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Old 07-16-2013, 07:16 AM   #41
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whatever, guys have fun!
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Old 07-16-2013, 07:57 AM   #42
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I have to repeat 1 + 1 is not necessarily 1 + 1.
When you're talking basic mathematical operations (upon which computers operate), then yes it is. Always.
I can't believe this! Sometimes my computer is quite sulky.

Maybe it was built in a Buddhist factory.

(Sorry, couldn't resist)

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Old 07-16-2013, 08:05 AM   #43
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whatever, guys have fun!
I have multiple FabFilter plugs but I don't have volcano so I can't help you test. Can you explain the samples you posted? Is the filter sweep etc. automated etc?

In case I missed, are the sample rates the same in both PT and Reaper etc.?

Can you post the RPP?
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I can't believe this! Sometimes my computer is quite sulky.

Maybe it was built in a Buddhist factory.

(Sorry, couldn't resist)

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LOL.
Maybe your computer was a woman in a different incarnation ;-)
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LOL.
Maybe your computer was a woman in a different incarnation ;-)
HAHA THAT'S FUNNY BECAUSE WOMEN ARE DUMB, AMIRITE?
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Old 07-16-2013, 01:32 PM   #46
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LOL.
Maybe your computer was a woman in a different incarnation ;-)
Actually, who could ever deny this??

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HAHA THAT'S FUNNY BECAUSE WOMEN ARE DUMB, AMIRITE?
No, don't think so. It's just that women sometimes are - errm - hard to understand - at least for (many) men.


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Old 07-16-2013, 04:44 PM   #47
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karbomusic", I FULLY agree that it could be certain settings / defaults that does this, AND I FULLY agree that it needs to be explained to folks, really...

But so many times it is also dismissed like the poster is nuts, is not hearing what he is hearing, and a lot of times is beat down over it. TOO many people do this, and I am glad that it has NOT happened in this thread.

AND this is NOT aimed at yourself, really. But folks are hearing things, and to just dismiss them is not helpful for them.

As for the OP question, I also do not have the Fab stuff, or I would try to give ya a hand...and that is where this forum excels, people helping people figure this stuff out!
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Old 07-16-2013, 05:38 PM   #48
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Does anyone expect a daw that costs USD 60 to have equal sound like a daw that is much more expensive ?
Absolutely. And it can be proven, too. If you read forums like Gearslutz you will find several threads where the sound of DAWs has been debated. When the experiment is conducted right, they always null.

There are tons of differences in the included plugins (I don't like those in REAPER and don't use them) but any other difference can be explained by different settings or modulating plugins that by design don't produce consistent results even within the same DAW.
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But so many times it is also dismissed like the poster is nuts
Well I do hope I didn't do that while attempting to be confident in my overall position; I just thought it was important and even if it wasn't obvious, my expectation was that the OP would do a little research and we could bypass yet another debate on the things we do know. When we start getting into all DAWs have secret mojo no one is telling us about we need to find a way to keep it on the right path since that's not what DAWs are designed to do.

I do agree with you and would prefer all gain a better understanding which makes fixing issues much easier and predictable meaning more happy users making more music. I have no disagreement that they are hearing or experiencing something; we just need to get past the mojo and help find what it is.
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The only proof I accept are my ears !
And I already said everyone has different ears
If you were taking part in a double-blind test, you would realize that your ears are lying to you. More precisely, your mind is playing tricks on you. You are perfectly normal, there are numerous examples of that in life and everyone falls for it one way or another. There are audiophiles who claim they can hear more clarity, a more open sound and silky highs when listening to a high-fidelity over-engineered powercable or USB cable. They really believe it. But if they took the test, they would fail.

Last weekend I spent a few minutes fine tuning a setting on an effects pedal before I realized that the way I had wired my pedalboard, that pedal was bypassed. With each change I had been convinced things were improving or degrading when in fact it couldn't possibly have had any audible effect.
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Does anyone expect a daw that costs USD 60 to have equal sound like a daw that is much more expensive ?
Well, yes, the ones in the know do, because it would make it necessary to include extra code to make it sound worse.

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Old 07-16-2013, 07:54 PM   #52
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Actually, who could ever deny this??



No, don't think so. It's just that women sometimes are - errm - hard to understand - at least for (many) men.


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Originally Posted by ambient "HAHA THAT'S FUNNY BECAUSE WOMEN ARE DUMB, AMIRITE?"

I have heard that there are even two daws for women only.
Windows Media Player and Quick Time Player, and there is one special feature:
they can even start playback provided that they find the button

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Old 07-16-2013, 08:08 PM   #53
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If you were taking part in a double-blind test, you would realize that your ears are lying to you.
There are tons of differences in the included plugins (I don't like those in REAPER and don't use them
Last weekend I spent a few minutes fine tuning a setting on an effects pedal before I realized that the way I had wired my pedalboard, that pedal was bypassed. With each change I had been convinced things were improving or degrading when in fact it couldn't possibly have had any audible effect.
That was exactly what I meant by saying everyone has different ears, e.g. the PT community is a predominantly elitist community of users who worship their daw - the day I joined that community I could suddenly hear that special Pro Tools sound

I am still wondering how Reaper makes my hardware reverb sound differently ?!

when I refered to plugins sounding differently I did not talk about the plugins that are included in a daw by default,
I can not use PT Plugins in Reaper
and do not think the included plugins of PT are better, only the price ist better, better for PT !
Do not underrate the hidden magic silky filter in PT, the filter for the pro sound !

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Originally Posted by ambient "HAHA THAT'S FUNNY BECAUSE WOMEN ARE DUMB, AMIRITE?"

I have heard that there are even two daws for women only.
Windows Media Player and Quick Time Player, and there is one special feature:
they can even start playback provided that they find the button
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Old 07-16-2013, 11:29 PM   #55
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Ok, I see, many a man thinks that a woman´s place is in the kitchen
and not in front of a computer screen.
But I do not agree, if a woman learns how to start a computer and find the access to the internet, she can find a lot of recipes there.
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Ok, I see, many a man thinks that a woman´s place is in the kitchen
and not in front of a computer screen.
But I do not agree, if a woman learns how to start a computer and find the access to the internet, she can find a lot of recipes there.
Maybe it's best you leave now. Nobody wants to hear you chauvinistic bullshit.

To the OP: I have Volcano. If you send me the preset and maybe the Reaper project, I can compare it to other hosts here.
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Old 07-17-2013, 12:46 AM   #57
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Default Tuitschland !

Is "bullshit" the first word people do learn in Germany ?
Even if your name was A..lf I would not care if you
had a sense of humour or not !
You better talk to your own folks like that and use these expressions,
maybe they are accustomed to it.
And guess what ! My neighbor´s name is Nobody, he is just sitting next to me and he can not
stop laughing.
My neighbor has just informed me that in germany a woman is the one with the balls in a family.
So I understand your reaction now. My deepest condolences !
And I really hope that you have obtained the permission to help bgrg concerning his problem.
And you are right the General Discussion Forum is the place to talk about life, this one here
is "compatibility" and that´s a serious matter !
God bless u

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Old 07-17-2013, 02:57 AM   #58
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Geh in'n Keller...tapezieren!
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Old 07-17-2013, 04:00 AM   #59
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Did I complain about making jokes at Buddha´s expense ?

Is a woman more worth than Buddha ? Is that what this community stands for ?!

Herr Muller there is a forum for german people here !
There you can use words like "bullshit" or "Keller .... tapezieren etc. !

Woman in our "wealthy" society do not need self-serving protection,
you´d impress and help them more by giving them good education.
Before bringing a child into the world,
learn how to do the cooking,
that´s what I heard a wise man saying.

And REAPER is a D A W - Digital Audio Workstation,
for all those who talk about s o u n d !

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Old 07-17-2013, 04:29 AM   #60
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This is getting seriously off-topic.
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Old 07-17-2013, 04:39 AM   #61
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I do not think so, because if your mum or dad or someone else who was responsible for your life, did not give you good food to survive and to
grow up, you maybe would not be able to write messages here and you write very helpful messages, you are smart !
It is a big problem today that a very lot of women are not interested at all in cooking any more, but some still want to make babies.
The next Fast-Food Generation will need a different kind of daw, they will not be able to learn as fast as we learn today, they will not be able to move and react so fast any more. Maybe the fastet track in 15 years will be 50 BPM only ?!
So we should all think about a suitable daw for the next Generation !

I have said all I could say, and I can not help you any further, because
I do not know how to program a new daw !

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More bullshit here than Pamplona!
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Old 07-17-2013, 04:52 AM   #63
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As far as I remember the English people is of German origin,too.
So I am not surprised to see the word "bullshit" again.

And yes, the English are known for their fantastic and unique cooking skills ! LOL

I like your sense of humour

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Old 07-17-2013, 05:19 AM   #64
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ahhh les jokes sur les femmes... c'est tellement... tellement 1982 comme attitude!

Ok, people... lets stop feeding the troll ok, thanks, bye!
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Old 07-17-2013, 05:26 AM   #65
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Que faire pour satisfaire le mari ? Cuisine...
Yes let´s stop feeding the trolls !

Twice I had to read "bullshit", well...
Bye

"Paris ne s'est pas fait en un jour."

and even trolls want good food,
so stop feeding them, as long as you are not able to do the cooking

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バカが見る、ブタのケツ。
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viva translate.google.com

anyway.. let's go back on topic here... or let this post die forever ( or until someone else is saying that DAWs have their "own" sound...)
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Please keep discussing the OP's issue (if he's still inclined to) only, otherwise this thread will be closed very soon.
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Please keep discussing the OP's issue (if he's still inclined to) only, otherwise this thread will be closed very soon.
Hopefully the OP can give us a little more info...

http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...1&postcount=43
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There is a drum that is turned way down in the sonar version, it is heard clearly in the Reaper version, so I would say it is a setting in the VSTi, or you have compressed the snot out of that drum in Sonar.
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To the OP: I have Volcano. If you send me the preset and maybe the Reaper project, I can compare it to other hosts here.
Hey, I've since unsubscribed from this thread because it strayed too off-topic, but maybe it's not too late to take you up on your kind offer.

However, in the meantime I've found out that the source of the problem is not how Volcano behaves in Reaper, or at least not only that. It's rather how it interacts with the synth FabFilter One, which I'm modulating with it. I hope you have that too.

I've attached an RPP file. On the first track both plugins are working live, on the second the synth is frozen but Volcano stays live. It's how the second track sounds that I'm after. That's how it sounded in Sonar without freezing anything.

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OK, I realize it's hard for me to explain this thing in words, so here are 2 examples to make it clear. I used the exact same preset in both cases.
It sounds like there is some frequency sweep or similar going on in the Reaper example. Definitely think it's a bug. Can't remember out of my head precisely but you can make similar sounds with full parametric eq by adjusting either the Q or frequency parameter, or both in real time.
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Hey, I've since unsubscribed from this thread because it strayed too off-topic, but maybe it's not too late to take you up on your kind offer.

However, in the meantime I've found out that the source of the problem is not how Volcano behaves in Reaper, or at least not only that. It's rather how it interacts with the synth FabFilter One, which I'm modulating with it. I hope you have that too.

I've attached an RPP file. On the first track both plugins are working live, on the second the synth is frozen but Volcano stays live. It's how the second track sounds that I'm after. That's how it sounded in Sonar without freezing anything.

Thanks for your help!
You'll need to include the frozen track as a wav or something. Whatever you do make sure it isn't lossy compressed.
Steve
EDIT you might needn't bother. Open both instances of Volcano, hit play and watch what happens with EG1. This is probably where the difference is coming from.
EDIT2 Sorry false alarm EG1 isn't connected to anything. Please post track 2's wav.
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