“SSL connect error (35): schannel: AcquireCredentialsHandle failed: SEC_E_INTERNAL_ER

[Paul99]

Hello to all Linux Reaper fellows!

Long term Reaper user. About a year ago I switched from windows to Linux (MX21).
I had to deal with several issues running Reaper Linux with my Windows plugins, but I managed quite a lot.

Problem is however using Kontakt with a piano library like The Giant.
Turns out: Yabrdige is the culprit that takes my processor down (lots of RT xruns).
BTW: I tried other distributions like AV and Manjaro: all had the same problem with not being able to run Kontakt and The Giant. All Yabdrige related CPU spikes.

So I thought: let’s try using windows Reaper within my MX21. To my big surprise: that worked way better! I can run The Giant without a problem!

So that is the good news.

Problem is: I cannot use Reapack. When I try to browse the internal libraries I get this message on every library:
“SSL connect error (35): schannel: AcquireCredentialsHandle failed: SEC_E_INTERNAL_ERROR (0x80090304)”

I tried googling it, but it seems all related to using Windows as OS and I have Linux, with Reaper running via Wine.

So, what could be the issue here and how to solve it?

Kind regards,
Paul

[Paul99]

UPDATE:
I discovered a workaround: I can download the specific plugin(s) via ReaPack in my Linux Reaper and then copy over to my Windows Linux.
Not ideal, but it works just in case. I just have to notice important updates.

But more important: Wine turns out to be a bit more unstable than I thought it was. Turns out I suddenly got another problem when Kontakt did not want to start anymore. I must admit, I do try a lot of software and apparently it is not something good to to do to your "main" system. So thanks to Timeshift I recovered a backup image and now all is working again. I can "normally" use Reapack and install.

Lesson learnt: never try things out with your main system. I created a test Linux in which I can test anything without jeopardizing your main system.
Did I not know this? Well, ehhh, yes, of course. As a (formal) windows user I knew very well to never touch my system unnecessarily but I hoped that Linux would be different. And yes, Linux is different and stable, but Wine is not. After all, Wine is a bit of windows, so be careful, very careful!!!

[Glennbo]

Have you ever tried running REAPER for Linux, and using LinVST as the bridge? I don't have The Giant or any other huge libraries for Kontakt, but I've run Kontakt with LinVST for about 5 years, only briefly switching to Yabridge until I had issues with it a couple of times.

[Paul99]

Hi Glenn,

No I have not yet tried LinVST. I must admit, I am not a very smart guy, so when I could get a little bit of help from a person using Linux for years and a little bit of experience with Wine, I choose MX21 and Wine. Also because when reading articles and viewing youtube video's, I thought all had pro's and con's. It seems just a matter of getting used to it.
Next to to MX21, I tried a lot of other distro's (also with Pipewire), but to no avail. And it took me a lot of time. So I was glad that after a long period of testing I finally had a system that enabled me to do my regularly work with and also having a Reaper config for my Kontakt libraries. I don't need Yabridge anymore which obviously was the problem for my CPU. Maybe in the future I will try LinVST to check it out. Of course, using some sort of windows is still crappy. Some programs won't even install because of a missing windows dll. It's a real p.i.a examining which one. I did not manage to get programs installed that use Visual C. Not smart enough to know how to discover that.

BTW: what distro are you running?

[Glennbo]

Originally Posted by Paul99

Hi Glenn,

No I have not yet tried LinVST. I must admit, I am not a very smart guy, so when I could get a little bit of help from a person using Linux for years and a little bit of experience with Wine, I choose MX21 and Wine. Also because when reading articles and viewing youtube video's, I thought all had pro's and con's. It seems just a matter of getting used to it.
Next to to MX21, I tried a lot of other distro's (also with Pipewire), but to no avail. And it took me a lot of time. So I was glad that after a long period of testing I finally had a system that enabled me to do my regularly work with and also having a Reaper config for my Kontakt libraries. I don't need Yabridge anymore which obviously was the problem for my CPU. Maybe in the future I will try LinVST to check it out. Of course, using some sort of windows is still crappy. Some programs won't even install because of a missing windows dll. It's a real p.i.a examining which one. I did not manage to get programs installed that use Visual C. Not smart enough to know how to discover that.

BTW: what distro are you running?

I've been running Manjaro for a few years now. When I first switched to Linux 5 years ago, I started with Xubuntu, but when I built a new DAW with PCIe 4.0, I switched to Manjaro, because it's updated more frequently, and I wanted to be sure the PCIe 4.0 support was in the OS.

As for LinVST, it might have the same issue as Yabridge, but it's possible that it doesn't. There's only one way to know, and that's to try it at some point. In general, I think running REAPER for Linux on Linux is better than running REAPER for Windows in WINE, because the audio hardware is more directly accessed with the native Linux version.

[Paul99]

Well, I did try Manjaro with Jack and Wine. Unfortunately I had the same performance problems as with MX21. The same with AV and Wine. At first Manjaro performed better than MX21, but when I changed my RTprio to 98 and memlock to unlimited in MX21, both had the problems at the same time in the same circumstances. For me the moment to decide to keep using MX21 for my regularly and my music things. And since windows Reaper performed better (still not as good as Reaper windows under windows), and I don't run huge projects, this will work for me.

Last thing: what could trouble things a little bit (or more...), is that I use my MX21 from an external USB 3.0 SSD. When I started trying Linux, I did not want to change my running Win10 system. So the possibility to try out Linux without problems was an extra incentive for me to go and try Linux. In the beginning I sometimes changed to Windows to get some sort of work done, but now I do everything in MX21. Linux is great. I had bought several programs (Total Commander, a video edit program, Office and a virus program...), but there are free versions in Linux for all these! Even more reason to change. I am a happy Linux user. I hope that integration of windows plugins will get a bit better and also easier. Probably just a matter of time!

[Glennbo]

Originally Posted by Paul99

Well, I did try Manjaro with Jack and Wine. Unfortunately I had the same performance problems as with MX21. The same with AV and Wine. At first Manjaro performed better than MX21, but when I changed my RTprio to 98 and memlock to unlimited in MX21, both had the problems at the same time in the same circumstances. For me the moment to decide to keep using MX21 for my regularly and my music things. And since windows Reaper performed better (still not as good as Reaper windows under windows), and I don't run huge projects, this will work for me.

Using what works for your way of doing things is always the best way to go. Everybody has different needs and different hardware, so there isn't one solution that works for everyone. Ultra low latency is one of my biggest priorities, so running native Linux REAPER makes sense for my use.

Last thing: what could trouble things a little bit (or more...), is that I use my MX21 from an external USB 3.0 SSD. When I started trying Linux, I did not want to change my running Win10 system. So the possibility to try out Linux without problems was an extra incentive for me to go and try Linux. In the beginning I sometimes changed to Windows to get some sort of work done, but now I do everything in MX21. Linux is great. I had bought several programs (Total Commander, a video edit program, Office and a virus program...), but there are free versions in Linux for all these! Even more reason to change. I am a happy Linux user. I hope that integration of windows plugins will get a bit better and also easier. Probably just a matter of time!

Using an external SSD will definitely have a negative impact on REAPER's performance, whether you are running the native Linux version, or the Windows version in WINE. If you are still running Linux from an external SSD, moving to an internal SSD or better yet, an NVMe M.2 drive if your system supports it, will improve REAPER's performance, no matter which version you use.

[Paul99]

Well, I do hope you are right. And my MX21 will run better from an internal SSD.

My next PC will of course be a native Linux only. I am looking for those very small boxes. Problem is that they are not sold in shops. I have to order them from UK or Germany. Somehow I always could buy my PC in a small computershop, but they all gone bankrupt by those "cheap" webshops. I call then cheap, because whenever there's a problem, you really have a problem. When the moment arrives, I will ask here where members buy their hardware and why.

Nice fun fact: I have a Roland FA-06 keyboard. It had to be installed via internet, very cumbersome. It took a lot of attempts. But with Linux: plug it in and it is recognized.
Ha, eat that m$!

[heda]

For Kontakt, yabridge works better with wine-tkg instead of wine-staging. But I don't know how to build it for Linux MX. It is easy in Manjaro.

[Paul99]

Hello Heda, would you like to explain a bit more about wine-tkg in Manjaro? I already have an SSD with Manjaro on it that I do not use anymore since it did not work for Kontakt so I could test with that.

[Mcgiver69]

You can algo try this guide to Linux audio

https://linux-pro-audio.blogspot.com...nal-audio.html

[heda]

Originally Posted by Paul99

Hello Heda, would you like to explain a bit more about wine-tkg in Manjaro? I already have an SSD with Manjaro on it that I do not use anymore since it did not work for Kontakt so I could test with that.

I've found this info for you for wine-tkg: https://madskjeldgaard.dk/posts/impr...ance-wine-tkg/

I use Linux MX, and wine-staging with the variable to use esync, and I get good performance, maybe not as good or stable as wine-tkg but good enough.

[Paul99]

Thank you Mcgiver69, I will read that!

Thank you too Heda for your link.

@Heda: I do not understand what you mean with "esync"? The only thing I change is adding some windows dll-libraries like mfc42 and vcrun6 to get some windows programs to install. (error solved by googling it, GIYBF).
And what do you mean with good performance? I can run Reaper Linux with a lot of VST(i)'s, but when I use Kontakt with a piano library like The Giant and I play a bit "forte", my CPU goes sky high and the culprit is Yabridge. Which inevitable leads to Reaper getting stuck with a loud hum and I have to terminate Reaper.
And this problem that Yabridge causes is apparently bypassed when using windows Reaper.

So I am curious how Linux Reaper performs in your MX?