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07-16-2020, 02:57 PM
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Make automation points larger / easier to click and drag
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Originally Posted by BirdBird
Since everyone seems to be talking about envelopes...
The envelope points REAPER has are tiny and really hard to tweak compared to envelopes on other DAWs.
Here are some comparisons:
Could we perhaps get an option to scale the envelope point size, and have them use the space better when the envelopes are zoomed in vertically?
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Reaper automation is phenomenal, but the individual points are small, and difficult to grab for dragging.
Feature request: make them just a couple pixels larger (perhaps 10px instead of 7px). Better yet (and in Reaper fashion), make a preference that allows the user to specify the pixel size for the automation point so it's as big or small as they like!
Credit to BirdBird for the image quoted above - it helps show this issue visually, and why the feature request would be helpful!
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07-16-2020, 04:29 PM
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Excellent idea. Also note how Cubase drives readability further by having the points be brighter than the line and having a thin outline that gives them the impression of some height.
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07-17-2020, 01:54 PM
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yes please +1
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07-17-2020, 03:52 PM
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+1 from me
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07-17-2020, 04:27 PM
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Yes very much so especially when they get up at the top of the range they're even harder than they normally are which is already hard
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07-19-2020, 09:22 AM
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Sounds good. Worth a look for a possible improvement.
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07-19-2020, 09:35 AM
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obviously +1
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07-19-2020, 11:21 AM
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What about a "snap"-feature, which snaps your mousecursor to the nearest envelope-point? Like snap works on the edges of items?
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07-19-2020, 11:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Meo-Ada Mespotine
What about a "snap"-feature, which snaps your mousecursor to the nearest envelope-point? Like snap works on the edges of items?
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If they were just bigger snap would not be needed.
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07-19-2020, 01:15 PM
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Yep, +1 from me as well.
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07-19-2020, 03:02 PM
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A big +1 from me! Pls developers make the envelope points size customisable pls
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07-19-2020, 06:45 PM
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+++++
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07-19-2020, 11:48 PM
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plus 1
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07-20-2020, 05:31 AM
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Didn’t I comment already? Anyway, big +1! Can be so fiddly at times..
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07-20-2020, 04:06 PM
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+1 to bigger envelope points, preferably with adjustable size and brightness.
I think this should be considered as accessibility feature. It matters especially for people with less than perfect eyesight, as well as users of Hi-DPI/Retina displays.
Speaking as someone with decreased visual acuity: from above examples, Cubase's dots are easiest to discern due to size and contrast. FL Studio's circles, while larger, have less contrast at least in that color. So I think Cubase sets the better example there.
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07-20-2020, 04:14 PM
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I changed my vol envs to white. Very easy to see. Now if points would get bigger.
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07-20-2020, 05:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by n997
+1 to bigger envelope points, preferably with adjustable size and brightness.
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definitely, brightness as well
Quote:
Originally Posted by n997
+1
I think this should be considered as accessibility feature. It matters especially for people with less than perfect eyesight, as well as users of Hi-DPI/Retina displays.
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+1
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07-20-2020, 10:05 PM
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+1, great idea
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09-16-2020, 02:21 AM
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Definitely +1
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09-16-2020, 09:20 AM
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so simple and so useful +1
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09-18-2020, 06:31 PM
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Agree. Lots of areas where Reaper could benefit from increased contrast/readability. So much gray on gray and stuff in the default theme.
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09-20-2020, 12:48 AM
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yes please +1
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09-20-2020, 01:35 AM
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While the appearance of the Automation Envelopes and Points are being discussed, could we also consider making the new automation points being added to envelopes that are being recorded appear in Red.
Its such a helpful feature on large mixes.
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09-20-2020, 04:44 AM
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+1
Great suggestion increasing the control point sizes!
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09-20-2020, 05:43 AM
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Great idea. +1
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09-27-2020, 01:36 AM
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Automation as a whole needs to be added to WALTER or at least have some user definable imagery like ai_bg/ai_bg_sel, not only dots, the default is all aligned and colored poorly and looks out of place in pretty much any theme.
Image here shows a user designed audio item BG vs the default Automation item, audio item is vastly superior to the default automation item layout and coloring.
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09-27-2020, 05:09 AM
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excellent request. Especially for the ones like me that needs glasses each time
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09-28-2020, 05:39 AM
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Yes!
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10-02-2020, 11:12 AM
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+1. Good one.
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10-02-2020, 11:32 AM
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+1 from me.
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10-03-2020, 12:57 PM
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Why developers almost always tend to make everything small and barely usable? I believe they think to cram everything into a small laptop screen but this is very bad idea.
BIGGER CONTROLS PLEASE!!!!
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11-20-2020, 11:32 AM
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Just bumping this thread with my +1.
I have a few ideas on how I vision this working.
I will edit the post later when I get more time to make a mock-up and a better detail of how it should work.
Thanks.
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12-15-2020, 05:18 PM
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Forget me not!
Another bump as I've just started using automation.
For a jump start in modernizing this, why not borrow some inspiration from dedicated graphics editors of serious 2D and 3D programs like AutoCAD, SolidWorks, Cinema4D (Adobe: OUT!) - maybe even top it off with dumbbell handles on every point for steering tangent, continuity, and bézier weight by drag+control keys?
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05-27-2021, 12:21 PM
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+ These points could be a bit larger. Maybe we could have those larger in beta realeases and ask users if it is in deed better or not.
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05-27-2021, 12:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by strachupl
+ These points could be a bit larger. Maybe we could have those larger in beta realeases and ask users if it is in deed better or not.
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i think it's a good idea
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05-27-2021, 12:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coachz
I changed my vol envs to white. Very easy to see. Now if points would get bigger.
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I would like to try! not idea where! can this be done without changing the theme?
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05-27-2021, 03:26 PM
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Is there an image we can edit in the theme to make them bigger?
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05-27-2021, 04:55 PM
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+1 from me
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05-28-2021, 08:53 AM
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+1 for bigger points
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05-28-2021, 02:15 PM
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yeeeees +++++
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