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Old 10-22-2018, 12:36 PM   #1
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Default v5.961+dev1022 - October 22 2018

v5.961+dev1022 - October 22 2018
+ ReaComp: improved knee behavior, added "Weird knee" checkbox for old behavior (default on old state/presets) [t=208286]
+ ReaFIR: add context menu mode configuration
# ReaFir: embed support mostly working


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Old 10-22-2018, 02:42 PM   #2
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For TCP embedding: it needs a height limit ratio IMO. Maybe a square.

In other words, however tall would a track height be, the height of the embedded ReaEq will be no more than its width.
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Old 10-22-2018, 04:06 PM   #3
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For TCP embedding: it needs a height limit ratio IMO. Maybe a square.

In other words, however tall would a track height be, the height of the embedded ReaEq will be no more than its width.
In some cases it would not be very beneficial.... so maybe have a checkbox that will keep/lock position for specific plugin that was locked... and if you will click on it it will save the size for this type of plugin?


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I think each plug-in should specify its min/max/desired aspect ratio, and preferred minimum/maximum sizes, or something.
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I think each plug-in should specify its min/max/desired aspect ratio, and preferred minimum/maximum sizes, or something.
Is there any chance we could set the individual height for any embedded UI on the same track? Here is the example on different tracks:
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Old 10-23-2018, 02:27 AM   #6
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Embedded FX UI in the TCP certainly looks spectacular, but I do not get what would be its practical use? Anyone, could explain me? Thanks!


Now, on to beta-testing:
- Strange tooltip behaviour



- mousewheel and new ReaEQ shortcuts do not work on the embedded UI.
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Old 10-23-2018, 02:50 AM   #7
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So this is an on-topic but slightly left-field. It's a usability issue with ReaComp. Why not.

The threshold of ReaComp has a very low resolution from controlling it with midi controllers. This is not the case with other compressor thresholds.

It reacts with huge jumps in values at the lower end. I've tested this with midi-learned controls in Relative 1(Arturia Beatstep) and Relative 2 mode (Midi Fighter Twister). Renaissance Comp, DC8C3, MJUC, H-Comp, they all react with much smaller value jumps all around.

I'm turning the knob very slowly. These are single, relative control change messages coming in. It's behaving kinda like I was using an absolute, non-endless knob where I only get 127 values to spread around. I'm using endless encoder knobs to get away from that.

Why does ReaComp do this ?

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Embedded FX UI in the TCP certainly looks spectacular, but I do not get what would be its practical use?
I have slight doubts about it too.

It brought to mind some features which have been requested for a while and could get some work alongside this. Those are:
- fx list in TCP
- custom-colored knobs in TCP and MCP
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Old 10-23-2018, 03:17 AM   #9
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Regarding the embedded UI in TCP for ReaEQ, ReaComp, etc .... it seems to work great in the default theme, but is a bit dicey in other themes, particularly Imperial and its various derivatives.

I can start a new project with Imperial and the UI/TCP works fine, but if I open an existing project and try to embed the UI/TCP into it, it just doesn't happen ... and curiously enough, sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't ... maybe one track will show the UI and another won't. Expanding and contracting the track doesn't seem to do anything to show the UI.

Switching to another theme: Nano, Commala, Abbey Road, or any of the legacy Reaper themes works fine ... just that Imperial and it's variations doesn't seem to support UI/TCP with any consistancy.

Otherwise ... Thank You so much, Justin, for this new feature, as I like watching the waveform without having an FX window obscuring it.

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That embeded UI in TCP is Genius!

With Megababy it's just amazing!

Edit: Now we need A multi meter JS plug-in (VU, TP, LUFS,... )
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Would be really cool to support ReaControlMIDI in the TCP view. Those CC sliders, bank select and program change (as a slider)... Would definitely be awesome.

Yes, track controls can sorta get you there. But there's not enough room to show longer bank/patch names, so this would be perfect.
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Embedded FX UI in the TCP certainly looks spectacular, but I do not get what would be its practical use? Anyone, could explain me? Thanks!
Same here.... Anyone?
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Same here.... Anyone?

Not to spoil the party, but I'm wondering the same about practical use of those. Why would I have fx open in TCP, when I can have it floating or in separate FX window, even docked... Or If I need quick control on TCP, I can use track controls. Not to speak of wonderful LBX Stripper, where I can make entire custom strips...
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Old 10-23-2018, 06:30 AM   #14
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I'm already using reacomp and reaEQ in 2 projects in the TCP.

It's just nice to have quick access to them without having a GUI overlapping your arrangement.

Likewise it allows quick adjustment of multiple FX without fumbling around with a bunch of different windows.
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I'm already using reacomp and reaEQ in 2 projects in the TCP.

It's just nice to have quick access to them without having a GUI overlapping your arrangement.

Likewise it allows quick adjustment of multiple FX without fumbling around with a bunch of different windows.
Euhmmm…. It’s overlapping your arrangement, only in a fixed spot....? (I mean: it’s occupying a certain amount of space regardless?) You can dock windows…?
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Sometimes I get the ominous feeling shiny new stuff is added because nobody else has got something like THIS!!! going… Maybe other practical, boring, day to day stuff needs attention, instead of shiny new thingies…
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A native multi-track analyzer and EQ view for removing frequency conflicts (w/out having to set up a multi-analyzer or other work-around)?

Yes please, and thank you!



Is there a global setting for remembering embedded TCP state by plug-in? New projects are not recalling the enabled setting.
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Old 10-23-2018, 07:19 AM   #18
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Maybe i forgot but is there an option to turn of the analyser in reaeq etc. ? Sometimes i get distracted with too much movement but would love to see my eq changes on the fly for several tracks. Keep up the good work
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Sometimes I get the ominous feeling shiny new stuff is added because nobody else has got something like THIS
This isn't anything radically new for DAWs, other DAWs like Nuendo and even Pro Tools have similar things for their level meters, EQs, surround panners and dynamics processors. Of course Reaper does it in a more flexible way.

By the way, it obviously would be nice to also have these for the mixer control panels.
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Euhmmm…. It’s overlapping your arrangement, only in a fixed spot....? (I mean: it’s occupying a certain amount of space regardless?) You can dock windows…?
I can easily show 10 embedded ReaEQs without messing with my arrangement at all.

Doing that with windows is impossible, and docking reduces available space for TCP and arrangement.

This is much, much nicer.
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This isn't anything radically new for DAWs, other DAWs like Nuendo and even Pro Tools have similar things for their level meters, EQs, surround panners and dynamics processors. Of course Reaper does it in a more flexible way.

By the way, it obviously would be nice to also have these for the mixer control panels.
You mean like the Studio One/logic expanded little EQ thingie etc..? (Nuendo/pro-tools not my thing) It’s certainly implemented in a more restrained fashion…

But they also have other features that seems to me as having a higher priority (for example swipe comping, playlist etc). But not my project, so carry on
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I can easily show 10 embedded ReaEQs without messing with my arrangement at all.

Doing that with windows is impossible, and docking reduces available space for TCP and arrangement.

This is much, much nicer.
A fair point.
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Terrific first post, bruh.
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Sometimes I get the ominous feeling shiny new stuff is added because nobody else has got something like THIS!!! going… Maybe other practical, boring, day to day stuff needs attention, instead of shiny new thingies…
Like Area Selection, so we can join in the ranks of all other DAWs circa 2001 rather than the current dumpster-fire Time-Selection-Marquee-Hope-It-Doesn't-Explode implementation.

I say this with love for 99.9999% of the rest of the DAW, just baffled.
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i imagine things like
- Area selection
- easy click on send panel to show Fx Browser of that send chain
- reorder automation lanes
- current Grid value displayed on the transport

are cliches

i don't see my self using this embebed plugins , but hey looks great!

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Hi EvilDragon, is this an issue related to the current Pre? Otherwise could you please keep FRs to the appropriate forum, thanks.
As it happens, it is - the current pre implements embedded plugin UIs and ReaControlMIDI is a plugin. Thanks for playing though.
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I'm glad you guys don't pick what gets implemented, cause this is a pretty fun and extremely useful feature.

There's lots of things I'd like to see implemented and changed, but I'm constantly surprised by some of the neat things that get implemented that I didn't realize I wanted until it was there.

The embedded TCP feature is a great example.

And it will be even more awesome if/when it makes it to the MCP
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I'm glad you guys don't pick what gets implemented, cause this is a pretty fun and extremely useful feature.

There's lots of things I'd like to see implemented and changed, but I'm constantly surprised by some of the neat things that get implemented that I didn't realize I wanted until it was there.

The embedded TCP feature is a great example.

And it will be even more awesome if/when it makes it to the MCP
That’s just your opinion, like everything else here (just saying…)
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i have a 1280 x 800 screen most of the time! i am glad you are glad! but i am not glad! it's life tho! i'll go on! : )
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So this is an on-topic but slightly left-field. It's a usability issue with ReaComp. Why not.

The threshold of ReaComp has a very low resolution from controlling it with midi controllers. This is not the case with other compressor thresholds.

It reacts with huge jumps in values at the lower end. I've tested this with midi-learned controls in Relative 1(Arturia Beatstep) and Relative 2 mode (Midi Fighter Twister). Renaissance Comp, DC8C3, MJUC, H-Comp, they all react with much smaller value jumps all around.
Yeah, I was planning to say something along the same lines, but for smooth-scrolling faders/plugin parameters with touchpads.
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That’s just your opinion, like everything else here (just saying…)
Exactly! I was just sharing my thoughts.

There's lots of stuff I want (especially certain bugs fixed), but I also try to take time to appreciate what is being done, cause there is a lot of cool stuff.

It's pretty often that I find stuff added that I enjoy more than what I 'would have rather been done'.
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It's pretty often that I find stuff added that I enjoy more than what I 'would have rather been done'.
you are lucky! detailed/complex electronic music production is not on devs sight it seems! not that they have to, it's just a fact (at least the way i see it). Anyway! it's my opinion! i am out off topic sorry. I go. .
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you are lucky! detailed/complex electronic music production is not on devs sight it seems! not that they have to, it's just a fact (at least the way i see it). Anyway! it's my opinion! i am out off topic sorry. I go. .
Not even necessarily complex! Just the visual disconnect between the items and the selection is enough to make the simplest of tasks incredibly frustrating. All other DAWs - you draw a box around stuff, you see the box, you copy/cut/paste/move the box and the stuff follows.
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For the record, embedded Rea plugins in TCP are delicious.
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I am surprised on the amount of toxic comments here.... and from old-time users too.

TCP FX UI is extremely useful for quick EQ and surround adjustments/automatons.(just as an example)


I am baffled there is even a question on how to implement such an awesome feature! (shows that you are not open for new workflow ideas)

Don't be stiff minded, and embrace novelty the same way you embrace old features.


p.s bradbeckett, ED was giving suggestion on the current feature that is in development therefore it's not a FR.


usually ED is very "conservative"... and now I see how many users here are just closed-minded wow, just wow.
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For the record, embedded Rea plugins in TCP are delicious.

Agree!!

+1

Thanks Devs!
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Imperial and it's variations doesn't seem to support UI/TCP with any consistancy.
There are a lot of semi-broken Imperial mods out there*, and a lot of mods based on the initial release but not updated with all the fixes and changes I made during public testing. IIRC some fx parameter section oopsies were included in that, so its possible that's what you are seeing. I'm not seeing any embedded UI problems here sor far, could I ask that you try the real thing and report back please?

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Since when we have tcp embedding, looks cool. Not following all developments in last time, only one exception: hackey trackey, hackey patterns, hackey machines.

It would be cool, if reaper would work in wine with shortcircuit 1.1.2, now each time I start a project with shortcircuit 1.1.2, it can not find the samples, so I have to select the samples sources again, which is not best for having fun. It would be cool, if I could just open the project, hit space and it would play as left last time.

linux 64bit + wine + reaper win32 + shortcircuit 1.1.2 + hackey trackey/patterns, would be I would like to use more frequently. Now the showstopper is shortcircuit 1.1.2 not working well with reaper. In windows it works, as it should. Somehow reaper in wine behaves differently together with shortcircuit? Did anyone else try this combination, any workaround or solutions?
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I am surprised on the amount of toxic comments here.... and from old-time users too.

TCP FX UI is extremely useful for quick EQ and surround adjustments/automatons.(just as an example)


I am baffled there is even a question on how to implement such an awesome feature! (shows that you are not open for new workflow ideas)

Don't be stiff minded, and embrace novelty the same way you embrace old features.


p.s bradbeckett, ED was giving suggestion on the current feature that is in development therefore it's not a FR.


usually ED is very "conservative"... and now I see how many users here are just closed-minded wow, just wow.
Hey Inari, I'm pretty sure everyone is always super excited about new features, and by definition a Reaper user is always interested in new workflows because of the "do anything" paradigm. It's amazing.

The negativity comes from this scenario: imagine renting a unique and innovative apartment with amazing amenities not seen anywhere else -- but the foundation has a crack. The crack is pointed out in 2007, but rather than repair it a fancy new bathroom is installed. A few years later the kitchen is renovated in exciting new ways, but the crack remains untouched and is now growing larger under the weight of all the new real estate. We love the building and find ways to plug the crack, but it continues to rear its ugly head in new and problematic ways with every new renovation.

So yeah, just pointing out that Copy/Cut/Paste/Move in Reaper (of all things!) could use a lesson from literally every other DAW in 2018. That drawing boxes around things on a grid is probably a good way to go. <3
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In my own theme, i can't see TCP FX UI.

Issue in the code ?

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use_pngs 1
tcp_showborders 0
mcp_showborders 1
tcp_vupeakwidth 2
mcp_vupeakheight 2
mcp_mastervupeakheight 2
mcp_altmeterpos 0
use_overlays 1
transport_showborders 0
tcp_vol_zeroline 85000000
tcp_pan_zeroline 85000000
mcp_vol_zeroline 85000000
mcp_pan_zeroline 85000000
trans_speed_zeroline 99999999
gen_vol_zeroline FF000000
gen_pan_zeroline FF000000
mcp_min_height 257
tcp_heights 4 26 49 71 ; supercollapsed, collapsed, small(norecarm), recarm size
mcp_voltext_flags 6
tcp_voltext_flags 61
tcp_voltext_flags 1
tcp_master_voltext_flags 1
mcp_master_voltext_flags 1
mcp_voltext_flags 1
tcp_folderindent 9
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clear tcp.*
front tcp.trackidx tcp.folder tcp.foldercomp
set tcp.size [261 72]
set tcp.folder h>60 [243 49 15 20 1 1 1 1]
set tcp.foldercomp h>60 [243 59 15 10 1 1 1 1]
set tcp.trackidx.color [20 20 100]
set tcp.volume.label h>45 w>152 [21 31.2 40 9 0 0 0 0]
set tcp.volume.label.color [210 210 260]
set tcp.label.color [200 200 240]
set tcp.volume.label.margin [0 0 0 0]
set tcp.recinput.color [20 21 24]
set tcp.label w>128 [3 4 198 19 0 0 1 0]
set tcp.label.margin [3.5 0 3.2 0 0.5]
set tcp.mono [57 48 27 19 0 0 0 0]
set tcp.recarm h>45 [3 26 10 19 0 0 0 0]
set tcp.mute [203 4 19 20 1 0 1 0]
set tcp.solo [223 4 19 20 1 0 1 0]
set tcp.volume h>60 [15 25 227 21 0 0 1 0] h>45 [15 25 162 21 0 0 1 0]
set tcp.pan w>165 h>80 [-1 47 244 21 0 0 1 0] h>60 [91 47 151 21 0 0 1 0] h>45 [175 25 68 21 1 0 1 0]
set tcp.pan w<165 h>80 [-1 47 244 21 0 0 1 0]
set tcp.width w>180 h>80 [91 69 148 21 0 0 1 0]
set tcp.io h>80 [55 70 17 20 0 0 0 0] h>60 [55 48 17 20 0 0 0 0]
set tcp.fx h>80 [9 70 23 20 0 0 0 0] h>60 [9 48 23 20 0 0 0 0]
set tcp.fxbyp h>80 [3 70 7 20 0 0 0 0] h>60 [3 48 7 20 0 0 0 0]
set tcp.meter h>60 [246 5 9 42 1 0 1 1] h>0 [246 5 9 62 1 0 1 1]
set tcp.env h>80 [35 70 17 20 0 0 0 0] h>60 [35 48 17 20 0 0 0 0]
set tcp.recmon w>141 h>60 [75 48 17 20 0 0 0 0]
set tcp.recmon w>141 h>80 [75 70 17 20 0 0 0 0]
set tcp.recmon w<141 h>110 [37 91 17 20 0 0 0 0]
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