Did Reaper jump the audio shark ? - Page 3

FKAB · 09-18-2016, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JamesPeters

Or you can add this plugin to each track/bus, using a tiny fraction of CPU:

http://www.airwindows.com/channel4vst/

Oh wait you can do that now!

BTW his "Pressure4" compressor is pretty awesome too, and "FathomFive" is cool. Save yourself some time and don't watch the videos, just download the plugins. Then after you've used the plugins, go watch the videos for a chuckle.

A great one! A very useful professional toy.

I'm sure you'll survive.

James, I have a quality Channel Strip for use in Reaper when occasionally needed. More plugins are the last thing I want. And what's with the smarm?

Yes - IF you are making a MIDEO.

Oh I wont be entering, I'm disqualified by the fact that I don't have any Reaper Plugs, I only DL'd to hear what song was being used.

JamesPeters · 09-18-2016, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FKAB

James, I have a quality Channel Strip for use in Reaper when occasionally needed. More plugins are the last thing I want. And what's with the smarm?

Yes - IF you are making a MIDEO.

Oh I wont be entering, I'm disqualified by the fact that I don't have any Reaper Plugs, I only DL'd to hear what song was being used.

Sorry, just having a bit of fun.

Also pointing out to others that there's a solution if they want to use Reaper but "get a console sound" for free.

MIDEO, lol! MAUDIO (maybe that's where they got the name for their company?) VAUDI? Yeah, MIDEO works best. I'm going to remember that one.

I won't enter the contest either. I don't really have interest mixing anyone else's music unless it's something I really enjoy hearing over and over and over and over...come to think of it, that's what makes me hate my own music so much...

Dannii · 09-18-2016, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilDragon

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Coachz · 09-19-2016, 04:25 AM

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Lawrence · 09-19-2016, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ReaDave

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Come on now, moan threads are 50% of the Internet and without them it would cease to exist.

The other 90% is porn and math tutorials.

That's one of the main purposes of the webz, to complain about random stuff and have someone actually read it, which doesn't happen so much otherwise.

I'm old enough to recall complaining about random stuff and being lucky if 5 people ever heard about it, now we can do that in our boxer shorts in Mom's basement with a bag of Cheetos on our lap and (in some cases) millions will. I'm not sure that's actually a good thing.

FKAB · 09-19-2016, 07:24 AM

Why is "We Want Better" considered moaning?

Lawrence · 09-19-2016, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by FKAB

Why is "We Want Better" considered moaning?

It's not always moaning, but some will always view it that way.

It's the Internet with millions of people with millions of different opinions.

It's not supposed to always make sense, by design.

In other words, even in cases where (for the vast majority) nothing is really wrong anywhere, someone will always complain about something. That's how the Internet works.

I think Al Gore designed it that way.

JamesPeters · 09-19-2016, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by FKAB

Why is "We Want Better" considered moaning?

You didn't say "we want better". What you seem to be saying is you don't want Reaper to be audio+video+midi, but you want Reaper instead to be "Reaper+Harrison MixBus". We can have both. Asking for more functionality is fine, even if lots of people won't use it (or choose to use plugins--some of which are free--to accomplish the same thing). I don't see why it's an either/or situation though. That's what I argue against. Yes the developers sometimes work on aspects of the program you personally don't care about. And other times they do. Someone on the other side of the fence from you will have the same argument as you worded the opposite way. Who's right?

Coachz · 09-19-2016, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JamesPeters

You didn't say "we want better". What you seem to be saying is you don't want Reaper to be audio+video+midi, but you want Reaper instead to be "Reaper+Harrison MixBus". We can have both. Asking for more functionality is fine, even if lots of people won't use it (or choose to use plugins--some of which are free--to accomplish the same thing). I don't see why it's an either/or situation though. That's what I argue against. Yes the developers sometimes work on aspects of the program you personally don't care about. And other times they do. Someone on the other side of the fence from you will have the same argument as you worded the opposite way. Who's right?

Is someone hijacking my thread ?

cyrano · 09-19-2016, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by esosotericmetal

Care to elaborate on why you think that?

+1

Why would REAPER go open source?

Lawrence · 09-19-2016, 01:09 PM

I think ED may be suggesting that at some point Justin may want to just lay on the beach and chill and not work on it anymore and just open source it.

Not that I speak for ED, but that was my take on his comment, that Cockos isn't a corporation that will cycle through different people over 20 years, that when of if Justin or Schwa stop working on it (for any reason, old age, illness, boredom, whatever), short of just selling it if there is a buyer, open source is the only other option.

Otoh, things like Cubase just cycle. Many of the people there today probably weren't there 20 years ago. The business is much more separated from the employees.

Justin kinda is Reaper.

Justin · 09-19-2016, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Lawrence

Justin kinda is Reaper.

As long as I don't:

A) lose interest in music altogether (hard to imagine, really, and that would be very sad)
B) get too successful making music for the internet (e.g. http://www.ladynewf.com )
or
C) get too successful playing live shows (e.g. playing bass last Thursday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBlBGnwVIdI )

...then we should be OK (pretty sure we will)!

Also, we all agree here, WTF does "jump the audio shark" mean?

mccrabney · 09-19-2016, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin

As long as I don't: A) lose interest in music altogether (hard to imagine, really, and that would be very sad)

...

or

C) get too successful playing live shows )

hopefully you wear ear protection onstage. deaf men tend to lose interest in music real quick.

Justin · 09-19-2016, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mccrabney

hopefully you wear ear protection onstage. deaf men tend to lose interest in music real quick.

hmm yeah I should be more careful about that

JamesPeters · 09-19-2016, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Coachz

Is someone hijacking my thread ?

Dunno. Kinda hard to tell given the original post, knowing where it was going to go.

James HE · 09-19-2016, 04:16 PM

WTF does "jump the audio shark" mean?

ivansc · 09-19-2016, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin

As long as I don't:

A) lose interest in music altogether (hard to imagine, really, and that would be very sad)
B) get too successful making music for the internet (e.g. http://www.ladynewf.com )
or
C) get too successful playing live shows (e.g. playing bass last Thursday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBlBGnwVIdI )

...then we should be OK (pretty sure we will)!

Also, we all agree here, WTF does "jump the audio shark" mean?

You do realise you have now kick-started the perennial "real bass players dont use picks vs oh yes they do!" debate again?

Bloody troll....

Borodog · 09-19-2016, 04:45 PM

Audio Shark is a great band name imo.

Coachz · 09-19-2016, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin

As long as I don't:

A) lose interest in music altogether (hard to imagine, really, and that would be very sad)
B) get too successful making music for the internet (e.g. http://www.ladynewf.com )
or
C) get too successful playing live shows (e.g. playing bass last Thursday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBlBGnwVIdI )

...then we should be OK (pretty sure we will)!

Also, we all agree here, WTF does "jump the audio shark" mean?

Jump the audio shark means development on that aspect is dead and over. Prove me wrong llama lover!

Justin · 09-19-2016, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Coachz

Jump the audio shark means development on that aspect is dead and over. Prove me wrong llama lover!

I dunno, jumping the audio shark would imply that we add an audio-related feature that is so stupid and pointless, and prevents us from continuing to develop REAPER.

Anyway -- we've done plenty of audio-related improvements in recent times, actually... so not sure how I can prove you wrong more than we have already?

Transient guides are the most recent thing to come to mind. But you mean "what have we done for audio in the last 15 days", I take it?

zappadave · 09-19-2016, 08:36 PM

Happy with the way Reaper is developing.......

(But.........wave editor Justin

)

Kenny Gioia · 09-19-2016, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin

I dunno, jumping the audio shark would imply that we add an audio-related feature that is so stupid and pointless, and prevents us from continuing to develop REAPER.

Anyway -- we've done plenty of audio-related improvements in recent times, actually... so not sure how I can prove you wrong more than we have already?

Transient guides are the most recent thing to come to mind. But you mean "what have we done for audio in the last 15 days", I take it?

If you were really courageous you would remove the headphone jack.

planetnine · 09-19-2016, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenny Gioia

If you were really courageous you would remove the headphone jack.

Is making it thinner-and-therefore-more-trendy worth this stupid backwards step?

The number of iphones that get plugged into my consoles for background music while the charger is plugged into the FOH dist -how are they going to sort this without lots of failure-prone adapters draped across my faders? Form over function once again. Time to get an Android.

Stick a fork in their ass and turn them over -they're done...

Sorry for OT rant

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ivansc · 09-20-2016, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Coachz

Jump the audio shark means development on that aspect is dead and over. Prove me wrong llama lover!

On apoint of order, as far as I am aware Justin really ISN`T a llama lover.
What kind of a lightweight Reaperite are you , that you didnt know that? Sheesh!
(cue eyeroll smiley here)

P.S. Any chance of this moving to the lounge fairly soon? It is obviously going that way when you can even draw Justin into the fray...

ivansc · 09-20-2016, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by planetnine

Time to get an Android.
>

I have been saying for years that the magnetic DC jack retainers on all mac laptops ruins audio performance through self-generated electromagnetic force fields....

Time for the direct brain implants! Or, as you say, get an Android....

https://www.facebook.com/odio.androi?fref=ts

Coachz · 09-20-2016, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Justin

I dunno, jumping the audio shark would imply that we add an audio-related feature that is so stupid and pointless, and prevents us from continuing to develop REAPER.

Anyway -- we've done plenty of audio-related improvements in recent times, actually... so not sure how I can prove you wrong more than we have already?

Transient guides are the most recent thing to come to mind. But you mean "what have we done for audio in the last 15 days", I take it?

Prove me wrong by adding a "Sends track parent faders" option to tracks/folders. You don't like Llamas ??? :-)

Coachz · 09-20-2016, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ivansc

On apoint of order, as far as I am aware Justin really ISN`T a llama lover.
What kind of a lightweight Reaperite are you , that you didnt know that? Sheesh!
(cue eyeroll smiley here)

P.S. Any chance of this moving to the lounge fairly soon? It is obviously going that way when you can even draw Justin into the fray...

Getting direct responses only happens once in a lifetime. That was mine! :-)

ivansc · 09-20-2016, 10:09 PM

Just that this thread has at least given us all a few laughs along the way & it would be nice to think it didnt get buried in the avalanche that is general Discussion....

pipelineaudio · 09-20-2016, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Lawrence

The other 90% is porn and math tutorials.

Whoa! There's math tutorials on the net???

drichard · 09-20-2016, 11:46 PM

You know your users. This "jumped the audio shark" comment shouldn't even be given serious consideration. I'm relatively new to Reaper, but am thrilled with what you have created. It's an amazing tool. It absolutely smokes PT, but I'm sure you already know that.

You're headed in the right direction. As a retired Software Engineer I know you have to prioritize the needs of the majority over a vocal minority, and that there are some people who will never be completely happy. I suggest you not waste time on negativity.

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Originally Posted by Justin

I dunno, jumping the audio shark would imply that we add an audio-related feature that is so stupid and pointless, and prevents us from continuing to develop REAPER.

Anyway -- we've done plenty of audio-related improvements in recent times, actually... so not sure how I can prove you wrong more than we have already?

Transient guides are the most recent thing to come to mind. But you mean "what have we done for audio in the last 15 days", I take it?

ivansc · 09-21-2016, 02:26 AM

sycophantic suck-up!

(hopefully this will also hasten the thread loungewards)

Coachz · 09-21-2016, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by pipelineaudio

Whoa! There's math tutorials on the net???

Yeah, I tried a beginner calculus one a few months ago and was like "This makes no sense" and gave up. So abstract.

Coachz · 09-21-2016, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by drichard

You know your users. This "jumped the audio shark" comment shouldn't even be given serious consideration. I'm relatively new to Reaper, but am thrilled with what you have created. It's an amazing tool. It absolutely smokes PT, but I'm sure you already know that.

You're headed in the right direction. As a retired Software Engineer I know you have to prioritize the needs of the majority over a vocal minority, and that there are some people who will never be completely happy. I suggest you not waste time on negativity.

Thanks for trying to diminish my comments. As a WORKING software engineer I know a good bit about coding too. As you are new to Reaper you do not have the history to know the reasons for my comments so I ask that you refrain from diminishing what are meant to be serious comments unless you can provide an alternate perspective that reflects the history of the app. We all know Reaper is the best. That is not the point.

ivansc · 09-21-2016, 07:01 AM

Excellent stuff, coachZ.

I sort of have a little tiny bit of sympathy for your OP..... after years of the audio side lording it over everything else, it must be hard to be brought down to the same level the rest of us have been at for years...
On second thoughts, Nah! I don't - suck it up!

I'll get my coat. See you in the *lounge*

Coachz · 09-21-2016, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ivansc

Excellent stuff, coachZ.

I sort of have a little tiny bit of sympathy for your OP..... after years of the audio side lording it over everything else, it must be hard to be brought down to the same level the rest of us have been at for years...
On second thoughts, Nah! I don't - suck it up!

I'll get my coat. See you in the *lounge*

WOW life is miserable at your level !

Lawrence · 09-21-2016, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Justin

As long as I don't:

A) lose interest in music altogether (hard to imagine, really, and that would be very sad)

Life happens. It's clearly the case that you enjoy (and are obviously quite proud of) what you do with Reaper but nobody knows how you'll feel about that in 15 years. There may come a time where (for any number of valid reasons) you simply lose interest in it.

Or not. The opposite possibility is just as valid as the former.

And speaking to worst case scenarios (god forbid that should ever happen), if you go skydiving on the weekend and your chute doesn't open, is there someone who can really fully take over Reaper and keep the vision going?

All of that is only to say that the business model is more personal, and more potentially subject to a sudden halt than a revolving corporate model.

To your credit, if I had your cash I'd be too busy subsidizing strippers to be coding so much... so... props.

If I landed in your spot I'd probably have a exceptionally bright guy I snatched from MIT or something coding while I spent my days blowing my cash before I die.

EvilDragon · 09-21-2016, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Lawrence

And speaking to worst case scenarios (god forbid that should ever happen), if you go skydiving on the weekend and your chute doesn't open, is there someone who can really fully take over Reaper and keep the vision going?

If schwa doesn't fit that role I don't know who does...

Lawrence · 09-21-2016, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by EvilDragon

If schwa doesn't fit that role I don't know who does...

That's what I don't know. I know he knows the code base and he has exceptional talent, that's obvious, but John does not = Justin + John. (and vice versa)

Is Reaper Schwa's only job? Can he run the business solo with no... interruption? No idea.

If I were forced to bet on it I'd bet yes though. I think he's done enough to earn that pov or that much faith. Keep in mind, we're talking about something that Justin hasn't even really done, literally doing it all by himself.

All of that is just to say the models are different, that you could drop a bomb on AVID HQ and they'd be right back at it 3 months later with all new people. they'd just drop a bunch of cash and hire a new group of talented developers and keep going. Smaller more personal businesses are not really setup that way, so you see a few of them slowing down when the only developer gets ill or has a personal situation.

At any rate, all of that was speculation on your Open Source comment. Maybe just explain what you meant to remove the speculation about that, I certainly didn't intend to put words in your mouth there.

ivansc · 09-21-2016, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Coachz

WOW life is miserable at your level !

You have no idea! I haven't been recommended to drink beer by my doctors in 20 years due to diabetes... Mind you, beer in the UK actually tastes of something other than chemicals...

Coachz · 09-21-2016, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ivansc

You have no idea! I haven't been recommended to drink beer by my doctors in 20 years due to diabetes... Mind you, beer in the UK actually tastes of something other than chemicals...

I have a micro brewery here that has 16 ounce beers for $5. Great range of beers from light to coffee/chocolatey dark. Life is great.