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Old 12-24-2019, 08:54 AM   #1
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Default how to properly side-chain dynamic EQ for 3 overlapping voice tracks for podcast?

When mixing and mastering a podcast with three or more speakers, I'm having a tough time how to visualize sidechain dynamic EQ so when three people are talking over each other, the clashing frequencies get ducked down through dynamic EQ so all three voices are intelligible and don't run together. Fortunately, I can edit offline and don't need to do this in realtime!

There are three mono voice tracks

The current track layout is:

[Host1] at 50% panning Left
[Guest] at Center
[Host2] at 50% panning Right

[Guest] has a voice that clashes with [Host1] and [Host2] when all three people are talking over each other.

[Host1] has frequencies that clash with [Host2] when both are talking over each other, which are different than the frequencies that clash with [Guest]

What I want to do is using a dynamic EQ (versus a compressor) to duck out frequencies from [Guest] that clash with [Host1] and [Host2] when all three are talking, while also ducking out frequencies from [Host2] that clash with [Host1].

This is pretty straightforward with dealing with only two vocals but I'm having a hard time figuring out how to do it properly with three vocals. At some point, I might have to do this with 4 or more vocals as well.

Currently, the best way I can visualize how to do this is the following:

[Host1] ---> [Track 4]
[Guest] ---> [Track 7]
[Host2] ---> [Track 5]

Use [Track 4] as a sidechain for dynamic EQ on [Track 5] to duck overlapping frequencies when [Host1] and [Host2] are talking at the same time

[Track 4] ---> [Track 6], -3dB
[Track 5] ---> [Track 6], -3dB
Sent at -3dB to keep track 6 at same volume as track 4 and track 5 when talking over each other

Use [Track 6] as a sidechain for dynamic EQ on [Track 7] to duck overlapping frequencies when [Host1] and [Host2] are talking at the same time as [Guest]

[Track 5] to [Master]
[Track 4] to [Master]
[Track 7] to [Master]

Use compression and overall EQ to taste on [Master]

Does this seem correct?

Obviously, with a podcast many platforms are mono, otherwise, you could just rely on the physical stereo speakers to deal with any intelligibility issues.

Of course, if anyone knows of a plugin specifically for overlapping speech that will do this for me that would be amazing

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Old 12-24-2019, 12:35 PM   #2
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so when three people are talking over each other
I don't think there is ANY solution for that. I'd guess you're just going to end-up making it sound weird.


If each voice is on a separate track you can fade-down the "less important" voices, or you could even time-shift them but that's probably not going to sound natural. Or you could do a "take two" with the hosts and splice-in the existing guest track.


If you're stuck with a stereo mix you can try something similar by fading-down the left or right channel but that's probably not going to help that much.
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Old 12-27-2019, 08:35 AM   #3
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Thanks! Yea I have to make a stereo mix from three mono voice channels that is also mono compatible on the downmix, so it’s a bit tough. My first thought was to time-shift but there’s too much mic bleed in each track so you get a weird ghost effect which is unacceptable.

Ducking out overlapping frequencies does work pretty well when only two people are talking over each other, but throw in three and it gets complicated real fast! They are all males voices too, so no luck have a higher pitched voice to cut through
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Old 12-27-2019, 01:12 PM   #4
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You might want to have a look at https://www.wavesfactory.com/trackspacer/

But I'm sure there are other dynamic EQ things that would work.

place an instance on guest and sidechain it from both hosts
another instance on host 1 and sidechain that from host 2
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Old 01-02-2020, 03:03 PM   #5
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You might want to have a look at https://www.wavesfactory.com/trackspacer/

But I'm sure there are other dynamic EQ things that would work.

place an instance on guest and sidechain it from both hosts
another instance on host 1 and sidechain that from host 2
Holy sh-t that looks like pretty much exactly what I'm looking for. The price is really reasonable as well!
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Old 01-19-2020, 08:06 AM   #6
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https://www.wavesfactory.com/trackspacer/

This works like a charm - sidechained it as above, set it to around 33% and it's perfect. Also love the fact it has built-in high and lowpass crossovers, adjustable effect anywhere between Mid/Side and Left/Right channels.

Thanks!

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Ever consider asking them not to all talk at once?
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