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01-19-2020, 07:48 AM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Socialist Utopia
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Aloha + dumb bass question
Newbie says hi,
I’m a lifer, guitarist/vocalist, who quite recently realized some compositions would benefit from a real bass. So far ive “faked” basslines with my Gretch, but... it doesnt fool anyone. Kinda OK for demo’s but not much more. A bass is a bass. But I can not fit another amp into my tiny apartment (seriously), so here goes my question(s):
- Can I use a virtual amp (recommend me free .vst’s eh!) to record bass?
- Will I “lose” something, as opposed to a big ass 100W amp, by doing so?
- How dumb am I, in dreaming of actually buying a bass but no amp? Be honest.
Cheers!
SoG
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01-19-2020, 08:00 AM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: NWPA
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If you get a decent bass DI...that's a"normal" way to record bass (with or without an amp). You might have fun shopping for a bass DI. I use an Avalon U5, but there are many awesome options. Have fun!
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01-19-2020, 08:14 AM
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Human being with feelings
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Studiodawg
If you get a decent bass DI...that's a"normal" way to record bass (with or without an amp). You might have fun shopping for a bass DI. I use an Avalon U5, but there are many awesome options. Have fun!
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I got a Roland Duo Capture, with 1 direct input for guitars (/bass?), does that constitute a DI?
I mean I’ve toyed around with guitars that way, playing with virtual amps, does it ‘do’ bass as well?
Thanks for your response, either way!
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01-19-2020, 08:17 AM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Apr 2007
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As Joe Meek taught us, if it sounds good, it is good. Try it, I would!
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01-19-2020, 08:38 AM
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Human being with feelings
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Probably exactly what I will do! Joe Meek sounds like me. Except I am cheap
I hope my music nerd shop will “loan” me a bass for this project. As in: 7-30 days return policy...
After plugging a bass in - what kind of ‘virtual amp’ I should go for, next? Recommendations?
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01-19-2020, 08:49 AM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: NWPA
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I don't have any suggestions. I've f'd around with them and do have some sort of Waves guitar virtual amp that has mojo, but personally I usually like my bass clean.
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01-19-2020, 10:37 AM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 4,843
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you haven't said what sort of sound you are going for, but i would start simple by DIing & then experimenting with Bass Professor 2 to see if that gets you anywhere, then start thinking about amp sims if you need them.
http://www.vst4free.com/free_vst.php...MarkII&id=2590
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01-19-2020, 10:52 AM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: New Zealand
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I have three basses
I have three Preamps
I do not have a bass amp
I have some material on Soundcloud which maybe is not the right medium to hear what a bass sounds like without going through an "Amp" as such however
it may give you an idea.
The best sound I have got so far for my bass is through my Focusrite ISA 220.
There are some out there who doubt this preamp however for bass I would give it the big tick.
https://soundcloud.com/steve-maitland-1/the-hearing
Grinder
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01-19-2020, 11:05 AM
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Human being with feelings
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grinder, Thanks for me mentioning the Focusrite ISA 220. I'm always interested in different DIs for bass. SOG, you can always visit the TalkBass Forum where you'll get way too much info on bass DIs.
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01-19-2020, 11:27 AM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: New Zealand
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I got a shock with the 220 studiodawg
I say this because I purchased the 220 as many of us do, in the early days because of advertising.
I threw vocals at it, acoustic guitars and electric I was not sold. I left it alone for many years.
I was using a Groove tubes Vipre for bass then I had to send the Vipre in for love and attention. I then tried the Focusrite with my Fender basses jazz and Precision what a match I have not looked back...
The low pass and high pass filters are great by the way.
Grinder
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01-19-2020, 11:35 AM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Apr 2014
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I bought a bass for recording purposes, like you I play guitar but needed a bass for recording. I bought a 300 dollar Yamaha bass, plug it directly into my interface and use the Ignite Amps plugin and IR files, no amp.
If your Aloha suggests you're in Hawaii, I live in Honolulu and am working on some recording projects in Kailua where I could use another guitar player and male vocalist.
If you're on Oahu, let me know if you're interested.
Good Luck
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01-19-2020, 12:58 PM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Socialist Utopia
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Damn man, I SO wish I was in Hawaii. I live pretty much on the other side of the world. Cold and dark here!
Hey, thanks to all the responses to this thread... I basically wanted to check if playing bass “directly in” thru my pre-amp would work. As I understood, I might even find a basic bass sound there easily, without much of VST/etc-garbage in between. It looks like I’m gonna look for a cheap bass. This one doom’y piece I recently put together just DIES while screaming for a bass to be added into.
Stylistically, I am an old hardcore/punk/metal/fast-loud-rock player (with maybe 5-7 years of live bassist experience in the 90’s/00’s), evolving (?) towards a simpler/mellower sound. I guess. Xanax Folk/Murder Blues? Having fun trying to learn drum machine composing, vintage synths, and now bass. Less screaming, more actual singing, nowadays. Also, I can’t mix for poop, my first 18+ months or so with Reaper have passed and I’m still recording ‘demo’s & covers. MO: I’ll mix all that chit later.
I like this place already.
PS: grinder, I’ll have a listen! (do you get ‘grinder’ from a life in poker?)
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01-19-2020, 01:10 PM
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Human being with feelings
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Quote:
Originally Posted by grinder
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1) sounds like a proper bass to me
2) sounds like you’re a REAL bass player! (I am not, more of a “fill-in”, me!)
3) wicked drums, I like!
Bass plugged in #1, then. Good to go, with no physical bass amp? Eh? EHH?
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01-19-2020, 02:30 PM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: New Zealand
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No no no no no Kia ora
Spine of God
I am or was a Jade carver had a website till last month got rid of it too many plastic models for people to buy...
47 years being an artist in Pounamu
grinding grinding and grinding!
Time to follow writing music now.
51 years writing my own material no time to waste is there..
Where would music be without drums and bass!
Grinder
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01-26-2020, 07:39 AM
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Join Date: May 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spine Of God
Bass plugged in #1, then. Good to go, with no physical bass amp? Eh? EHH?
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Sure, we're living in the future after all. Some people can make direct signal sound awesome with no amp sims, for the rest of us there's virtual Ampegs and stuff.
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01-26-2020, 09:02 AM
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Human being with feelings
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01-26-2020, 10:38 AM
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01-26-2020, 03:03 PM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Raleigh, NC, USA
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Bass is my primary instrument, and I pay a LOT of attention to my tones. I've always plugged directly into my interface (Scarlett 2i4) with excellent results. Of course my tastes run to a more proggy or jazz clean sound.
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