Old 09-19-2018, 08:25 AM   #1
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dmesg | grep microcode

microcode: microcode updated early to revision 0xa, date = 2018-05-08

The Intel microcode for the Lynnfield i5 finally came down the pipe this month, patching my nine year old CPU against Spectre.

The Windows 7 I have setup on this dual boot machine will NEVER get that fix, and there is no way I'm ever going to run Windows 10.

Linux just keeps getting better and better.
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Old 09-19-2018, 11:28 PM   #2
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Did you ever used Linux live isos to fix and rescue broken Win installs? Try to do the opposite... LOL
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Old 09-20-2018, 07:53 AM   #3
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Did you ever used Linux live isos to fix and rescue broken Win installs? Try to do the opposite... LOL
I have never used a Windows disk to fix Linux, but twice I've used live Linux disks to fix Windows.

Now I'm trying to figure out how to give more space from my SSD to Linux. When I setup the dual boot DAW, I thought I would need Windows to have the larger amount of free space.

After installing lots of plugins that I never imagined would work in Linux, I'm down to 8.3GB of free space, and the Windows partition still has 115GB free.

Probably way too dangerous to do something like boot Windows, shrink it's volume, then boot back into Linux and try to add the un-partitioned to the existing Linux volume, if that's even possible.
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Old 09-20-2018, 03:20 PM   #4
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Now I'm trying to figure out how to give more space from my SSD to Linux. When I setup the dual boot DAW, I thought I would need Windows to have the larger amount of free space.
Yeah, windows partition resizing is annoying. Lots of conflicting info out there. "Just do this", different webpage: "that's unreliable, do this", different webpage: "do this instead", etc etc. Here are a couple threads:

https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2087466
https://unix.stackexchange.com/quest...-using-gparted

I'm having the opposite issue, where Windows takes up gargantuan amounts of disk space and there isn't enough room left in the partition to install other absolutely gigantic things, like the windows IDE or new plugin versions. With Linux you can offload whole chunks of stuff to other partitions to free up space on /. No such option on windows, AFAIK.

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Probably way too dangerous to do something like boot Windows, shrink it's volume, then boot back into Linux and try to add the un-partitioned to the existing Linux volume, if that's even possible.
Apparently you can change the windows partition while booted in to it, but you can't do that for the linux side (AFAIK, unless some of the newer file systems allow it); you would boot to a flash drive with a linux ISO burned to it and resize the partition from there. Otherwise, linux is pretty effortless in terms of changing partition sizes (make sure you are changing the partition size, not making a new partition, which would erase the data. And it goes without saying that you would back everything up first.)
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I just rebooted my linux laptop into Windows to test something... and well it's rebooted 3 times installing updates, then it's done, I log in, now it says "we have updates, this might take several minutes..." .. it never ends. I just wanted to do something that would take 3 minutes, now it's 15 and counting. This is a fast laptop, too. Sigh. "Almost there". fuck off.
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Congrats Microsoft, you managed to annoy Justin of all people, i'm impressed.

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I just rebooted my linux laptop into Windows to test something... and well it's rebooted 3 times installing updates...
That sounds all too familiar... and the best that you can hope for is after its done all those updates that you can't opt out of, and its finally finished restarting, that it's - hopefully - just the same as it was before

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Always heartening to hear when far better programmers than me are as frustrated with it. :-)
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I just rebooted my linux laptop into Windows to test something... and well it's rebooted 3 times installing updates, then it's done, I log in, now it says "we have updates, this might take several minutes..." .. it never ends. I just wanted to do something that would take 3 minutes, now it's 15 and counting. This is a fast laptop, too. Sigh. "Almost there". fuck off.
Just turn them off in services.
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Yeah, windows partition resizing is annoying. Lots of conflicting info out there. "Just do this", different webpage: "that's unreliable, do this", different webpage: "do this instead", etc etc. Here are a couple threads:

https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2087466
https://unix.stackexchange.com/quest...-using-gparted

I'm having the opposite issue, where Windows takes up gargantuan amounts of disk space and there isn't enough room left in the partition to install other absolutely gigantic things, like the windows IDE or new plugin versions. With Linux you can offload whole chunks of stuff to other partitions to free up space on /. No such option on windows, AFAIK.



Apparently you can change the windows partition while booted in to it, but you can't do that for the linux side (AFAIK, unless some of the newer file systems allow it); you would boot to a flash drive with a linux ISO burned to it and resize the partition from there. Otherwise, linux is pretty effortless in terms of changing partition sizes (make sure you are changing the partition size, not making a new partition, which would erase the data. And it goes without saying that you would back everything up first.)
I did shrink the Windows partition initially, when I first setup Linux, and that worked fine. Problem was I only gave 30GB to Linux thinking it would only be used for internet stuff.

Checked out yours and a few other articles and it looks like it is possible to shrink the Windows partition more, and then allocate the un-partitioned space to the existing Linux partition. Still sounds dangerous though!
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Just turn them off in services.
I'd like to have the option of updating it when it's convenient...
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Checked out yours and a few other articles and it looks like it is possible to shrink the Windows partition more, and then allocate the un-partitioned space to the existing Linux partition. Still sounds dangerous though!
Yeah, I get you, it's always nerve-wracking to mess with that stuff. I'm most nervous to mess with grub. The whole world of UEFI/non-UEFI, ms-dos partition tables vs gpt, bootloaders and mbr's, bootrepair... always a nightmare for me. Nothing online seems to work, finding good info is like pulling teeth. But it sounds like you've had some success with the hard part (the windows side). I wouldn't be as worried about linux, as long as you know the basics of partition management (e.g. as I said, not overwriting the partition, not changing the UUID somehow, not messing with grub, etc.) And anything that does go wrong on linux can usually be fixed without much pain, as opposed to windows. Just do a partition image before you start. Hell, even reinstalling linux from scratch isn't hard once you go through it (take notes.) Might even be healthy to backup your /home and do a fresh install of linux for the sake of it.

If you don't want to change the linux partition, you can also offload stuff to other (possibly new, possibly existing.) partitions. Not necessarily suggesting this (resizing is probably the easiest option) but if you have some other drive connected you could probably just symlink some directories to somewhere else and save a bunch of room. I have a tight root partition (small SSD shared by windows and linux) and this is what I do. The programs baobab or k4dirstat (if you're on KDE) can give you an idea of what is taking up space (e.g. unused kernels, leftover config files for uninstalled packages, .cache directories, etc.) Sometimes you can free a surprising amount of space. Linux doesn't have a windows order of bloat but it's not without cruft.
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I'd like to have the option of updating it when it's convenient...
I've completely disabled updates and use utility to download/install them manually.
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I'd like to have the option of updating it when it's convenient...
+1, IMO this is the most infuriating behaviour of windows..
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FWIW I've resized ext4 partitions many times using gparted without any problems. I did manage to kill a ntfs partition (windows install) with it though
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+1, IMO this is the most infuriating behaviour of windows..
So, I read that in Win 10 (I'm still on 8.1, couldn't face the fears of upgrading) you can disable all updates... is it so hard to reenable when you want to upgrade? What's the bottom line on these issues these days?
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So, I read that in Win 10 (I'm still on 8.1, couldn't face the fears of upgrading) you can disable all updates... is it so hard to reenable when you want to upgrade? What's the bottom line on these issues these days?
FWIW, I've always had mine configured to update/restart during inactive hours and I also get a notifications that I can defer (assuming I'm up late). So typically this is a problem I never see - the main exception is say a laptop that has been off long enough that when it boots, it's way past all the deadlines - that can likely be deferred too but it's one of those things where if you forget, it might update unexpectedly.

I'd have to test that in a VM or something to provide more details but on my main DAW it hasn't happened to me - I think it did happen last year on a laptop I booted to do something quickly so that was a little frustrating at the time.
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FWIW I've resized ext4 partitions many times using gparted without any problems. I did manage to kill a ntfs partition (windows install) with it though
Merging the existing 30GB ext4 partition with fresh unpartitioned space taken from Windows, and not hosing the Linux side of the house is my only real concern. I may give it a go this weekend.
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Merging the existing 30GB ext4 partition with fresh unpartitioned space taken from Windows, and not hosing the Linux side of the house is my only real concern. I may give it a go this weekend.
AFAIK the thing to watch out for is that the path to the root partition might change; if the UUID is changed (shouldn't be, as I understand it) you'll need to update /etc/fstab to reflect that. /etc/fstab might also not use the UUID: If there are such parts of the system that refer to the root partition with e.g. /dev/sda3, that might change if a partition ahead of it goes away (e.g. if /dev/sda2 is the 30GB partition). AFAIK most grub configs point at UUIDs now, but if I'm wrong, that could need tweaking.
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AFAIK the thing to watch out for is that the path to the root partition might change; if the UUID is changed (shouldn't be, as I understand it) you'll need to update /etc/fstab to reflect that. /etc/fstab might also not use the UUID: If there are such parts of the system that refer to the root partition with e.g. /dev/sda3, that might change if a partition ahead of it goes away (e.g. if /dev/sda2 is the 30GB partition). AFAIK most grub configs point at UUIDs now, but if I'm wrong, that could need tweaking.
I now have 102.2GB of free SSD on the Linux side of the house.

Windows OTOH is left with a measly 15GB.

It all went pretty smooth, resizing Windows by close to 90GB, rebooting to a live Linux DVD, running gparted and adding a new *front* to a back half that was the original Linux partition.

This did in fact warn that shit was going to change, and system might not boot, but I had my kid over, who's an Arch aficionado, and right after allocating the new beginning to the partition, he made a few tweaks to things, rebooted, and both OS's boot fine.

Just the majority of unused space on the SSD is now available to Linux.
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I just rebooted my linux laptop into Windows to test something... and well it's rebooted 3 times installing updates, then it's done, I log in, now it says "we have updates, this might take several minutes..." .. it never ends. I just wanted to do something that would take 3 minutes, now it's 15 and counting. This is a fast laptop, too. Sigh. "Almost there". fuck off.
The exact reason i am keeping a Linux install on a small laptop running Reaper, need to get used to it because Windows gets worse for random updates on each big release.
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Not only Rock, it EDMs also!
My Linux usage/uptime have neeever been this much, did not expect that some time ago, but I am a dual booter still though.
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