Old 02-09-2020, 12:03 AM   #121
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Here you go: I actually am betting that Facebook will stomp down the lounge faster and harder than even the moddiest mod here

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2741881389239351/
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Here you go: I actually am betting that Facebook will stomp down the lounge faster and harder than even the moddiest mod here
Huh?

The Lounge had nothing whatsoever to do with Friend Face - other than they are both ways to waste time.
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So, is this topic the New Loung?
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I'll never go back there myself. Some of the worst examples of the humanity can be found in there.
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Old 02-09-2020, 05:32 AM   #125
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Go limp. Not that anyone will care!
Indeed. Nobody cares.
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I'll never go back there myself. Some of the worst examples of the humanity can be found in there.
All those lounge mass murderers, paedophiles, necrophiles, animal torturing sadists, religious extremists eh!
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Bring back the lounge. Let's vote on it.
Whaddya say guys?
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Old 02-09-2020, 09:17 AM   #128
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Bring back the lounge. Let's vote on it.
Whaddya say guys?
If this was a democracy, it'd be worse than it already is.

Let's not vote on it.
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Wherever will we find such level of discourse again????
hahaha yes
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Old 02-09-2020, 09:28 AM   #130
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What in the name of fkty fk

It was a unique place at one point, and I do agree the quality of posts has deteriorated somewhat, but u know what, so has the world.

Fkn fascist bullshit
I don't get the responsibility to keep it on when it's a non-moderated user directed forum that has deteriorated into p!ssing contests. Because the world has deteriorated Cockos must accept this and leave it? Host your own deteriorated Lounge and let it drag down your rep.

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Too much reason in that.
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Old 02-09-2020, 09:49 AM   #131
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If this was a democracy, it'd be worse than it already is.

Let's not vote on it.
Solid lounge material.
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fascism hahahah right.
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Old 02-09-2020, 10:30 AM   #134
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If this was a democracy, it'd be worse than it already is.

Let's not vote on it.
Yup, democracy can be horrific
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Old 02-09-2020, 11:40 AM   #135
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Maybe the lounge needed a civility plugin to change comments such as the above to things like:

"I see your point good sir, but I respectfully disagree"

"There are no wrong answers, but if there were, I feel that might be one of them"

"Sticks and stones . . ."

"You poor thing! Perhaps it's time for your nap!"

I am sure Justin could program such a thing.
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Old 02-09-2020, 01:32 PM   #136
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Some of the people complaining about this have approximately three (3) posts about Reaper, and five thousand (5000) posts ostensibly in the Lounge.

Not sure why you chose a forum about audio software to be your hub, but also not sure why you're surprised that an audio software company would like to distance themselves from the goings-on in there.
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Old 02-09-2020, 03:11 PM   #137
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I wasn't a Reaper lounge denizen, and it personally does not affect me at all. The problem I see on web forums is that too much of what is called "politics" on web forums is characterized to mean, specifically, a narrow band of discourse involving opinions about public personalities who attain or aspire to attain national leadership positions and the sorts of social policy decisions that emanate from Washington, London or Tehran...

But in a sense, everything is politics. Certainly anything involving economics is politics, including any thoughts about the "music biz", software and hardware pricing, EULAs, piracy, monetary compensation models for artists, etc.

Whenever, for instance, anyone either says that dongles are justifiable to protect intellectual property or argues against that, one is making a political statement. Even Reaper-specific technical discussions are ultimately embedded within the framework of the social and political presumptions of the participants, even if those presumptions aren't explicitly delineated.

On the forums I visit, the most common practice is to attempt to isolate a particular tenor of conversation by arbitrarily applying a label that defines it as "political", then ghettoizing it. This seldom works out well, because compression only increases pressure, as with a gas in a closed system...

But I agree with the comments along the lines of: You don't have to click on a subforum if you don't want to, and it continues to astonish me that people get upset about discourse that transpires in places on the internet that are more easy to avoid than access. It's not as though you're being pinged on a phone, alerted to pay attention to anything that is being said that you dislike. Compartmentalization that enables people to avoid any virtual 2nd-hand smoke they'd prefer not to breathe is one thing the web is really good at and does naturally.

If 21st century communications are a lab test to determine whether or not people can, collectively, handle free speech in a civilized way, then for the most part we are failing miserably.
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I think we need new non-related forums or cleanse and re-open the lounge with a restriction on politics. There are SEVERAL places to talk about these. All these old school internet dudebros and they haven't heard of reddit?
This place is much more fun than reddit

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I'll never go back there myself. Some of the worst examples of the humanity can be found in there.
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All those lounge mass murderers, paedophiles, necrophiles, animal torturing sadists, religious extremists eh!
Only now are we seeing the true extent of the damage this brood of vipers has wrought upon the meek and pure of heart. As traumatized survivors trickle in and painfully re-live the harrowing experiences they were subjected to in the den of iniquity so innocently, innocuously, and misleadingly called the 'Lounge'..



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i liked it coz it was one of the few places where you could read and discuss opposing point of views and beleif systems, and yes, debate / argue.

yes, it was too free and non pc to last.

guess we'll be doing the rant drive bys here then....amirite ?
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Old 02-10-2020, 12:25 AM   #141
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yes, it was too free and non pc to last.
Have we had actual confirmation of if/why the lounge has been nobbled?

Personally I have no issue with free speech and "non PC" content (whatever that means) but the main problem I encountered in the lounge was that toxic self expression takes up space but is ultimately devoid of meaning.

I like a rant but it really should be about something, however trivial, otherwise it's juxtaposition of words as a visual exercise.
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Any musician worth his salt has something to say something politically or on current events.
But I guess most of these guys prefer musical masturbation in the bedroom.
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Any musician worth his salt has something to say something politically or on current events.
But I guess most of these guys prefer musical masturbation in the bedroom.
I say Bob get a grip!
No one was changing the world from the lounge, if that was the aim you need a much better soapbox.
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Old 02-10-2020, 06:14 AM   #144
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For me, the user community was a big part of the "Reaper experience". Like you belong to a team. What's up with the silence? It only adds to the drama, imo. Surely we can do better than this?
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No one was changing the world from the lounge, if that was the aim you need a much better soapbox.
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Old 02-10-2020, 07:12 AM   #146
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Maybe the lounge needed a civility plugin to change comments such as the above to things like:

"I see your point good sir, but I respectfully disagree"
Long ago I had a message board that did just that. I changed both "Republican" and "Democrat" to just "Party", etc..

"The Party party is horrible with taxes relative to the Party".

Changed the nature of things.
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Have we had actual confirmation of if/why the lounge has been nobbled?
Not to my knowledge.

A few months ago, one of the writers of a large tech site was arrested for some extremely vile stuff. The site made no acknowledgment, except to remove him from the staff listings etc.

There was a fair amount of criticism from the commenters about this silence, with the loudest view that there needed to be an explanation. This continued for a few pages, until one commenter suggested that there was probably a legal requirement for this silence. One of the staff then responded and said, effectively, "This is correct, we're not allowed to make any comment on this situation."

I don't think that anyone on the Cockos team got arrested, but my point is that we don't know why the lounge is frozen. Some are speculating that it's related to the mods' political leanings due to the timing.

Here's some more speculation, which you should take exactly as seriously as any other speculation. Maybe someone who has a history of repeatedly making (and getting banned for) bitter, rage-filled posts finally went too far and made a threat and then deleted it. Maybe the Secret Service felt this threat was credible and directed the site owners to preserve the rest of the site while they dig deeper.

Possible? Sure. Plausible? I don't know. But all this reminds me of that "White Phosphorous" episode of Newsroom. If you haven't seen it, they end up making a decision to post a story partly based on the fact that a twitter account in the region hasn't posted for a long time, despite one employee repeatedly suggesting that maybe the dude's data plan just ran out. In the end, it turned out to be the latter.

Has anyone actually ASKED why it was frozen, like, PM'd a mod?

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guess we'll be doing the rant drive bys here then....amirite ?
Fuck no. You have plenty of other places for that.
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i liked it coz it was one of the few places where you could read and discuss opposing point of views and beleif systems, and yes, debate / argue.
There were hardly any discussions of opposing points of views and belief systems or debates during the years I frequented. Literally.

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yes, it was too free and non pc to last.
First of all, it had been around for a long, long time. Second, calling something "non-PC" as a virtue is a cop out in describing it, as if being non politically correct is all that's needed to float something.
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Maybe the moderators just got tired of having to read through long diatribes?
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Some are speculating that it's related to the mods' political leanings due to the timing.
Devil's advocate: it'd be pretty easy to make a "timing" claim any time in the last couple of years. I.e. spurious correlation...
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Maybe the moderators just got tired of having to read through long diatribes?
I very much doubt that happened.

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Devil's advocate: it'd be pretty easy to make a "timing" claim any time in the last couple of years. I.e. spurious correlation...
It's only fitting that the closure of the lounge should be accompanied by conspiracy theories.
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No one ever learned anything...
I would very much disagree with that.

I enjoy adversarial debate as a spur to engage in researching topics that interest me. Anyone who has spent more than five minutes on the internet should know that it is a fool's errand to attempt to change anyone's mind, but that doesn't mean you can't learn from debate. Often I was debating people who were not arguing in good faith, but that doesn't matter either. I was in it for my own edification.

As for people commenting on politics thousands of miles from them; like it or not, US politics affects everyone on the planet.
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First of all, it had been around for a long, long time. Second, calling something "non-PC" as a virtue is a cop out in describing it, as if being non politically correct is all that's needed to float something.
Actually thats precisely the value of free speech, as in "I totally disagree with your point but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Free speech isn't free unless its free to disagree.

We call the times when people had to hold to church dogma "the dark ages"
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"Freedom of Speech" is specific to government squelching anti-government speech.
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"Freedom of Speech" is specific to government squelching anti-government speech.
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Often I was debating people who were not arguing in good faith
So when you were presented with your own self contradictory quotes from months before, and your sole response was to label it "creepy data mining", were those cases instances by your opposition of "not arguing in good faith"?
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So when you were presented with your own self contradictory quotes from months before, and your sole response was to label it "creepy data mining", were those cases instances by your opposition of "not arguing in good faith"?
I could live with your stalking down in the lounge, but please don't bring it up to the daylight.
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Actually thats precisely the value of free speech, as in "I totally disagree with your point but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Free speech isn't free unless its free to disagree.

We call the times when people had to hold to church dogma "the dark ages"
I don't follow the connection. I was disputing the notion that if something is called "non-politically correct" by someone, it is assumed to be a valuable thing, regardless of the content. PC or non-PC in and of itself doesn't mean anything, especially regarding value. If I owned an audio site and its off topic forum became what I considered a detriment to the site, I'd axe it, whether it was considered a non-PC or a PC forum. The level of discourse everywhere else is so good here. I don't understand why people feel it doesn't matter if the level at the Lounge was like Usenet newsgroups in the 70's. Not that I have any idea of what Cockos is thinking here or even if it's gone.

Free speech is important in our world but in this context it really doesn't apply. Every forum category is offered as a service, and they don't include Constitutional rights, especially when there's a lot of yelling "fire" in the theater, so to speak.
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I could live with your stalking down in the lounge, but please don't bring it up to the daylight.
Is this ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ what you call "arguing in good faith"?
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