New Variety of Sound Plugin - FerricTDS!

cbenci · 11-01-2009, 06:23 PM

Just a heads up - new plugin from Bootsy

http://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/...-the-kvr-dc09/

IMHO, one of the best developers around, both commercial and free!

Jae.Thomas · 11-01-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cbenci

Just a heads up - new plugin from Bootsy

http://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/...-the-kvr-dc09/

IMHO, one of the best developers around, both commercial and free!

yeah its awesome

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=45228

nicholas · 11-01-2009, 06:44 PM

Off to check it out now, thanks for the tip. If it's from Bootsy it'll be one of the best ...

Doughboy · 11-01-2009, 06:47 PM

Headed there now....thanks for the tip.

I love these threads about new plugins.

audioguytodd · 11-02-2009, 01:52 PM

Very nice!!! I am impressed.

cbenci · 11-02-2009, 02:47 PM

Gave it a proper test last night - all I can say is, wow. I'm still a bit dazed

jedstar2000 · 11-02-2009, 03:03 PM

Bootsy always comes with the goods thx for the heads up.

kelldammit · 11-02-2009, 03:14 PM

some of the other stuff listed there looks really cool too. at least fun to play with

Lazz · 11-02-2009, 06:14 PM

DL'd last night, the brief run I had with it was awesome. How are you guys using this thing, 2bus, track, both...1st,last,etc?

cbenci · 11-02-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lazz

DL'd last night, the brief run I had with it was awesome. How are you guys using this thing, 2bus, track, both...1st,last,etc?

I was thinking the same thing... being a tape style saturator / dynamics sim, put it were the tape would normally go?

But as always, really it's whatever sounds good.

shogger · 11-03-2009, 01:13 AM

Very good. Makes things sound "right" if used correctly. Try it on vocals for deessing.

Shogger

core · 11-03-2009, 01:50 AM

Great plug-in as per always. Make sure to check his other plug-ins at Variety Of Sound: http://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/

illacov · 11-03-2009, 05:38 AM

(Strokes Tascam 38 which purrs back)

nothing can replace the real thing. Isn't that right baby??

Seriously, it does sound good.

Calling it tape?? Dunno about that.

I think the effect is useful, it uses next to no cpu on my Athlon II 620 X 4
but I just don't appreciate it.

It sort of needs that extra missing link that real tape offers.

2" tape does have a sound, but I still dig the extra low end heft and mid range butter you get from Ampex 456 going into the red any day. Yes I have sent signals that were at 0 dbu into the plugin and it sounds good but not what I'm looking for when I peg tape.

Can't wait for Colortone Pro to go native. Ready with my credit card to pounce on it! I'll even get impulses off my Tascam 38 and share em!

BTW there were crazy guys going to tape at +20dbu!! So far without electronics and transformers, I have yet to hear digital sound good doing wild shit like that.

Nebula seems promising but I already have a deck.

Peace
Illumination

Xenakios · 11-03-2009, 06:49 AM

What is the plugin supposed to be good for? I tried it on the master channel of my current in-work project and it didn't either do anything noticeable or just made things sounds worse. (Muffled and less snappy.) Maybe it's supposed to be used on individual tracks only?

Tedwood · 11-03-2009, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Xenakios

What is the plugin supposed to be good for? I tried it on the master channel of my current in-work project and it didn't either do anything noticeable or just made things sounds worse. (Muffled and less snappy.) Maybe it's supposed to be used on individual tracks only?

I did the same and it made my project sound nicer - of not pushed to hard.

pushed hard I would wager it's good for drums, but not cymbals (they want the more gentle settings

herniaface · 11-03-2009, 07:07 AM

try out the nasty series also from bootsy, http://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/downloads/

i especially like the nasty LF. really nice sound and a lot of flexibilty.

winbe · 11-03-2009, 07:16 AM

I think that Bootsy makes the best VST freeware...
I loved his EpicVerb... but... with my new Windows 7 64 bits,
it is unusable, after 2 seconds, it does a kind of feedback loop and reaches something around +465DB before dying...

So I had to find another verb... too bad...

On the master I use Nasty VSD, I simply love it. It seems to softclip and add some character, difficult to define, but I really love it to avoid this harsh, digital, agressive sound that I used to have (I don't record live instruments)

On individual channels, I use Ferox, I like how you can also control the shaving of high and low freqs, but if FerricTDS is that good... I might give it a go !

Magicbuss · 11-03-2009, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Xenakios

What is the plugin supposed to be good for? I tried it on the master channel of my current in-work project and it didn't either do anything noticeable or just made things sounds worse. (Muffled and less snappy.) Maybe it's supposed to be used on individual tracks only?

I feel the same way about tessla pro. So subtle you wonder if its doing anything at all.

I haven't tried this new plug but I would guess that it would work well on the drum buss. I tried Ferox everywhere and the only place it sounded good to me was on drums. Rock/pop drums love compression and distortion (mild or wild). IMO Saturation plugs really do wonders for digital drums whether it sounds like tape or not. Hell, running drums through a dirty amp sim or distortion plug can do amazing things if mixed underneath the unaffected drums.

winbe · 11-03-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Magicbuss

I tried Ferox everywhere and the only place it sounded good to me was on drums.

hm I also used it on other instruments, and it helped making them "sit" in the mix. For example, I had a sax and it was always sounding too much on the "front". I tried adding reverb, but it was still not good, and getting too muddy. So I used ferox, and by combining a slight tape saturation + reduction of the frequency range, it gave a result I like !

(it is on the "No pain no gain" song on my soundclick.com/frozenjazz page)

Astro · 11-03-2009, 04:23 PM

I downloaded the Ferric plug in and although subtle...I like what it does.
But I was wondering about a couple of things.
First...his Epic Verb and Boot EQ take so long to load as a VST plug in in Reaper...seven or eight times longer than most other VST plug ins, even seven to eight times longer than complex VST plug ins.
Anyone else have this happen to them?
Also the Nasty series causes Reaper to seize up when it tries to load them...once I take them out Reaper loads fine?
I am running Win Xp 32 bit...Core 2 duo...most everything else causes no problem.
Cheers
Astro

ZoD · 11-03-2009, 06:27 PM

Tried it out last night.

VERY NICE.

I monkeyed around with an acoustic guitar track. I found that overall, it smoothed it out, filled it up and rounded it out!

Definitely worth more time and experimentation...

ZoD

Guitar486 · 11-03-2009, 06:59 PM

pc only

Magicbuss · 11-03-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by shogger

Very good. Makes things sound "right" if used correctly. Try it on vocals for deessing.

Shogger

Shogger I see you post over at KVR. There was a question raised there that has not been answered and I thought you might shed some light.

spinedoc wrote:
Hmm, maybe user error when I tested this quickly but..
The manual says sweet spot is track at 0 dbs with int. bumps into red. To get the track feedig into this at anything close to popping 0 I have to insert gain plugin ahead of this and then and gain plugin behind to lower as the trim does not do enough.

Bootsie wrote:
Maybe sensitive accoustic stuff or maybe a plug-in internal bug which appears in your config.

I can vouch for spinedoc. I am running ferric on my drum buss for a rock track (ummm... not sensitive acoustic stuff) and the input is averaging about -10. Who the hell has 0db for sub mixes let alone individual tracks? What am I missing here?

brainwreck · 11-03-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Astro

I downloaded the Ferric plug in and although subtle...I like what it does.
But I was wondering about a couple of things.
First...his Epic Verb and Boot EQ take so long to load as a VST plug in in Reaper...seven or eight times longer than most other VST plug ins, even seven to eight times longer than complex VST plug ins.
Anyone else have this happen to them?
Also the Nasty series causes Reaper to seize up when it tries to load them...once I take them out Reaper loads fine?
I am running Win Xp 32 bit...Core 2 duo...most everything else causes no problem.
Cheers
Astro

no problems here with loading time or seizing. xp 32 bit core duo. i've been using booteq mkII for everything - it's just so easy to use.

matic · 11-03-2009, 09:55 PM

All Bootsy plugins are unstable and unreliable for me in all versions of Reaper. I love them, but the GUI's will freeze. Requires restart of Reaper most times. This happens with NastyCS, BootEQ mkII, Density MkII, and now FerricTDS. Not all the time, but enough that I get a bad vibe from the plugins. I assume its a problem with whatever sketchy framework he is using - Synthmaker maybe?

PS also XP 32 bit core2duo

PPS To be fair, BootEQ mkII, which I use on almost every track, hasn't done this to me with much frequency since before Reaper 3.12. Ferric is doing it a lot tho.

Astro · 11-04-2009, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by matic

All Bootsy plugins are unstable and unreliable for me in all versions of Reaper. I love them, but the GUI's will freeze. Requires restart of Reaper most times. This happens with NastyCS, BootEQ mkII, Density MkII, and now FerricTDS. Not all the time, but enough that I get a bad vibe from the plugins. I assume its a problem with whatever sketchy framework he is using - Synthmaker maybe?

PS also XP 32 bit core2duo

PPS To be fair, BootEQ mkII, which I use on almost every track, hasn't done this to me with much frequency since before Reaper 3.12. Ferric is doing it a lot tho.

Yep I really love the BootEQ m2 its a great EQ, I have UAD cards and Powercore as well and it stacks up nicely...but when I select to load it by ADD FX in Reaper it takes soo long to load.
Plus most of his Nasty series cause Reaper to lock up and also cause the standalone VST scanner to lock up and crash as well.
Definitely something going on there...maybe not for everybody, but there is something not quite right.
I have no problem with all my other plugs and stuff...I dunno

Magnolius · 11-04-2009, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Magicbuss

I feel the same way about tessla pro. So subtle you wonder if its doing anything at all.

So it isn't just me then... I really liked Tessla SE which is not subtle but can be very useful in different situations, like getting sub-standard recordings more smooth sounding. But the PRO version I find hard to get any use for.

Lately I been using the R2R tape programs and AlexB console-programs for Nebula and that's the way to go for me. They are also subtle but you can hear the difference immediately, just sweet sounding without losing details or dynamics.

Magicbuss · 11-04-2009, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Magnolius

So it isn't just me then... I really liked Tessla SE which is not subtle but can be very useful in different situations, like getting sub-standard recordings more smooth sounding. But the PRO version I find hard to get any use for.

Lately I been using the R2R tape programs and AlexB console-programs for Nebula and that's the way to go for me. They are also subtle but you can hear the difference immediately, just sweet sounding without losing details or dynamics.

Well the new Ferric plug can be much more obvious than Tessla pro. It seems like a real winner but I still can't get 0 db input signal which is recommended in the manual for the best effect. Are others successfully getting this kind of input gain?

IMO this plug is in need of input and output gain knobs if driving the input is necessary to get the full effect.

matic · 11-04-2009, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Magicbuss

Well the new Ferric plug can be much more obvious than Tessla pro. It seems like a real winner but I still can't get 0 db input signal which is recommended in the manual for the best effect. Are others successfully getting this kind of input gain?

IMO this plug is in need of input and output gain knobs if driving the input is necessary to get the full effect.

Normalize the track/clip?

Magicbuss · 11-04-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by matic

Normalize the track/clip?

That's a kludgy work around and something I would like to avoid. An input/output gain knob is the best solution.

Although by Bootsies response he seems to think anything less than 0 db in must be quiet acoustic material which is not remotely my experience.

DanielK · 11-04-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Magicbuss

That's a kludgy work around and something I would like to avoid. An input/output gain knob is the best solution.

Then maybe Sonalksis' FreeG will do?

Consul · 11-04-2009, 01:40 PM

Well, regardless of what technical problems people are having, I finally decided to try out a variety of Bootsy's plug-ins, and to say they sound f***ing fantastic is an understatement. I didn't have any issues with lockups or crashes, but then again, I didn't run any of them for too long.

I was playing with a drum loop, and no matter with plug-in of his I used, the EQ, the compressor, a pair of the Nasty series, or whatever, it made that loop sound better. SynthEdit or not, I'm impressed.

The only one I didn't play with is the Ferric, actually, as tape saturation isn't something I'm into.

bigwoody · 11-04-2009, 01:59 PM

Big fan of Bootsy's stuff. I put FerricTDS on the master track of my release mixs for a project that I am currently working on and IMHO it really warms things up. I typically have JS master limiter last in the master chain and put Ferric just before it. I could not get the input anywhere near 0, but still found that starting with the presets and tweaking the controls got some really nice, smooth sounds. I will mess with it further. I also just started using epicVerb on tracks (especially the Ambience setting on vocals) and have used Density on the master track for a long time.
No issues with load times or crashes.
I will cast my vote for Ferric on KVR.

Magnolius · 11-04-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Magicbuss

IMO this plug is in need of input and output gain knobs if driving the input is necessary to get the full effect.

I agree. Especially anything that is intended for the master bus. Its hard to judge saturation etc if you cant A/B with matched levels. That's also something I miss with the new version of density. Seems like in- and output gain knobs have been dropped in the new plugins while all the old ones had it.

Here is another free gain plugin you could try:

http://www.gvst.co.uk/ggain.htm

Matthew Presley · 11-04-2009, 06:03 PM

From his site it looks like Bootsy is open to add gain in and out controls on the next release.

Tedwood · 11-04-2009, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by matic

All Bootsy plugins are unstable and unreliable for me in all versions of Reaper. I love them,

Yeah it's true, but to be fair, these are great plugs and you just have to be careful, kinda like having a rescue dog that will defend you and look after the kids when you are out, chase off the heavies and the police in a pinch - but once in a while it will eat the piece of meat you left out to thaw - and then fart when you are having steak dinner without steak.

matic · 11-04-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tedwood

Yeah it's true, but to be fair, these are great plugs and you just have to be careful, kinda like having a rescue dog that will defend you and look after the kids when you are out, chase off the heavies and the police in a pinch - but once in a while it will eat the piece of meat you left out to thaw - and then fart when you are having steak dinner without steak.

Yeah, I'm not giving up on the BootEQ; I use it almost as a default on a channel for its preamp drive. I dunno if I'm sold on Ferric yet; I've been experimenting with Nebula and that is starting to win me over...

dub3000 · 11-04-2009, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by matic

All Bootsy plugins are unstable and unreliable for me in all versions of Reaper. I love them, but the GUI's will freeze. Requires restart of Reaper most times. This happens with NastyCS, BootEQ mkII, Density MkII, and now FerricTDS. Not all the time, but enough that I get a bad vibe from the plugins. I assume its a problem with whatever sketchy framework he is using - Synthmaker maybe?

PS also XP 32 bit core2duo

PPS To be fair, BootEQ mkII, which I use on almost every track, hasn't done this to me with much frequency since before Reaper 3.12. Ferric is doing it a lot tho.

just set reaper to run them as 'run in external process'. never crash again!

matic · 11-04-2009, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dub3000

just set reaper to run them as 'run in external process'. never crash again!

Well, its not really crashes that are the problem; the plugin GUI just stops responding. If I turn GUI off, they work with the Reaper GUI, but I have a psychological issue with this - plus the GUI looks nice

dub3000 · 11-04-2009, 11:20 PM

ah, see they crashed for me before i hosted them externally. but i love epicverb and nastyLF too much to ditch them. he does excellent work.