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06-16-2006, 05:50 PM
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VST Mixers - and a site full of free Multichannel FX & Synths - Wow!!
I thought it might be worth making this a separate thread to mention the possibilities now afforded by Reaper's multichannel stuff in respect of VST mixers.
Why use a VST mixer? Good question.... this is partly a matter of "because it's there" or "because it's fun" but someone might actually spot a use for it... it perhaps offers a graphical interface for some of the new routing stuff once you've set it up.
I've had the CMX844 mixer (see http://www.kvraudio.com/get/693.html but the download link is dead) for some time - it was handy in Synthedit - but the new multichannel stuff in Reaper prompted me to try it, and indeed it works.
Actually, it makes a good tool for experimenting with the multichannel stuff. For instance, if you have four tracks, with some audio on tracks one and two, and just the CMX844 on track three, you can send stereo audio from track one to the first two channels of the CMX844 on track three, and likewise from track two to channels 3 & 4 of the CMX844, and create a submix there of the two audio sources just using the CMX844 mixer - and you can use the CMX844 sends to send to track four, just for fun.
Chief downside is that the CMX844 seems to use a lot of CPU - presumably because it's a mixing engine itself, working within a mixing engine.
While playing with this, and looking without success for somewhere still hosting the CMX844, I came across http://acousmodules.free.fr/the_plugins.htm which seems to be a load of multichannel plugins - I've yet to dive in there, but others might be interested meanwhile.
Damn clever stuff, this - excellent, Justin!
Last edited by Art Evans; 06-16-2006 at 06:59 PM.
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06-16-2006, 06:17 PM
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OMG!! Try "SpatMixer 126" from the site I posted above!! One of the most jawdropping moments I've had in audio! It enables you to lay out your sources in a complete soundfield with reverb and placement and everything!! Oh! Oh!
(Exit Art left in a state of serious overexcitement....)
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06-16-2006, 06:34 PM
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I can scarely believe the stuff I am seeing on that site - free??!! - they must be mad - and I've never seen it referred to anywhere else - and Reaper makes it usable for all of us! I wonder whether Justin realised what he was making possible??!!
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06-16-2006, 06:46 PM
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acousmodules is indeed amazing. The design of their plugins and instruments is incredible in itself. I've known their stuff for a long time, whereas I hardly ever use it. Shame on me. But now I'll try the Spatmixer, Art, since I like the dropping of jaws And indeed in the 'new' REAPER these plugins might finally find a place to function as they ideally should.
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06-16-2006, 06:57 PM
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There's a matrix thingy (or several) in their for patching channels too. Synths. Meters. Everything. I'm going to download the lot and spend the next 6 months playing with it instead of getting anything done!
Oh boy....
Indeed, Alex, I can see that without the multichannel stuff now in Reaper these plugins would be a bit wasted on most people, but now the sky is the limit!
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06-16-2006, 07:44 PM
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I also JUST discovered acousmodules earlier today (I think I did a search in google like "free multichannel vsti" or something and that was one of the first links)
Looks interesting, I was gonnas ask if anyone's tried it, and I do need a sampler actually, are any of them remotely close to kontakt, or are they mostly for experimental/design type stuff, there's alot to sort through there...
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06-17-2006, 06:30 AM
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and acousmoduls posts here too, every so often.
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06-17-2006, 01:16 PM
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Spatmixer 126 is for downmixing to 5.1 output.
What should I use for 7.1 or 22.2 output?
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06-17-2006, 06:22 PM
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You have to spend about an hour rummaging through everything on that site, but there seem to be options for just about every configuration anyone could wish for.
That particular one, for me, could make a very nice "mastering" effect to have just before the master, for placing all the other tracks into an acoustic space - I mean, just using the stereo output.
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06-17-2006, 09:07 PM
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It's been quite a while since we corresponded but that developer seems like a nice guy in writing. His stuff is visionary. NB
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06-17-2006, 11:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Art Evans
OMG!! Try "SpatMixer 126" from the site I posted above!! One of the most jawdropping moments I've had in audio! It enables you to lay out your sources in a complete soundfield with reverb and placement and everything!! Oh! Oh!
(Exit Art left in a state of serious overexcitement....)
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the Spat developer's french website has this to say about Reaper:
"it is a beta version, and if the support of the multichannel plugins is already very good, the routing of the multichannel busses is yet a little tricky and it cannot use multichannel files yet. Huge potential and so easy to use..."
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06-18-2006, 04:01 AM
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Hi,
Thank you very much for your comments
I'm not really a 'developper', like Justin, just somebody that needed special tools that didn't exist and has been lucky to find Synthedit some years ago...
I am very happy to see that these plugs can be usefull or pleasant for other guys, because in general this kind of project does actually only concerns a minority of people.
Thus I am of course open to comments, suggestions and criticisms.
I know that there is a poor documentation, when it exists, and that the use of these tools may not be obvious !
I was excited too when I have seen that Reaper can now support multichannel plugs and I will personnaly be glad to use it together with Podium (which has some very nice fetures, but is also so complicated in some domains...).
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Spatmixer 126 is for downmixing to 5.1 output.
What should I use for 7.1 or 22.2 output?
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There is the 'SpatMixer 167'.
But for 22.2 downmix, I wonder what is original number of channels that you want tu use ?????
I have not such a thing, what a shame on me !...
But you can use several 'SpatArrange 1824' together
(it will take some time to set in the current version of Reaper !)
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And indeed in the 'new' REAPER these plugins might finally find a place to function as they ideally should.
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Not yet really... as it might be hard to process more than two audio inputs.
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I was gonnas ask if anyone's tried it, and I do need a sampler actually, are any of them remotely close to kontakt, or are they mostly for experimental/design type stuff, there's alot to sort through there...
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Not really comparable to Kontakt, even if I now use them instead of it.
They are not multimbral, even if some of them can define several keyboard zones they are not made for multisampling, and due to a rather high CPU usage when automating spatial movements the polyphony is low or mono.
I don't use them with MIDI sequences but for realtime audio recording, and after I import the multichannel wave files in Podium etc.
I don't think that they will be very usefull inside Reaper with MIDI, as they record the spatial movements with CC messages (11, 12 and 13 for X, Y and Z axis), and it is not actually possible to edit them.
Regards,
JM
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06-18-2006, 06:02 AM
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Hi "JM"
You'll see from earlier in the thread that I was particularly excited about your very good plugins in conjunction with the very good Reaper - I have never tried such multichannel tools and I see a whole new world in front of me!
Perhaps a feature request should be on your forum... but I was wondering whether, when a reverb is provided within one of your plugins, whether it would be feasible to 'plug in" another VST reverb into your plugin, rather than use the built-in one? Everyone has their favourite reverb sound, so perhaps this might be a popular request? But maybe I am asking the impossible.
SpatMixer 126 was the one that I have in mind in particular. Not that there is anything particularly wrong with the reverb it already has - it's just a matter of being able to choose a favourite one.
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06-18-2006, 09:01 AM
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Evan, since this post is a little out of topic here, I will reply in the forum on KVR.
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06-18-2006, 04:16 PM
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