Old 11-29-2013, 03:42 PM   #1
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Hey guys,

I need to upgrade my PC for my mixing hobby. I recently tried to mix a 70+ track monster and playback was a nightmare.

I will use Reaper 64 bits on Windows 8.1.
My standard memory hogs are Alchemy and Komplete; the rest of my plugins seem to behave; my maximum number of tracks will probably be 100.

Here is my current build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4771 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12P SE2 54.4 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.99 @ Mwave)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H87N Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($104.44 @ Mwave)
Memory: Kingston 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.03 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($132.67 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 1.5TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($95.94 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Titanium Grey) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ NCIX US)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-S12B FLX 59.2 CFM 120mm Fan ($19.99 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: Fractal Design Newton R3 600W 80+ Platinum Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($156.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit - OEM (64-bit) ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Acer S241HL bmid 60Hz 24.0" Monitor ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($13.89 @ B&H)
Total: $1368.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-29 18:11 EST-0500)

(I have an external disk for system backups and CrashPlan for data backups).

The problem is that without S&H I'm way above my puny budget: this build goes for around $1'300 in Switzerland, so I need your help reducing the costs without sacrificing too much of the performance.

My main concern is CPU (see example above); that is why I initially selected the i7 4771; I'm not too happy with the consumption, so would the i5 4670T (45W max TDP) also provide me with enough computing power?

RAM I'm not too concerned about - Reaper is very good at managing it and I'm not using a lot of RAM when I record / mix. I can always add the same memory kit to the existing one to go from 8 to 16GB.

Since I have an LGA1550 socket, I have a choice of the Q87, Z87 and H87 MB from Gigabyte (have one now, worked like a charm, why should I change?). I don't need/want overclocking and the Z platform has loads of extra "business" features I don't care for so I chose the H87.

The case and PSU are a bit of a mystery: do I really need something that expensive (including the PSU)? Couldn't an Integra R2 PSU + a Core 3000 USB 3.0 do the tirck? Or even a Sonata bundle (not sure which is the most recent one)?

SSD: I know Samsung from reputation but $140 for a 128GB drive is a lot. How about Sandisk or Kingston? If that's too cheap, how about Toshiba, for example the Q-Series HDTS212EZSTA?

Storage disk I am going for Green because I think I need quiet more than powerful, correct?

Do I really need a cooler if I don't overclock my CPU?

Monitors: there's so much choice! I think I can settle for 24", with good contrast and lighting. Resolution doesn't need to be so high since I can't see too well if it's too small :-)

That's it. You know everything.

Help! :-)
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Old 11-29-2013, 06:41 PM   #2
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Hey guys,

I need to upgrade my PC for my mixing hobby. I recently tried to mix a 70+ track monster and playback was a nightmare.

I will use Reaper 64 bits on Windows 8.1.
My standard memory hogs are Alchemy and Komplete; the rest of my plugins seem to behave; my maximum number of tracks will probably be 100.

Here is my current build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4771 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12P SE2 54.4 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.99 @ Mwave)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H87N Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($104.44 @ Mwave)
Memory: Kingston 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.03 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($132.67 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 1.5TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($95.94 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Titanium Grey) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ NCIX US)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-S12B FLX 59.2 CFM 120mm Fan ($19.99 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: Fractal Design Newton R3 600W 80+ Platinum Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($156.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit - OEM (64-bit) ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Acer S241HL bmid 60Hz 24.0" Monitor ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($13.89 @ B&H)
Total: $1368.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-29 18:11 EST-0500)

(I have an external disk for system backups and CrashPlan for data backups).

The problem is that without S&H I'm way above my puny budget: this build goes for around $1'300 in Switzerland, so I need your help reducing the costs without sacrificing too much of the performance.

My main concern is CPU (see example above); that is why I initially selected the i7 4771; I'm not too happy with the consumption, so would the i5 4670T (45W max TDP) also provide me with enough computing power?

RAM I'm not too concerned about - Reaper is very good at managing it and I'm not using a lot of RAM when I record / mix. I can always add the same memory kit to the existing one to go from 8 to 16GB.

Since I have an LGA1550 socket, I have a choice of the Q87, Z87 and H87 MB from Gigabyte (have one now, worked like a charm, why should I change?). I don't need/want overclocking and the Z platform has loads of extra "business" features I don't care for so I chose the H87.

The case and PSU are a bit of a mystery: do I really need something that expensive (including the PSU)? Couldn't an Integra R2 PSU + a Core 3000 USB 3.0 do the tirck? Or even a Sonata bundle (not sure which is the most recent one)?

SSD: I know Samsung from reputation but $140 for a 128GB drive is a lot. How about Sandisk or Kingston? If that's too cheap, how about Toshiba, for example the Q-Series HDTS212EZSTA?

Storage disk I am going for Green because I think I need quiet more than powerful, correct?

Do I really need a cooler if I don't overclock my CPU?

Monitors: there's so much choice! I think I can settle for 24", with good contrast and lighting. Resolution doesn't need to be so high since I can't see too well if it's too small :-)

That's it. You know everything.

Help! :-)
You need tripple channel ddr memory meaning 6 pieces of ram may be 6x 2GB and the 840pro or the new samsung evo that is the priority that makes the speed.
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Old 11-29-2013, 06:45 PM   #3
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PC3-24800 is actual speed that is DDR3-3100 that is off course not 100% requiered but the quicker it gets the better.
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yes you need a cooler
if you want a fanless cooled system you must look into intel atom, intel pentium J2850 and intel Avoton C2750.
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Old 11-29-2013, 08:23 PM   #5
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Not to totally deviate from your original configuration, but here is just some food for thought. I bought this system back in January:
http://www.tekserve.com/store/macs/m...b-5400rpm.html
$899 (US)
Upgraded the memory myself with something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-CT2C8G...2+mac+mini+ram
I paid around $90 for whatever I bought at B&H
Added this external DVD/Bluray drive: http://www.amazon.com/LG-Portable-Bl...l+bluray+drive
$65
And pulled the audio and sample drives out of my old machine and put them into USB3 enclosures for $35 each.
Lastly, Windows 7 64 Pro for $100
That's $1224

I personally went this route as I wanted the option to run either Mac or Windows. Stuck with Windows, and this thing performs incredibly well. I had a project with 150+ tracks with SEVERAL instances of Massive, Reaktor, Guitar Rig, Battery along with BFD2, Stylus RMX and many insert FX. Plus was scoring to video. Almost no glitches whatsoever. This thing runs like a beast. And its semi-portable for what its worth. Don't let the built-in graphics fool you. I'm running a 24" Samsung monitor AND a Sony 32" flat screen TV as dual monitors, each at 1920x1080.
Best part is, I could've just bought the base unit and started working immediately while upgraded slowly as I got the money.
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Old 12-01-2013, 11:42 AM   #6
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My current config is now this one:

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CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($200.94 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U9B SE2 37.9 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.99 @ Mwave)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-HD4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($69.95 @ Adorama)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec P280 ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-S12B FLX 59.2 CFM 120mm Fan ($19.99 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: Antec EarthWatts Green 380W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($44.98 @ OutletPC)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit - OEM (64-bit) ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VE247H 23.6" Monitor ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($13.89 @ B&H)
Total: $934.65
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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I'll get back to your comments when I have more time :-)
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If I was you I wouldn't cut corners.... especially with a high track count.
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You need tripple channel ddr memory meaning 6 pieces of ram may be 6x 2GB and the 840pro or the new samsung evo that is the priority that makes the speed.
Triple channel DDR? Doesn't this depend on the type of motherboard? Why would I need 6 pieces of RAM instead of one? I don't understand :-(
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PC3-24800 is actual speed that is DDR3-3100 that is off course not 100% requiered but the quicker it gets the better.
I don't think my current issues are due to low RAM - from what I can, it's more due to the low computing power.
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yes you need a cooler
Why? Could you please explain your reasoning?
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Not to totally deviate from your original configuration, but here is just some food for thought.
Interesting, I would have never thought of that, buying a Mac for its hardware and install Windows on it.

For some unknown reason I feel less comfortable not having it built myself, go figure :-) But definitely a good idea, thanks.
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If I was you I wouldn't cut corners.... especially with a high track count.
Well... See that's my problem. In the grand scheme of things, I'd have to mix *maybe* one such album (i.e. high track count) a year. Maybe. Saving $300 on the PC allows me to fund half an XBoxOne for example :-)

While I love doing music and audio, I'm only wondering when the law of dominishing returns really starts to kick in. Is it $800? Is it $1500?
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Triple channel DDR? Doesn't this depend on the type of motherboard? Why would I need 6 pieces of RAM instead of one? I don't understand :-(
one piece of ram does 5000MB/s 6 do 30000
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Why? Could you please explain your reasoning?
the cpu produces heat and that heat must be diverted otherwise the cpu will stop working the big fat i7 cpu makes roundabout 130Watt of heat, a intel atom 13 Watt
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the cpu produces heat and that heat must be diverted otherwise the cpu will stop working the big fat i7 cpu makes roundabout 130Watt of heat, a intel atom 13 Watt
im surprised you dont know that kind of stuff. you are going to build a pc with no knowledge how to do it, at least you dont know why it is the way it is.

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Well... See that's my problem. In the grand scheme of things, I'd have to mix *maybe* one such album (i.e. high track count) a year. Maybe. Saving $300 on the PC allows me to fund half an XBoxOne for example :-)

While I love doing music and audio, I'm only wondering when the law of dominishing returns really starts to kick in. Is it $800? Is it $1500?
if you think in that small amounts of money "to save 300 bucks" i recommend not going into the pro audio sektor. think in 3000 at least. for a studio that will make good sound, good enough for publishing. most producers who have started small did not buy the whole studio at once, but in small pieces. quality is important in this area.
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theoretically both systems you had in mind are quick enough to handle a 70* track monster mix if you stick mostly to reapers plugins and set the asio buffer to the max.

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Well... See that's my problem. In the grand scheme of things, I'd have to mix *maybe* one such album (i.e. high track count) a year. Maybe. Saving $300 on the PC allows me to fund half an XBoxOne for example :-)

While I love doing music and audio, I'm only wondering when the law of dominishing returns really starts to kick in. Is it $800? Is it $1500?
It took you a 70 plus track count to realize your gig is not up to par... Not having to deal with this issue is value if u ask me... I spend my day on my computer so the last thing i want to do is waste time struggling and troubleshooting... Id rather spend a bit more and work with zero worries (i spent 2k on my rig nov 2011 and never had an issue since then)... In the grand scheme of things that counts too... Plus that xbox one can wait u know whats up with that first batch lol
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Well... See that's my problem. In the grand scheme of things, I'd have to mix *maybe* one such album (i.e. high track count) a year. Maybe. Saving $300 on the PC allows me to fund half an XBoxOne for example :-)

While I love doing music and audio, I'm only wondering when the law of dominishing returns really starts to kick in. Is it $800? Is it $1500?
IMO it's around $1500-$2000 in the US. You can see significant gains for any wise upgrade in that range, but beyond is only really useful to the hardest-core gamers and visual artists.
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IMO it's around $1500-$2000 in the US. You can see significant gains for any wise upgrade in that range, but beyond is only really useful to the hardest-core gamers and visual artists.
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Beside the ram suggestions, i would EXTREMELY suggest drop that WD Green and buy two "WD RED 3TB" and put them in Raid Mirror.
ANY failure on PC (except explosion/fire) is recoverable but the last thing you want on your daw is HDD failure and byebye work.
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the cpu produces heat and that heat must be diverted otherwise the cpu will stop working the big fat i7 cpu makes roundabout 130Watt of heat, a intel atom 13 Watt
The one I chose is at 84W. I'll look into the intel atom :-)
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if you think in that small amounts of money "to save 300 bucks" i recommend not going into the pro audio sektor. think in 3000 at least. for a studio that will make good sound, good enough for publishing. most producers who have started small did not buy the whole studio at once, but in small pieces. quality is important in this area.
I don't think I ever said I wanted to go into pro audio.
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IMO it's around $1500-$2000 in the US. You can see significant gains for any wise upgrade in that range, but beyond is only really useful to the hardest-core gamers and visual artists.
Thank you for your input. So in my price range, it's really up to me to decide what performance I want. Not that I eally know how to do that, but at least I know I have to find a way to do it :-)
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Beside the ram suggestions, i would EXTREMELY suggest drop that WD Green and buy two "WD RED 3TB" and put them in Raid Mirror.
ANY failure on PC (except explosion/fire) is recoverable but the last thing you want on your daw is HDD failure and byebye work.
I'm actually running on a RAID mirror system now :-) I have daily backups to the cloud (didn't have that when I built this system) and I do plan to buy a small NAS system in the future since we'll have multiple PCs around the house. So two HDD on that system aren't really worth it IMO.
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I don't think I ever said I wanted to go into pro audio.
i assumed you would, since all studio/recording standards are only available from pro audio equipment. i mean +4dBu and so forth...

for mixes only you may be able to get away with RCA (Chinch) -10dBv.
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70 tracks is actually a light-ish track count for today's computers. You'd be able to run that with at least as many plugins on any C2D machine from the last 5 years as long as you have a SSD.

If you're on a tight budget and don't plan on going much over 70 or so tracks or running live sound plus multitracking, start with a SSD and see where you're at. But by all means, put together a monster to grow into if the time is right.
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So I've decided that I should go with more power and a better monitor to save my eyes.

Here's the final build, just before ordering from merchants here in Switzerland (not all the "best" parts available):

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CPU: Intel Core i7-3770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($291.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U9B SE2 37.9 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H77-DS3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($95.97 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($75.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Antec SONATA III 500 ATX Mid Tower Case w/500W Power Supply ($119.98 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-S12B FLX 59.2 CFM 120mm Fan ($21.99 @ Mwave)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit - OEM (64-bit) ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Dell U2312HM 23.0" Monitor ($189.00 @ B&H)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($169.99 @ Microcenter)
Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($12.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1280.81
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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Get two Dell monitors instead of a combo. I recommend U2412M (if you have room for 2x24"). I plan on getting two of them myself at some point. Why? Because they are 1920x1200, which is MUCH better than 1920x1080, especially for DAW work. WT Imperial theme, here I come! (Also it's an IPS matrix.)

Regarding optical drives: LGs are noisy. Get Samsung or something.

For hard drives I much prefer WD Black over Seagate and Samsung/Intel over any other regarding SSD.

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Are IPS panels any improvement for reading text? I need to get any external monitor, mostly for that purpose.
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They are an overall improvement over TN displays, consistent color across all viewing angles, no blur (that might be related to text display as well).
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no blur (that might be related to text display as well).
I think that is to do with motion in video and games. Something that I read recently, and I don't know how much truth is in it, is that higher resolutions are easier on the eyes due to more detail in what is being displayed (something about depth and focus). Also, I read that higher refresh rate (120 hz) is easier on the eyes, even though the industry typically says that it doesn't matter (to do with how lcd's draw screen by screen vs. line by line for crt).
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Higher refresh rate is more noticeable as easier on the eyes on CRT displays. On any LCD I never noticed any problems with refresh rate even if it's the regular 60 Hz.

In any case, you can't go wrong with an IPS matrix display. Especially if it's a Dell. They make good ones.
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I have no idea why people are recommending a CPU cooler, the Intel CPU you are buying HAS ONE SUPPLIED WITH IT! :P haha.

you would only replace it if you where overclocking your CPU.

why bother with RAID mirroring? just grab your external HD and back up critical stuff, its just wasted money (IMHO) adding that for extra redundancy.

and IMO I wouldn't bother with the WD green. the Hard drive is already one of the quietest things in the system, may as well just get the faster one.

without some hardcore gaming graphics card, this system will be pretty quiet. if you are looking for total silence, then id look into some way of moving the computer into another room. especially since you *NEED* power as a priority. don't even bother with intel atoms or anything. they are for tablets and netbooks...


can defs vouch for 2 screens, even if you just use some cheap one for the second, or you find a decentish 2nd hand one.

I have our old HDTV in my mixing room, which I connect to my Macbook pro for extra screen room
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Higher refresh rate is more noticeable as easier on the eyes on CRT displays. On any LCD I never noticed any problems with refresh rate even if it's the regular 60 Hz.
That seems to be the typical wisdom. Something to try, though: scroll your screen up/down a bit and watch how the screen jitters. That is terrible on the eyes, and supposedly higher refresh rate helps with that. This might also be a plus for higher resolutions - less scrolling. Maybe a plus for IPS, too.

Am I right in thinking that if there is ANY movement (such as mouse cursor) on the screen, then the entire screen is redrawn, and that lcd's do redraw screen by screen? I know that without any movement, lcd's hold the screen.
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@ ED: you might like the thin bezel version (U2414H) too:



http://www.scan.co.uk/products/24-de...in-605mm-borde

But ... what makes them worth almost twice the price of 24" 1920 * 1080 monitors from Acer, Iiyama etc?

Also, would you use the USB ports? If so, what for?
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There's never enough USB ports!!!

Also, thin bezel version looks interesting, but it's 1080p so it's a no go unfortunately I'm pretty sure U2412M being 1200p AND pivot rotation definitely influences its price, too. Which I'm happy to pay for, personally.

I have an Acer 21.5" 1080p LCD right now and it's quite mediocre. Dell monitor I'm interested in got rave reviews from what I read, and I also got more than a few first-hand recommendations for that particular model, from people I know that know their hardware. Iiyama isn't a name that's often heard here in Croatia, I must say.

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I have no idea why people are recommending a CPU cooler, the Intel CPU you are buying HAS ONE SUPPLIED WITH IT! :P haha.
Yes, supplied, but they're usually noisy fuckers. That's why a replacement is necessary in most cases.

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That seems to be the typical wisdom. Something to try, though: scroll your screen up/down a bit and watch how the screen jitters. That is terrible on the eyes, and supposedly higher refresh rate helps with that.
Just doing it and I'm not noticing anything fatigueing. Could be just me?
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Why are you getting 1 stick of memory? I would get 2x8gb of memory. If you plan to OC the hell out of that processor then you need the Noctua. You could also get great results with the Cooler Master EVO 212 for less money. I would not put a lot of trust on the included PSU with that case. PSUs are critical for system stability. I wouldn't get any PSU that wasn't at least rated Bronze and it is better to get a platinum rated PSU. Think Seasonic. Also note that the Samsung EVO SSDs are the best value today.
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