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12-01-2010, 11:31 AM
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>> v4: Mouse Modifiers
In Preferences/Editing Behavior/Mouse Modifiers , you can customize the mouse behavior with different modifier keys, in different contexts.
For example, the default behavior of shift+control+drag on a media item is to copy the item while ignoring snap-to-grid. You can change this to any of 20+ other behaviors, including: moving the selected area of the item, adjusting pitch, moving the item contents, setting the time selection, doing nothing, and so on.
There are separate customizable contexts for dragging in the top vs. bottom half of a media item. By default, dragging in the bottom half is mapped to “pass through to media item context”, meaning that the behavior is identical when dragging in either the top or bottom half.
Any action (including custom actions) can be assigned to any double-click mouse modifier, in any context. If you want to, you can assign 32 different actions to be triggered when double-clicking the top or bottom of a media item, while holding different modifier keys.
Some of the behaviors are complex. For example, the default behavior when dragging a media item is to move the selected area of selected items if the drag begins within the time selection, and move all selected items if the drag begins outside the time selection. If you want to always move all selected items regardless of where the drag occurs (which is the old default behavior), use “Move item ignoring time selection.”
As another example, the default behavior when dragging the edge of a media item is to move the edge of all selected items that occur at the same timeline position. If you want to move the edges of all selected items regardless of timeline position, use “Move item edge ignoring edge time for selection.”
You can now copy blocks of automation with the mouse, using control+shift+alt+drag by default, but this can be mapped to any other key combination using Preferences/Editing Behavior/Mouse Modifiers.
There are also actions to change the default mouse action for any context. So, for example, you could switch the default media item drag behavior between “move item” and “move selected area of item” using a custom toolbar button.
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12-01-2010, 11:54 AM
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hey, maybe Im not getting this, but I having trouble creating my own mouse modifiers.
Im in the preferences, and i dont seem to be able to create new modifiers with any sort of double click etc - is this the right place to do this, or is there another menu somewhere I'm missing
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12-01-2010, 11:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gwok
hey, maybe Im not getting this, but I having trouble creating my own mouse modifiers.
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Confirmed, not working on OSX... fixing, thanks!
[edit] actually this is a general problem with some popup menu changes on OSX. Fixing!
Last edited by schwa; 12-01-2010 at 12:06 PM.
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12-01-2010, 12:22 PM
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what about Right click ?
I need it for 'Erase tool' (exist already?) for piano roll (Sweep Erase)
I will use a different modifier for a drop down menu in the piano roll.
I was waiting for mouse modification especially for this...
plz
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12-01-2010, 12:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
Confirmed, not working on OSX... fixing, thanks!
[edit] actually this is a general problem with some popup menu changes on OSX. Fixing!
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awesomeness -
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12-01-2010, 12:29 PM
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Awesome, excited to dig in!
Upon first glance it seems that there is no way to move the marquee from the right click button, does this mean there is no way to do "marquee+time selection" in the bottom or top half of an item for example?
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12-01-2010, 12:35 PM
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Sadly, it appears that a compiler bug of all things is preventing mouse modifiers from being edited on OSX. This will probably take a few hours to sort out, sorry for the trouble.
There is not yet any way to reassign right-click, or assign marquee to left-click. You can change the behavior of the marquee selection, but not which mouse button triggers it.
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12-01-2010, 12:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
Sadly, it appears that a compiler bug of all things is preventing mouse modifiers from being edited on OSX. This will probably take a few hours to sort out, sorry for the trouble.
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No I'm actually working on Windows right now
But still, there's no way to set "Ruler context" left click to be "Marquee". It seems the "Marquee" functionality is permanently trapped to right click, is this correct?
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12-01-2010, 12:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
You can change this to any of 20+ other behaviors, including: moving the selected area of the item, adjusting pitch, moving the item contents, setting the time selection, doing nothing, and so on.
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Bwa ha ha, it's too much!
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12-01-2010, 12:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
Sadly, it appears that a compiler bug of all things is preventing mouse modifiers from being edited on OSX. This will probably take a few hours to sort out, sorry for the trouble.
There is not yet any way to reassign right-click, or assign marquee to left-click. You can change the behavior of the marquee selection, but not which mouse button triggers it.
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hey, no worries at all! so stoked, this is freakin sick!!!
edit: if the right click\marquee thing does make it on your radar, that'd be great, atm though, there's so much to take in, i just reassigned my pen, and all is good
Last edited by gwok; 12-01-2010 at 01:08 PM.
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12-01-2010, 01:44 PM
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This is a great addition and my favorite new feature.
How about modifiers set to toolbar buttons so we can change modifier depending on what tool we have selected....
This would allow very powerful custom tools to be built and used with very few complicated or hard to remember modifiers.
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12-01-2010, 01:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
There is not yet any way to reassign right-click, or assign marquee to left-click.
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Glad to see that it's "not yet" as opposed to "won't be". Left-click marquee is my number one feature request. Very pleased to see it's on the list of coming features!
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12-01-2010, 01:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jedstar2000
How about modifiers set to toolbar buttons so we can change modifier depending on what tool we have selected....
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This can be done now. There are actions to reassign the default mouse action, so you could assign those actions to toolbar buttons. IE. a toolbar button for "slip edit", "adjust pitch", and so on.
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12-01-2010, 01:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
This can be done now. There are actions to reassign the default mouse action, so you could assign those actions to toolbar buttons. IE. a toolbar button for "slip edit", "adjust pitch", and so on.
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Clever!
..as usual!
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12-01-2010, 02:06 PM
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This is audio editing heaven...
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12-01-2010, 02:30 PM
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On media item Ctrl+Alt is: Render item to new file. How does this work?
Thanks, Wyatt
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12-01-2010, 02:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
Sadly, it appears that a compiler bug of all things is preventing mouse modifiers from being edited on OSX.
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Now fixed in alpha2.
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12-01-2010, 02:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WyattRice
On media item Ctrl+Alt is: Render item to new file. How does this work?
Thanks, Wyatt
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Drag anywhere from the item and release, it will render a
new item there. This works also by dragging to explorer/finder.
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12-01-2010, 02:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EricM
Drag anywhere from the item and release, it will render a
new item there. This works also by dragging to explorer/finder.
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Got it. Thanks Eric
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12-01-2010, 02:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
Now fixed in alpha2.
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sickter!
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12-01-2010, 02:49 PM
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still mostly not working on osx in alpha2. the popup menus sometimes appear, sometimes pop on for a moment only.
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12-01-2010, 02:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by semiquaver
still mostly not working on osx in alpha2. the popup menus sometimes appear, sometimes pop on for a moment only.
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works fine for me, will post if that changes
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12-01-2010, 03:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Reflected
what about Right click ?
I need it for 'Erase tool' (exist already?) for piano roll (Sweep Erase)
I will use a different modifier for a drop down menu in the piano roll.
I was waiting for mouse modification especially for this...
plz
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this is also very important to me...
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12-01-2010, 03:09 PM
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despite that, This is a welcome addition, thanks!
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12-01-2010, 03:39 PM
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is doubleclicking item settings lost?? I don't need external editor, but seing properties could be cool!
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12-01-2010, 03:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by malcolmj
Glad to see that it's "not yet" as opposed to "won't be". Left-click marquee is my number one feature request. Very pleased to see it's on the list of coming features!
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It's the first thing I tried to do, and it's not possible yet...another request here for left-click time selection + marquee.
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12-01-2010, 04:09 PM
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Media item double-click > Action list...
Very powerful for editing.
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12-01-2010, 04:20 PM
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am I the only one who can't try these?
OSX Intel 10.6.2 Alpha2
popup menus flicker on then disappear....
am I doing something wrong?
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12-01-2010, 04:59 PM
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this sounds totally awesome, but i have one question/possibly request. will the default behaviour stick to how it works for me now? i loooove the ability to change stuff and customize it, and this will be a great tool for that, but it would be kind of a downer if for the stuff i don't want to change, i'd have to go and modify things.
this is going to be cool though.
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12-01-2010, 05:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Silicon/Silicium
is doubleclicking item settings lost?? I don't need external editor, but seing properties could be cool!
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We will add this as a factory mouse modifier for double-click (all of "show item properties", "show source properties", and "open MIDI editor or show item properties").
Until we add it as a factory modifier, you can always add it as a custom modifier. Open preferences/mouse/mouse modifiers, select "media item double-click", and for "default actions" choose "Action list..." and select "item properties: show media item properties."
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12-01-2010, 05:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by semiquaver
OSX Intel 10.6.2 Alpha2
popup menus flicker on then disappear....
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Does this happen every time for you?
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12-01-2010, 05:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
We will add this as a factory mouse modifier for double-click (all of "show item properties", "show source properties", and "open MIDI editor or show item properties").
Until we add it as a factory modifier, you can always add it as a custom modifier. Open preferences/mouse/mouse modifiers, select "media item double-click", and for "default actions" choose "Action list..." and select "item properties: show media item properties."
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This will be sweet. I still, to this day, double click items every so often, expecting item properties to come up.
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12-01-2010, 05:18 PM
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possible bug
I can't get the mouse modifier option 'track double click ' to do anything no matter what action i choose. nada...
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12-01-2010, 05:27 PM
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@ Schwa:
a few of the menus will pop up and stay (maybe 1 in 20) - but none of the "Track" ones will stay open for example....
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12-01-2010, 05:33 PM
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'track double-click' what's that supposed to be?
I (double-)clicked anywhere on the track header, the mixer-strip, nothing happens... :-/
bug?
edit: oh, Ben-K beat me to it...
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12-01-2010, 05:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BenK-msx
I can't get the mouse modifier option 'track double click ' to do anything
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This is meant to trigger the action when double-clicking empty track space (not over an item). Bug confirmed, fixing, thanks.
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12-01-2010, 05:42 PM
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Ah, so no double-clicking on the track-header is intended/planned?
That would be so great and useful for e.g.
- quickly (toggling) zooming a track (or a selection of tracks)...
- quickly record-arming it
- quickly soloing it
etc.
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12-01-2010, 05:53 PM
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i do wish that control click = right click was still available as a preference option or somethin.......
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12-01-2010, 06:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gwok
i do wish that control click = right click was still available as a preference option or somethin.......
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At the bottom of preferences/editing behavior/mouse, "control+left-click emulates right-click (control key will be unavailable for mouse modifiers)".
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12-01-2010, 06:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
Sadly, it appears that a compiler bug of all things is preventing mouse modifiers from being edited on OSX. This will probably take a few hours to sort out, sorry for the trouble.
There is not yet any way to reassign right-click, or assign marquee to left-click. You can change the behavior of the marquee selection, but not which mouse button triggers it.
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A few hours? Sorry? LOL... dude... I LOVE YOU GUYS! You guys spoil us like no other. I could never imagine this kind of service at AVID.. Thanks so much.
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