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09-18-2012, 06:22 AM
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Big meters - BIG MIDI indicators
I've noticed that, when the meter on a track is large, the MIDI indicators (activity and note velocity) get far too big. Is there a WALTER way of fixing this? (Or is it a bug / nit pick?)
Here are a couple of examples:
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Now in Issue Tracker:
http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=4382
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09-18-2012, 11:35 AM
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Hi DarkStar, i've noticed that too.
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09-18-2012, 05:43 PM
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I don't think there is a cure to keep the MIDI meter nice. The blob just grows with the meter size.
Not sure if that's appropriate in your case, but you can "switch it off" by adding JS midi_eater at the end of the FX chain
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09-18-2012, 07:02 PM
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does seem like an ugly problem... so there is no special pink or special yellow fix for that? IF not, then WALTER needs some work to provide a way to do this properly..
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09-19-2012, 11:10 AM
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yes this is definitely an issue
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09-30-2012, 12:53 AM
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09-30-2012, 02:05 AM
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The title is a bit misleading, as it has nothing to do with multichannel, but only with meter width.
On the other end of the spectrum, if the meter gets too small you can't have any MIDI indication. This way an idea like a small signal indicator as we see it in some themes TCPs can only ever indicate audio signal, not MIDI .
I wish audio metering and MIDI indication were separate graphical objects in WALTER.
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09-30-2012, 07:40 AM
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Justin has said that someday they will be separated FYI
No idea when so pointless asking me haha
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09-30-2012, 08:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gofer
The title is a bit misleading, as it has nothing to do with multichannel, but only with meter width.
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True. I only noticed it when using big meters for multichannel tracks. Can you alter the thread title? To "Big meters - BIG MIDI indicators".
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09-30-2012, 09:02 AM
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Title change done.
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Originally Posted by gpunk_w
Justin has said that someday they will be separated FYI
No idea when so pointless asking me haha
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Ah, thanks .
DarkStar, would you mind to add that solution to your request ticket? It is a bit lacking on the request part right now (other than the unspoken "Please take that blob thing away").
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09-30-2012, 09:08 AM
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Done. ....
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03-15-2013, 05:17 PM
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03-15-2013, 05:28 PM
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Just voted !
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03-15-2013, 05:35 PM
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Yes it is. The other extreme is also not nice. Meters thinner than a certain width don't display MIDI at all. On my tcp I like to have just small signal indicators, but to indicate MIDI signal they would need to be of a certain minimum width, defeating the purpose. The only valid solution would be separate WALTER for MIDI and audio metering.
But why do you need MIDI output on the track where you are monitoring Sampletank's multichannel audio in the first place? Just kill it with JS midi_eater .
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03-15-2013, 05:52 PM
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^^^^
That's the MIDI being sent to ST2 from other tracks.
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03-15-2013, 06:40 PM
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That's what I thought. But do you need the MIDI on the output of that track? I mean, when you get audio output, you know there must be MIDI coming in, so you don't necessarily need the indication (other than for troubleshooting that is - when there's no audio - in that case I just bypass the MIDI eater if I want to see whether MIDI arrives at that track).
To be clear (I know DarkStar knows it, but to avoid confusion) I totally w.a.n.t. better MIDI indication. Just want to help him get rid of that ugly blob there on his meters .
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03-15-2013, 10:09 PM
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The first time I used midi in Reaper I tought it was a graphic bug !
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03-16-2013, 01:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gofer
But why do you need MIDI output on the track where you are monitoring Sampletank's multichannel audio in the first place? Just kill it with JS midi_eater .
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkStar
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That's the MIDI being sent to ST2 from other tracks.
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Yep, midi_eater would hide the problem (apart from 2 flashes when the first MIDI is received on the track). But the MIDI indicators still need work.
Then, of course, "plug-in MIDI Output - disable" is broken:
http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=4680
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03-16-2013, 04:24 AM
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I have a track without parent send, just a regular send with midi send to another track with the VSTi. and all I see is a very very small red dot when midi out is sent playing a track. How can I see that big midi meter? I would like that. I can't barely see this small red dot.
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05-17-2013, 11:37 PM
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Not a bug
Hi guys, I have 4.402 running with multichannel tcp disply without the fat red band appearing. If you are seeing this it's because midi is being looped back/through the vsti loaded on the master track. You will need to disable this to get rid of the red band (midi input display). Don't know about other vsti's but in Kontakt open the K5 gui go into OPTIONS >> ENGINE >> 'send midi to outside world' and uncheck 'script generated notes' and 'incoming notes'. Cheers.
PS. Would be good to have an option to disable this from within Reaper itself though...devs? (per track...pleaeeese!)
Last edited by Chris0008; 05-17-2013 at 11:48 PM.
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05-19-2013, 07:07 PM
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I thought there was a preference setting for this..... I remember something along the lines of "show midi activity", maybe it is a right click on empty mixer thing? I do not remember exactly.
What's more, in reference to the midi meter thing itself, is if you are using a theme that utilizes an overlay that may partially cover up the meter, then the midi indicator can appear to be off of the meter.
Walter or graphic customization of this would be great.
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05-24-2014, 07:31 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinknoise
The first time I used midi in Reaper I tought it was a graphic bug !
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Yep, me too! And I started another thread
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08-17-2014, 12:49 PM
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bump ... [43 votes so far]
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08-17-2014, 02:54 PM
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Voted yes...that big midi meter is uggggly..
Guido
Thx DS for setting this up
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08-17-2014, 05:10 PM
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I voted yes a year ago I guess as it wouldn't allow me a vote.
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08-17-2014, 05:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkStar
bump ... [43 votes so far]
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Hi DS-
+1. I voted for this long ago.
-Susan
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08-17-2014, 06:05 PM
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voted and it does need a fix
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08-18-2014, 03:59 AM
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voted too but wanted to say, love the metering design you have going there! (apart from the midi problem of course).
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04-11-2018, 08:49 AM
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Bump, with another example:
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04-11-2018, 10:04 AM
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this midi bug is affecting to the new API theme with Walter.
Plizzzz devs, solution to this.
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04-11-2018, 12:09 PM
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Hope they are able to fix it.
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02-09-2019, 01:03 PM
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Still very annoying issue... I use a lot of external MIDI devices and I'd like to see easily and by glance that reaper is first of all getting any midi input (there should be a global midi input light on the main tool bar) or if it's outputting as it should. Right now the REAPER doesn't allow me to do anything sensible about this.
I voted for this years ago
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