Old 01-08-2018, 09:57 AM   #1
vanceen
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 415
Default Time select and automatically split

I'll bet this is an easy one for you guys.

I often need to split audio items in order to adjust the position of small sections. So far the easiest way I've found to do this in Reaper is to Alt-right-drag the desired bit of audio to time select it, then Shift+S to make the split at the time selection boundaries.

What I'm used to in SONAR is simply left-dragging over the audio segment, which selects it, then clicking on the selected segment and dragging it wherever I want.

This is much easier and faster. I'm thinking it must be possible to create a custom action to do the something very similar (e.g. Ctrl+Alt+right-drag to time select and automatically split in one step). But I'm not finding the required Actions in the list.

I don't know if it's a problem that this combines a mouse modifier with and action.

Go easy on me, I'm a newcomer!
vanceen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2018, 11:20 AM   #2
hopi
Human being with feelings
 
hopi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Right Hear
Posts: 15,618
Default

select the item, make the time selection, then hit Shift+S

the item will be split at both bounds of the time selection

but then IF you want all the splits to be unique, you want to glue each one to itself

I suppose you could make a custom action that did the split and the glue in one stroke

a possible custom action like that would be:

Item: Split items at time selection
Item: Glue items
Item: Unselect all items
Time selection: Remove time selection

name it whatever you like and give it a key binding and away ya go

Even though you are a newcomer, it is not hard to learn how to make custom actions and you'll glad you did
might take about 15 mins to learn...
__________________
...should be fixed for the next build... http://tinyurl.com/cr7o7yl
https://soundcloud.com/hopikiva

Last edited by hopi; 01-08-2018 at 11:41 AM.
hopi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2018, 11:57 AM   #3
vanceen
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 415
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hopi View Post
select the item, make the time selection, then hit Shift+S

the item will be split at both bounds of the time selection

but then IF you want all the splits to be unique, you want to glue each one to itself

I suppose you could make a custom action that did the split and the glue in one stroke

a possible custom action like that would be:

Item: Split items at time selection
Item: Glue items
Item: Unselect all items
Time selection: Remove time selection

name it whatever you like and give it a key binding and away ya go

Even though you are a newcomer, it is not hard to learn how to make custom actions and you'll glad you did
might take about 15 mins to learn...
Thanks, Hopi! Actually, I've already made some custom actions and changed some of the mouse modifiers, mostly following Kenny Gioia's superb videos. But I've still got a lot to learn.

I may not have made my question clear. I can make a time selection using Alt+right drag. Then I can split it at the boundaries using Shift+S.

But this is two steps, and I'm used to being able to do it in one step in SONAR, as I described.

I can find the action to split at the time selection OK, but I can't find an action that corresponds to Alt+right drag, which makes the time selection. If I could find that, I could make a one-step custom action.

I don't need to glue anything.

Thanks again. I'm sure there's an answer out there.
vanceen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2018, 11:36 PM   #4
hopi
Human being with feelings
 
hopi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Right Hear
Posts: 15,618
Default

don't know if this would work for you... but you can think about it

there is an action to set time selection start point

so it will be set at the current edit cursor

and there is another one to set the end point... but of course you need time to move the edit cursor to that location.. right?

so there are also actions to wait before the next action runs...

maybe you could figure out how much time you need to move the edit cursor and go from there...

or... if you had markers in place... you could use the go to next marker action to set the start and end points of the time selection...


so here is one that works but you might want to edit the wait times

Quote:
Time selection: Set start point
Action: Wait 1 second before next action
Action: Wait 1 second before next action
View: Move edit cursor to mouse cursor
Action: Wait 1 second before next action
Time selection: Set end point
Item: Split items at time selection
Item: Glue items
Item: Unselect all items
Time selection: Remove time selection
so to run it you have to have the items you want to split selected and put the edit cursor where you want the time selection to start...
run the action and you have 2 seconds to move the mouse cursor to where you want the end of the split to be...

PS... you may or not want the glue and unselect, etc...

And after reading your OP again... wonder if you know about reaper's Nudge?
__________________
...should be fixed for the next build... http://tinyurl.com/cr7o7yl
https://soundcloud.com/hopikiva

Last edited by hopi; 01-09-2018 at 12:20 AM.
hopi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2018, 08:49 AM   #5
vanceen
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 415
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hopi View Post
don't know if this would work for you... but you can think about it

there is an action to set time selection start point

so it will be set at the current edit cursor

and there is another one to set the end point... but of course you need time to move the edit cursor to that location.. right?

so there are also actions to wait before the next action runs...

maybe you could figure out how much time you need to move the edit cursor and go from there...

or... if you had markers in place... you could use the go to next marker action to set the start and end points of the time selection...


so here is one that works but you might want to edit the wait times



so to run it you have to have the items you want to split selected and put the edit cursor where you want the time selection to start...
run the action and you have 2 seconds to move the mouse cursor to where you want the end of the split to be...

PS... you may or not want the glue and unselect, etc...

And after reading your OP again... wonder if you know about reaper's Nudge?
Thanks a lot, I'll give that a try.

I'll give Nudge another look. I didn't recall that it had any splitting features.

What I wish I could do was to make a custom action consisting of "marquee select item and time selection" followed by "split at time selection". But the first is a mouse modifier "action" (Alt+right drag), and the second is a proper action. If there's a way to mix them, I haven't figured it out.

Last edited by vanceen; 01-09-2018 at 08:55 AM.
vanceen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2018, 11:21 AM   #6
hopi
Human being with feelings
 
hopi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Right Hear
Posts: 15,618
Default

well give the one I sent you a try
see about changing the wait time to suit your own reactions and needs

it works very well here

as to using a marque to select items... ummm don't see how you would do that via an action cuz I'm thinking what items you want to act on might be changing each time...

on the other hand maybe you have to settle for what can be done practically and realistically .... It is hard to know for me what your project and track and item arrangement would look like
__________________
...should be fixed for the next build... http://tinyurl.com/cr7o7yl
https://soundcloud.com/hopikiva
hopi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2018, 05:06 PM   #7
vanceen
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 415
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hopi View Post
well give the one I sent you a try
see about changing the wait time to suit your own reactions and needs

it works very well here

as to using a marque to select items... ummm don't see how you would do that via an action cuz I'm thinking what items you want to act on might be changing each time...

on the other hand maybe you have to settle for what can be done practically and realistically .... It is hard to know for me what your project and track and item arrangement would look like
I don't think what I'm doing is too unusual.

For example, moving individual notes in a bass line to line them up better with the drums.
vanceen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2018, 06:13 PM   #8
FnA
Human being with feelings
 
FnA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,173
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by vanceen View Post
What I'm used to in SONAR is simply left-dragging over the audio segment, which selects it, then clicking on the selected segment and dragging it wherever I want.
Preferences/Editing behavior/Mouse modifiers/Media item/Left drag/Move item=>Just move

rips free the part of selected items which is in the time selection without requiring splitting first.
FnA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2018, 11:04 AM   #9
vanceen
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 415
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FnA View Post
Preferences/Editing behavior/Mouse modifiers/Media item/Left drag/Move item=>Just move

rips free the part of selected items which is in the time selection without requiring splitting first.
That's it! Thanks.

With this selection, the move seems to create the split. So if I move the selected area a little and move it back, it becomes a separate item, and I can independently adjust volume, etc.
vanceen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2018, 02:12 PM   #10
alkamen
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 6
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FnA View Post
Preferences/Editing behavior/Mouse modifiers/Media item/Left drag/Move item=>Just move

rips free the part of selected items which is in the time selection without requiring splitting first.
Thank you!!! I has opposite problem. Accidentally switch on "Just move")) And you helped me to understend how to disable this mode!
alkamen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2018, 03:32 PM   #11
FnA
Human being with feelings
 
FnA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,173
Default

You're (both) welcome.
FnA is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 02:03 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.