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Old 08-22-2020, 03:21 PM   #1
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Default The menus looks too old and kill the theme...

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can we change the skin of menus somehow ?
I just cant stand this :X

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Old 08-22-2020, 03:39 PM   #2
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Nope no way
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Old 08-22-2020, 03:49 PM   #3
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It's been brought up many times and the devs don't care.
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Old 08-22-2020, 10:55 PM   #4
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You can do it with Windows bling or such i think.
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Old 08-23-2020, 01:26 AM   #5
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You can do it with Windows bling or such i think.
i don't get it

my windows 10 menus skin doesn't look like this, so why it look like this in reaper?


how can windowsbling help me ?
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Old 08-23-2020, 05:43 AM   #6
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https://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/

That should do the trick just make sure to create a restore point just in case.
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Old 08-23-2020, 05:44 AM   #7
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I feel your pain.............but that being said I use a 3rd party Windows theme called Penumbra and it does give Reaper nice dark menus that fit my overall theme.
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Old 08-23-2020, 07:24 AM   #8
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https://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/

That should do the trick just make sure to create a restore point just in case.
I tried and couldn't get it to work on the menus

can you show a screenshot example of how it works on menus on reaper ?
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Old 08-23-2020, 10:18 AM   #9
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Maybe try reading this thread.


https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=239578
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I saw this thread but non of the users there shared a screenshot...
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Old 08-23-2020, 11:29 AM   #11
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Dear devs,

can you please give attention to the skin of the menus in reaper?
I spent the whole day searching the forum and the web for a workaround...but I finally figured that there is non. lmao

I was about to buy a 3rd program to change it, but even windowblinds couldn't change it.

these old gray menus kill the look of every single theme.
these menus must be themeable.


I saw posts from 2007 where people (WhiteTie) said there that this is already known request, so it should be requested from even before.

we really need you here.
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Old 08-23-2020, 12:35 PM   #12
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OK OK OK
it seems that windowblinds can actually color these menus! ^_^

I still think that these should be themeable from withing reaper instead of using 3rd software just to theme menues.
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OK OK OK
it seems that windowblinds can actually color these menus! ^_^

I still think that these should be themeable from withing reaper instead of using 3rd software just to theme menues.

What's the setting or adjustments in windowblinds10 that changes these windows? Any pics?
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Old 08-23-2020, 04:50 PM   #14
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i don't get it

my windows 10 menus skin doesn't look like this, so why it look like this in reaper?
That seems odd, because on macos, the menus are the system ones, so I'd assume it's the same for windows, especially as people are suggesting a program to change the look of the OS as a fix.

So it really seems like a problem with Windows UI rather than Reaper UI, although that said, it's not necessarily impossible for the Reaper devs to do something about that, but in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't seem that important (i.e. things like improving the UI of stock plugins seem more necessary/useful to me than this and even then, that's not strictly necessary in the first place)
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Old 08-23-2020, 08:39 PM   #15
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I wish all of the non-themable / OS dependent REAPER windows / elements were finally dealt with and resolved. For me, it would make for a more cohesive / seamless / immersive work environment. I love REAPER but this is on the top of my wishlist...
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It's been brought up many times and the devs don't care.
I believe they do care, but it would require massive fundamental changes to Reaper for relatively modest benefits as far as Reaper's creators are concerned. Trouble is it's a big part of how the DAW looks.
Those elements look nicer on a Mac because they have nicer looking font rendering and more visually pleasing Windows than the workmanlike Windows 10; I was disappointed by Windows 10 still not tackling font rendering too, considering it's supposed to be the final ever version of Windows.
Certainly not enough of a difference to make me even consider switching to Mac though.
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I believe they do care, but it would require massive fundamental changes to Reaper for relatively modest benefits as far as Reaper's creators are concerned. Trouble is it's a big part of how the DAW looks.
Those elements look nicer on a Mac because they have nicer looking font rendering and more visually pleasing Windows than the workmanlike Windows 10; I was disappointed by Windows 10 still not tackling font rendering too, considering it's supposed to be the final ever version of Windows.
Certainly not enough of a difference to make me even consider switching to Mac though.
Modest benefits? We can't see Reaper.
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I just cant stand this
Change your DAW then instead of whining, fool!
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Old 08-25-2020, 11:47 PM   #19
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Modest benefits? We can't see Reaper.
What do you mean by "can't see"?

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Old 08-26-2020, 04:55 AM   #20
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What do you mean by "can't see"?
The text on everything is too small.
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Old 08-26-2020, 05:10 AM   #21
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The text on everything is too small.
But you can see it right?

I guess smaller 4k screens and high-ish DPI small screens like the LG 25" 21:9 1080x2560 screens produce text that can be a little too small for the greatest comfort. Quite another thing to "can't see".

Certainly wish they could give the option of larger fonts though!
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But you can see it right?
I see it either, but it doesn't mean it isn't too small. Even with my comparatively good sight and 15" screen.
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I see it either, but it doesn't mean it isn't too small. Even with my comparatively good sight and 15" screen.
What resolution are you on with that?

My secondary screen is a 25" 1080x2560 display, about the same dpi as a 40" 4K TV. Text looks too small at time on that, but it's perfectly in focus and legible.

All these diddy 27-32" 4K screens are going to be way too small for normal text and many normal VSTi GUIs. Excellent for pixel peepers with high quality photos though.

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What resolution are you on with that?
Standard 1366x768.
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Standard 1366x768.
I hope Justin eventually changes his mind on this as high PPI panels are making normal Windows text uncomfortably small with modern displays, unless throwing away the resolution on upscaling.
https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calcu...calculator.php

Your 15" offers 104 pixels per inch.

The 25" I mentioned has a little more at 111 pixel per inch and it's the reason I swapped to a 29" with same resolution - even then I would prefer to be able to increase text size and quality.

A 27" 4K may sound like a big screen to some but that's a whopping 163 Pixels per inch meaning text is going to be frikkin tiny!

That's what a lot of people are being stung by. I suppose old casual users might not realise computer screens don't scale like smartphones. Upscaling everything throws away the benefits.
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1920x1080 on 28" screen and the fonts are too small to read without trouble. 2 or 3 font sizes bigger would work much better.
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1920x1080 on 28" screen and the fonts are too small to read without trouble. 2 or 3 font sizes bigger would work much better.
Blimey 79 PPI. That's actually quite a low dpi.
Are you visually impaired or standing too far from the screen, such as playing the instruments away from computer desk?
Maybe you could consider using low value reading glasses, say 0.50 or 0.75 which magnify a smaller amount than normal reading glasses and can be used a little from further from the things you want to magnify than normal reading glasses. Some people call them computer glasses, and you can get them with blue filter for greater comfort.
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Actually I think its 1920x1200 but even 2 ft from the monitor the font is too small. I hope they make it user configurable soon. I have computer glasses that make the screen razor sharp but it's just too small.
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Actually I think its 1920x1200 but even 2 ft from the monitor the font is too small. I hope they make it user configurable soon. I have computer glasses that make the screen razor sharp but it's just too small.
Do you wear glasses? Might be worth a visit to your local opticians for a fresh eye test. Even my 76 year old eyes do fine with a decent pair of varifocals. So long as I get my vision tested regularly.
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Do you wear glasses? Might be worth a visit to your local opticians for a fresh eye test. Even my 76 year old eyes do fine with a decent pair of varifocals. So long as I get my vision tested regularly.
Ivan, you quoted him saying it's razor sharp with reading glasses (but maybe you're right).
However if he's right that he's got a 28" 1200x1920 he's got damn big pixels at 2ft.
I remember reviews (back in the day when this was a more common resolution - and yes I know some of these 16:10 1200 screens are still available) complaining that text quality suffered because the pixels were actually too big at 28". Generally 24" was considered the sweet spot for that resolution for productivity (24" look a lot smaller). Of course all of this depends on viewing distance.
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Change your DAW then instead of whining, fool!
The average intelligence of the forum just went up.
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Ivan, you quoted him saying it's razor sharp with reading glasses (but maybe you're right).
However if he's right that he's got a 28" 1200x1920 he's got damn big pixels at 2ft.
I remember reviews (back in the day when this was a more common resolution - and yes I know some of these 16:10 1200 screens are still available) complaining that text quality suffered because the pixels were actually too big at 28". Generally 24" was considered the sweet spot for that resolution for productivity (24" look a lot smaller). Of course all of this depends on viewing distance.
Had a go with our old 1080 telly which is 32" and yes the pixel size gets interesting, but there again the whole thing is bloody enormous and klunky looking. I have a friend wh ouses large televisions all over his studio, none of which are better than 1920 x 1080 & to me his monitoring always looks huge and clumsy. Who knows? Maybe they dont do glasses that are good enough to see 23 or 24" monitors if your eyesight is not good enough?

I have enough issues with my hearing, so I suppose I should be grateful I have no problem seeing my 23" ips panel monitors.
That`s a thought: I am now wondering what sort of quality his 28" monitor is.
coachz.....??? What type of panel does that 28" monitor have? Also, what GFX card are you using?
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Had a go with our old 1080 telly which is 32" and yes the pixel size gets interesting, but there again the whole thing is bloody enormous and klunky looking. I have a friend wh ouses large televisions all over his studio, none of which are better than 1920 x 1080 & to me his monitoring always looks huge and clumsy. Who knows? Maybe they dont do glasses that are good enough to see 23 or 24" monitors if your eyesight is not good enough?

I have enough issues with my hearing, so I suppose I should be grateful I have no problem seeing my 23" ips panel monitors.
That`s a thought: I am now wondering what sort of quality his 28" monitor is.
coachz.....??? What type of panel does that 28" monitor have? Also, what GFX card are you using?
Not to get off track but the monitor, resolution and video card are not the problem. I work with a number of musicians and we all sit around the monitor together so we're all usually a couple feet away from it which makes it a little harder to read from a distance. I've been testing the latest font increaser from user analog dessert and it's working fantastically so I have a fix which is great. Hopefully he will release it soon for everybody else to enjoy.
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Old 09-02-2020, 09:59 AM   #34
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Actually you can change it, you need turn on high contrast on windows configuration and play with the colors, but you cant change the typography or anything else.
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