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Default Including OPUS on ReaCast

For remote working to reduce latency streaming with ReaCast towards Icecast or Shoutcast (it works on both), a lower latency than 5-8 seconds will be great.

Opus seems to be able to get this.

It will be great to get it into ReaCast.
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Opus is the future for streaming.
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Opus is the future for streaming.
Thank you Meo
Yes. It will have very low latency and really it can help a lot with remote working.
Reaper will be the first ever :-)
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Anyone else agreed supporting this improvement?

It will enable mixing and mastering remotely, so that the clients can listen to it with very low latency. No needs of external 3rd parties services.
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For such things, you could have a look at Studiolink. It's a Skype alternative as vst-plugin as well as a standalone.

It's based on opus. Maybe this could help you already...

Quickstart guide for the standalone version:
https://sendegate.de/t/studiolink-qu...englisch/10926

Download vst version:
https://doku.studio-link.de/plugin/i...ugin-beta.html
Download standalone version:
https://doku.studio-link.de/standalo...tandalone.html
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For such things, you could have a look at Studiolink. It's a Skype alternative as vst-plugin as well as a standalone.

It's based on opus. Maybe this could help you already...

Quickstart guide for the standalone version:
https://sendegate.de/t/studiolink-qu...englisch/10926

Download vst version:
https://doku.studio-link.de/plugin/i...ugin-beta.html
Download standalone version:
https://doku.studio-link.de/standalo...tandalone.html
rapid question ('cause I don't know it yet): is it enabling a client to connect directly reaper using just a browser?
Because with the auxilium of Icecast, Reaper (with reaCast) can give this and it's even with login and password :-)
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When you load it it opens the browser. When the other one loads it, it opens their browser.

The shown page shows the Studiolink-ID.
You just call the other one and that's it.

As I said, conceptually like Skype. So the Studiolink-ID is like the "login".
Only those who you call, or whose call-in you accept will be able to talk and listen.
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When you load it it opens the browser. When the other one loads it, it opens their browser.

The shown page shows the Studiolink-ID.
You just call the other one and that's it.

As I said, conceptually like Skype. So the Studiolink-ID is like the "login".
Only those who you call, or whose call-in you accept will be able to talk and listen.
I've found time to test it. It seems great. I tested on loopback.
But the client, shouldn't have it. My goal is to make the client able to connect and to listen to via normal browser. Sending to her the mix or the master working in smart working, in practice ...
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IIRC, Sebastian is currently developing it in a way, that it works in the browser completely, though I have no idea, whether that worked or didn't.

Edit: It's called QuickWeb and a feature only available for the paid options. With that, you get a link, that you can send to your client and they open it in their browsers. No additional software needed.
Though I never tested it(and the studiolink-website has no english translation, so if this is an option for you, just write him a mail for further questions.
You can find his mail-address over here:

https://studio-link.de/impressum.html

He's also very active and does great support for StudioLink.
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IIRC, Sebastian is currently developing it in a way, that it works in the browser completely, though I have no idea, whether that worked or didn't.

Edit: It's called QuickWeb and a feature only available for the paid options. With that, you get a link, that you can send to your client and they open it in their browsers. No additional software needed.
Though I never tested it(and the studiolink-website has no english translation, so if this is an option for you, just write him a mail for further questions.
You can find his mail-address over here:

https://studio-link.de/impressum.html

He's also very active and does great support for StudioLink.
Oh great.
I will certainly ask.
the free choice was the best (for 1 user at the time) I will ask in case he's planned soemthing
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IIRC, Sebastian is currently developing it in a way, that it works in the browser completely, though I have no idea, whether that worked or didn't.

Edit: It's called QuickWeb and a feature only available for the paid options. With that, you get a link, that you can send to your client and they open it in their browsers. No additional software needed.
Though I never tested it(and the studiolink-website has no english translation, so if this is an option for you, just write him a mail for further questions.
You can find his mail-address over here:

https://studio-link.de/impressum.html

He's also very active and does great support for StudioLink.
I did write the same day you suggested it to me.
Till today: no answer.
However I see that QuickWeb (that's supposed to do what I'm asking) is into the Freemium, and hopefully he will release it soon and inside Freemium as well (perhaps limited to just one client per time).

Let's wait and see, hoping that the waiting time will be shorter than my life span :-p :-p :-p
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For remote working to reduce latency streaming with ReaCast towards Icecast or Shoutcast (it works on both), a lower latency than 5-8 seconds will be great.
Opus seems to be able to get this.
It will be great to get it into ReaCast.
Do you mean 5-8 m Seconds ?

What exactly are you trying to accomplish. (Or am I just completely off-track here).

If this is "jamming" with other musicians via the Internet, I suppose the most critical latency is the Internet. Here a peer-to-peer protocol needs to be established (like with KamKazam).

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Studio Link seems to use peer-to-peer for the Audio stream. So this seems promising !
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Reaper will be the first ever :-)
Studio Link uses Opus and comes as a VST and should be usable with any DAW ?!?!?
But it's not free (1€ per peer per month seems not too steep though)

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@Mschnell
Studiolink has a freemium model with payment plans for additional features. So using it for some basic stuff is actually free.
You don't get your own custom user-id for calling for instance, only a generated one. The payment plans from 1€/month and higher include that.
And a livestream to send to multiple users, etc.

Though cause of the pandemic, Sebastian has made some of the stuff available for the free users as well.

@BartR
I think he's currently quite busy, as Germany got back into hard lockdown. Haven't checked, but if QuickWeb is part of the free plan currently, it's probably because of that.

Nevertheless, if you think, it does what you want, getting a paid plan supports Sebastian to keep it up.
He made the whole Studiolink infrastructure free for use for several years, paying for this out of his own pocket(the whole german podcasting scene benefits from it) and ppl had to beg him to be able to support him financially.

He's a cool guy and his work is worth it.
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Studio Link seems to use peer-to-peer for the Audio stream. So this seems promising !
-Michael
Right to the point:

Studio sends mixes and masters to the client to listen to them, with very small latency. So that in case the client "hey can I get the guitar slightly boosted?" the result is immediate and not after 5-8 seconds.

Moreover, the point is to avoid that clients are constrained to install something and/or learn to use it. Just they receive a link, click on it, and get the audi (protected by an addressed token, so that she an't hear mixes belonging to other ones).

That's it :-)
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Just tested the Studiolink and seems to work very well.
I normally use audiomovers in PCM 24 bits for final mixes to the clients. Since this uses some compression i need to test more to see if its reliable for clients to make some audio judgments on the fly.
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Just tested the Studiolink and seems to work very well.
I normally use audiomovers in PCM 24 bits for final mixes to the clients. Since this uses some compression i need to test more to see if its reliable for clients to make some audio judgments on the fly.
Thanks for sharing.
Yes Studio link works very well. But as I said it will be great if in the future, the client should NOT download anything, just having a link e connecting directly the DAW via just a browser ...

About the relationship with clients: NO I don't use and I no want to use Audiomovers at all.

I do use Icecast as here

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I just downloaded and started StudioLink the first time, and I intended to connect it to Reaper via ReaRoute. But the only audio interface StudioLink offers in the dropdown box is WASAPI, no ASIO.

What did I do wrong ?

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Use the VST/AU-version instead:

https://doku.studio-link.de/plugin/i...lugin-neu.html

This can be used inside of Reaper with no ReaRoute necessary.

Download the StudioLink Plug-in one, not the Live Streaming(the latter produces a public stream to the outside).
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Thanks a lot.

I'll give it a try ASAP.
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OK.
It was easy to convert my "JamKazam" project to using the StudioLink VST instead.
(Supposedly in the end I would need to install a second StudioLink Chanel - hopefully with lower "priority" - for the JamKazam voice channel. )

The Music from StudioLink server comes in perfectly.

But when I do a call to "echo", the return is very soft and rather distorted.

Moreover I get a latency that is by far higher than the latency I get with a "solo" ("quick start private") session in JamKazam.

Any way of tweaking this ?

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There's a file in the user folder(Appdata/studiolink-folder or something?) in which you can edit some stuff, but I don't know how exactly and how the changes affect Studiolink's performance, as I never looked into it yet.

Just look for files called studiolink in the user-folder and you probably find it.
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Thanks ! I'll take a look ...
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There's a file in the user folder(Appdata/studiolink-folder or something?) in which you can edit some stuff, but I don't know how exactly and how the changes affect Studiolink's performance, as I never looked into it yet.

Just look for files called studiolink in the user-folder and you probably find it.
Just out of curiosity, I checked on Appdata and there is not any folder (on my PC) named "Studio-Link".
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Just out of curiosity, I checked on Appdata and there is not any folder (on my PC) named "Studio-Link".
These are only created after you used Studiolink(at least on Windows, on Mac I don't know):

StudioLink-Standalone:
Users\$username\AppData\Roaming\.studio-link\

StudioLink-VST-plugin
Users\$username\AppData\Roaming\.studio-link-plugin\


The file config is probably the one you are looking for.
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These are only created after you used Studiolink(at least on Windows, on Mac I don't know):

StudioLink-Standalone:
Users\$username\AppData\Roaming\.studio-link\

StudioLink-VST-plugin
Users\$username\AppData\Roaming\.studio-link-plugin\


The file config is probably the one you are looking for.
yes sorry, I didn't see the directories starting with a dot. I was looking through the "normal" ones.
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