem to work rather fast. Not sure how it compares to hardware, but it's enough to do some light realtime jamming without wanting to kill yourself.
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01-01-2016, 03:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vejichan
Are there any good drop tuning vst with low latency similar to the digitech drop d pedal for jamming?
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You mean like the Rolland VG-8 system that would let you virtual 'retune' to different tunings?
That system used their 6 channel GK-2 pickup (same one used for the analog to MIDI synth units). They were doing something different from the analog to MIDI conversion... Using the analog signals from the pickup and processing that into different analog electric guitar characteristics as well as (virtual) altered tunings. Not sure of the details but it was more of a real time processing thing as opposed to the analog to MIDI conversion (and then triggering sound modules after it figured out the MIDI note info) of the synth units.
The 'retuning' thing worked surprisingly well but not 100%.
Is someone making a plugin that can do that?
That's a really good question! I suspect not but I honestly don't know.
Then there are the servo controlled physical tuners you can buy.
A friend of mine tried these out and we messed around with them for a bit...
If you are truly a guitar player with any experience beyond intermediate player... you will be able to retune your guitar quicker manually and by ear, while making audience banter, than the motorized tuners! They aren't able to anticipate things well like how you know (for one example) that when you drop one string, all the others go sharp.
So there's that.
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01-02-2016, 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by serr
Then there are the servo controlled physical tuners you can buy.
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Robo tuners like Gibson's Min E-Tune can be helpful, but we have a problem here, that wasn't mentioned before: Downtuning is mostly a Metal type of thing (high gain) and here we encounter the problem, that every tuning lower than drop D definitely requires thicker strings or high gain sounds will become totally mushy and the string tension too low.
I guess, that this fact will also influence how a downtuning VST will sound ... just too mushy.
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01-02-2016, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Aymara
Robo tuners like Gibson's Min E-Tune can be helpful, but we have a problem here, that wasn't mentioned before: Downtuning is mostly a Metal type of thing (high gain) and here we encounter the problem, that every tuning lower than drop D definitely requires thicker strings or high gain sounds will become totally mushy and the string tension too low.
I guess, that this fact will also influence how a downtuning VST will sound ... just too mushy.
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For stuff like that (dropped tunings for metal stuff) I would just tune the actual strings. And use bigger gauges as well! Seems like it would be a mountain of work to simulate vs. just stringing the gtr with the right strings for the job and tuning the thing.
I see people taking those short scale bases and turning them into 'tenor guitars'. String gauges between bass and gtr range and tuned to the tenor range. This actually gives the instrument reasonable tension vs. the too light tension with standard gauge bass strings on the short scale neck.
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01-02-2016, 11:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by serr
I see people taking those short scale bases and turning them into 'tenor guitars'.
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That reminds me of Jeff Schmidt's piccolo fretless bass ... sorry, that's completely offtopic now, but you need to see that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF4sJHBIYEo
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01-02-2016, 11:33 AM
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Bad ass! Nice, hadn't seen that.
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01-02-2016, 12:12 PM
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Bad ass! Nice, hadn't seen that.
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Search Youtube for Jeff ... tons of inspiring videos. Another bass player worth looking for is Michael Manring, but he is more famous, so you might have heard of him before.
Did you notice, that Jeff strings his lefty upside down?
PS: I'd like to have Manring's Hyperbass, but that beast costs 10k:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY4Ra2KOyas
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