|
|
|
09-17-2017, 03:30 AM
|
#281
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Florence, Italy
Posts: 463
|
I'm playing with new automation items and I've a question about them.
Can I lock an automation item to avoid automation recording in touch mode?
|
|
|
09-17-2017, 03:32 AM
|
#282
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Croatia
Posts: 24,798
|
Nope.
|
|
|
09-17-2017, 04:02 AM
|
#283
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Florence, Italy
Posts: 463
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilDragon
Nope.
|
Ok, it should be a feature. Very usefull in certain circumstances.
May I suggest a random shaping feature too? Maybe with a fader for randomization amount.
|
|
|
10-02-2017, 04:48 AM
|
#284
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: May 2007
Location: France
Posts: 727
|
Playing with AI, very nice thing.
But I'd like to have something like the regular item "snap offset".
This way I could easily drag or copy AI that have a small fade in before the beat.
Am I missing something?
|
|
|
10-02-2017, 05:02 AM
|
#285
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 5,247
|
AFAIK, you can't create fades in AI's.
Furthermore, snap offset in AI's isn't implemented either.
Maybe both will be implemented later on, dunno really.
|
|
|
10-02-2017, 08:37 AM
|
#286
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Croatia
Posts: 24,798
|
You can fade AIs by stacking one AI on top of another, at least...
|
|
|
10-02-2017, 11:51 AM
|
#287
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 2,924
|
" Maybe both will be implemented later on, dunno really. "
I hope this.
|
|
|
10-04-2017, 11:50 PM
|
#288
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 13,334
|
Is it hard to implement AI reversing?
|
|
|
10-05-2017, 05:57 AM
|
#289
|
Administrator
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: NY
Posts: 15,822
|
You can select an automation item and run the action "envelope: reverse points." However, that will reverse all instances of the same automation item pool, if you are using pooled automation items.
|
|
|
10-05-2017, 10:59 AM
|
#290
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 13,334
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
You can select an automation item and run the action "envelope: reverse points." However, that will reverse all instances of the same automation item pool, if you are using pooled automation items.
|
Ok, thank you a lot, Schwa! Is it possible to implement AI buttons like media items have? I mean these:
I know that not all of them can be used for AIs, but is it possible to implement volume knob, mute button and some other buttons?
|
|
|
10-05-2017, 11:02 AM
|
#291
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: South, UK
Posts: 14,218
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitalker
Ok, thank you a lot, Schwa! Is it possible to implement AI buttons like media items have? I mean these:
I know that not all of them can be used for AIs, but is it possible to implement volume knob, mute button and some other buttons?
|
Not going to lie.. that would be super useful to have!
__________________
subproject FRs click here
note: don't search for my pseudonym on the web. The "musicbynumbers" you find is not me or the name I use for my own music.
|
|
|
10-16-2017, 11:21 AM
|
#292
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 3,714
|
1) For easy insertion of AIs in multiple lanes, it would be nifty if the left-drag mouse modifier for "Draw a new automation item" could be made to work on all lanes touched. AIs could therefore be drawn on all lanes with a single swipe.
2) Would it be possible to make the edge point interpolation more accurate?
Before inserting AI:
After, showing inaccurate edge points:
|
|
|
10-16-2017, 11:32 AM
|
#293
|
Administrator
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: NY
Posts: 15,822
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by juliansader
Would it be possible to make the edge point interpolation more accurate?
|
How are you inserting that automation item? What normally happens is that the curve is rendered at the edges, like this:
... which is different from your screenshots.
|
|
|
10-16-2017, 11:38 AM
|
#294
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 3,127
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
How are you inserting that automation item? What normally happens is that the curve is rendered at the edges, like this:
... which is different from your screenshots.
|
Schwa, why create interpolated points when the captured AI could be generated by seeking back to the closest previous point, seeking forwards to the closest next point, and trimming the edges of the AI inward? That way the curves are perfectly preserved.
|
|
|
10-16-2017, 11:38 AM
|
#295
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 2,924
|
For more praticity it should be better if there is always one point at the edge of AI.
We don't have to add one point if we want to move the envelope at the edge because there is already one point.
Last edited by ovnis; 10-16-2017 at 11:45 AM.
|
|
|
10-16-2017, 12:13 PM
|
#296
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 3,714
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
How are you inserting that automation item? What normally happens is that the curve is rendered at the edges, like this:
|
I am using just plain right-click -> Insert new automation item, or the mouse modifier for "Draw new automation item".
I am using these options (but they don't make any difference to the accuracy):
Options: Remove points from underlying envelope when creating automation items = OFF
Options: Automation items do not connect to the underlying envelope = ON
v5.60pre13
Last edited by juliansader; 10-16-2017 at 12:23 PM.
|
|
|
10-16-2017, 12:19 PM
|
#297
|
Administrator
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: NY
Posts: 15,822
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by juliansader
I am using just plain right-click -> Insert new automation item, or the mouse modifier for "Draw new automation item".
|
Could you post your reaper.ini file, and a simple .rpp with the envelope shape saved prior to creating the automation item?
... also, for clarity, what REAPER version is this?
Last edited by schwa; 10-16-2017 at 12:25 PM.
|
|
|
10-17-2017, 04:37 AM
|
#298
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 3,714
|
The attached RPP should demonstrate the edge point issue even in a pristine portable install of 5.60rc1 x64.
|
|
|
10-17-2017, 04:56 AM
|
#299
|
Administrator
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: NY
Posts: 15,822
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by juliansader
The attached RPP should demonstrate the edge point issue even in a pristine portable install of 5.60rc1 x64.
|
Wow, thanks! What a strange bug, it is actually unrelated to automation items, but easy to fix.
|
|
|
10-22-2017, 11:06 PM
|
#300
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 3,714
|
When Ctrl-dragging multiple AIs, they jump to the left, away from the mouse:
----------------------
Ctrl-dragging media items do not properly trim the edges of their AIs (but Ctrl-dragging the AIs themselves, do trim):
----------------------
The combination of "Copy selected area of items" with Paste
* 1) properly copies automation outside item boundaries (which is very important for proper automation of reverb, for example; see Area Selection Showcase thread), and
*2) correctly trims the edges of AIs to the time selection boundaries,
whereas "Duplicate selected area of items" does neither:
Before copying or duplicating:
After copy/pasting:
After duplicating:
Last edited by juliansader; 10-28-2017 at 10:53 AM.
|
|
|
10-23-2017, 12:31 AM
|
#301
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 3,714
|
At present (v5.60rc), moving or copying media items together with automation items is an uncomfortable mixture of
* The old option "Envelope points move with media items", and
* Selection status of automation items.
If the option is inactive, no automation (not even selected AIs) move with MIs.
If the option is active, selected AIs (even those outside the MI boundaries) move with the MI, but UNselected AIs below the MI also move (even those in hidden envelope lanes).
I think it would be useful if unselected AIs could (optionally?) be excluded from moving/copying/duplicating actions, similar to how unselected MIs are ignored.** This would allow the user to accurately specify which MIs and automation should be moved or copied.
EDIT: Continuing the theme of selected vs unselected AIs:
The right-drag mouse modifier action "Select items and time" currently selects non-visible AIs in hidden envelope lanes. I suggest that hidden lanes should be skipped, similar to how media items in hidden tracks are skipped.
** EDIT 2: When "Envelope points move with media items" is DISabled, non-AI envelopes as well as unselected AIs should be ignored, but selected AIs and selected MIs should work together, similar to how selected MIs work together: they move together, stretch together, split together, Ctrl+leftdrag copy/split "selected area within time selection" together, etc.
Last edited by juliansader; 08-23-2018 at 01:56 PM.
|
|
|
10-26-2017, 10:48 AM
|
#302
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 3,714
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by juliansader
The combination of "Copy selected area of items" with Paste
* 1) properly copies automation outside item boundaries (which is very important for proper automation of reverb, for example; see Area Selection Showcase thread), and
*2) correctly trims the edges of AIs to the time selection boundaries,
whereas "Duplicate selected area of items" does neither:
|
In v5.65pre1, the " Option: Trim content behind automation items when editing" is not yet obeyed by either of these duplication actions ( "Copy selected area of items"/ Paste and "Duplicate selected area of items").
The option is obeyed when dragging an item with its automation, or when Ctrl-dragging the selected area of an item.
EDIT: Also note the related bug when copying "within time selection" with normal automation envelopes: Copy selected area of items" / "Paste" bug when more than one item in time selection
Last edited by juliansader; 10-28-2017 at 10:56 AM.
|
|
|
10-28-2017, 09:01 AM
|
#303
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 3,714
|
The action "Envelope: Insert automation item" and the API function InsertAutomationItem both have the side-effect of deselecting all other AIs.
I suggest that the insertion of a new AI should not affect other AIs' selection status at all.
If other AIs are left undisturbed, the user can easily insert several new AIs (which are automatically selected when inserted) and then move them all together, without having to laboriously re-select previous AIs that may be scattered among other tracks and envelopes lanes.
|
|
|
10-28-2017, 09:11 AM
|
#304
|
Administrator
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: NY
Posts: 15,822
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by juliansader
The action "Envelope: Insert automation item" and the API function InsertAutomationItem both have the side-effect of deselecting all other AIs.
|
Fair point, but the current behavior does mirror what happens when you insert media items.
|
|
|
10-29-2017, 02:09 PM
|
#306
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Belgium
Posts: 10,474
|
Weird behaviour with attaching point on the side of AI
https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/80...rdbehavior.gif
2 AI
-first AI swicth to connect on right side -> ok
- second AI switch to connect on both side -> ok
- second AI back to "not connect" -> bug the first AI loose its attachement
Other bug
https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/99...dbehavior2.gif
No attachement of AI (bypass envelope under)
Create 2 AI
in read mode :
-Track volume BEFORE first AI has the first AI value which is make no sens
- Track volume BETWEEN both AI keep first AI value ????
- Track Volume AFTER second AI keep second AI value???
I really don't get it???
Last edited by Reno.thestraws; 10-30-2017 at 12:27 AM.
|
|
|
10-29-2017, 04:29 PM
|
#307
|
Administrator
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: NY
Posts: 15,822
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reno.thestraws
No attachement of AI (bypass envelope under)
Create 2 AI
in read mode :
-Track volume BEFORE first AI has the first AI value which is make no sens
- Track volume BETWEEN both AI keep first AI value ????
- Track Volume AFTER second AI keep second AI value???
|
Completely by design.
|
|
|
10-29-2017, 04:40 PM
|
#308
|
Administrator
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: NY
Posts: 15,822
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reno.thestraws
-first AI swicth to connect on right side -> ok
- second AI switch to connect on both side -> ok
- second AI back to "not connect" -> bug the first AI loose its attachement
|
These actions set the preference for the entire envelope, it does not apply to individual automation items.
Last edited by schwa; 10-29-2017 at 04:47 PM.
|
|
|
10-29-2017, 04:43 PM
|
#309
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Belgium
Posts: 10,474
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
These actions set the preference for the entire project, it does not apply to individual automation items.
|
in the licecap, I used the envelope actions, not the "options" ones
It's confusing
If I set the first item to attach on right side, why the hell did he loose these behavior if I swtich back the second one?
|
|
|
10-29-2017, 04:46 PM
|
#310
|
Administrator
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: NY
Posts: 15,822
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iv_Karev
Hello everybody! I was trying to incorporate into my workflow the "insert new automation item when writing automation" feature whith "trim content behind AI when editing" option enabled and unfortunately encountered this BUGs(?):
|
1, 2, and 4 appear to be bugs; thanks for the report. 3 is intentional behavior -- the preference is to trim content when editing, not when writing automation.
|
|
|
10-29-2017, 04:47 PM
|
#311
|
Administrator
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: NY
Posts: 15,822
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reno.thestraws
in the licecap, I used the envelope actions, not the "options" ones
It's confusing
If I set the first item to attach on right side, why the hell did he loose these behavior if I swtich back the second one?
|
Sorry, I thought you were toggling the project options. As you say, you are toggling the envelope options, which apply to the entire envelope, not the individual automation items.
|
|
|
10-29-2017, 04:53 PM
|
#312
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Belgium
Posts: 10,474
|
OK, I understand
But it's confusing imho
Maybe some dedicated AI action would be more intuitive
Or maybe some kind of "fade in extension" & "fade out extension" section on each AI that would link the start and end to the existing envelope (other AI)
no fade -> actual behavior
"fade in" -> link from previous AI or previous envelope to the start of AI
fade out -> link from AI end to next AI or existing envelope
just thinking out loud
|
|
|
10-29-2017, 05:04 PM
|
#313
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Croatia
Posts: 24,798
|
It's not confusing at all. Envelope actions apply per envelope, it's that simple. If you don't want the underlying envelope to be visible, then there's no point in asking for fade ins/outs in that mode - this is for the mode where there IS an underlying envelope, and is connecting to AIs on both sides.
|
|
|
10-30-2017, 12:26 AM
|
#314
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Belgium
Posts: 10,474
|
Quote:
If you don't want the underlying envelope to be visible, then there's no point in asking for fade ins/outs in that mode - this is for the mode where there IS an underlying envelope, and is connecting to AIs on both sides.
|
Huh?
where and when did I say that I don't want the underlying env to be visible?
Re-read my post and click on the first licecap link
https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/80...rdbehavior.gif
|
|
|
10-30-2017, 06:56 AM
|
#315
|
Administrator
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: NY
Posts: 15,822
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
3 is intentional behavior -- the preference is to trim content when editing, not when writing automation.
|
Although it does make sense to either add an option to trim content when writing automation, or link that behavior to the existing option.
|
|
|
10-30-2017, 07:10 AM
|
#316
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Croatia
Posts: 24,798
|
Link to existing option
|
|
|
10-30-2017, 11:46 AM
|
#317
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 6
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
Although it does make sense to either add an option to trim content when writing automation, or link that behavior to the existing option.
|
What option we are talking about? Where one can find one).
|
|
|
10-30-2017, 01:24 PM
|
#318
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: ASU`ogacihC
Posts: 3,921
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iv_Karev
What option we are talking about? Where one can find one).
|
Options > Preferences > Editing Behavior > Automation, bottom checkbox on right > Trim content behind automation items when editing or writing automation
You'll also find that option in Action list so you can add it to a shortcut key/toolbar button
|
|
|
10-31-2017, 11:42 AM
|
#319
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 6
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Edgemeal
Options > Preferences > Editing Behavior > Automation, bottom checkbox on right > Trim content behind automation items when editing or writing automation
You'll also find that option in Action list so you can add it to a shortcut key/toolbar button
|
Ha! Thank you for the answer! But what i meant to ask is, link to what existing option was proposed by Schwa and EvilDragon. Sorry for the confusion...
|
|
|
10-31-2017, 11:55 AM
|
#320
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Croatia
Posts: 24,798
|
Latest 5.65pre: + Envelopes: option to trim content behind automation items when editing also trims when writing automation
|
|
|
Thread Tools |
|
Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:09 AM.
|