Old 06-10-2020, 05:49 AM   #1
Coachz
Human being with feelings
 
Coachz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 12,769
Default Snap distance has no effect

Changing snap distance from 1 to 20 to 200 or more has no effect on snapping distance here.


Last edited by Coachz; 06-10-2020 at 08:12 AM.
Coachz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2020, 05:36 AM   #2
Coachz
Human being with feelings
 
Coachz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 12,769
Default

I understand the minimum pixel setting for GRID. The "minimum pixels" text box modifies the minimum distance between visible lines in screen coordinates.



What I don't get though is "Snap distance __ pixels" and "Grid snap spacing....minimum __ pixels" Both seem to have NO effect on snapping anything I do. Can someone explain how they work?



Last edited by Coachz; 06-12-2020 at 05:48 AM.
Coachz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2020, 07:02 AM   #3
Coachz
Human being with feelings
 
Coachz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 12,769
Default

bump, can anyone else confirm this please ?
Coachz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2020, 04:19 AM   #4
Coachz
Human being with feelings
 
Coachz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 12,769
Default

Anyone? It makes zero difference here. Confirmation please?
Coachz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2020, 03:53 AM   #5
Coachz
Human being with feelings
 
Coachz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 12,769
Default

Anyone? It makes zero difference here. Confirmation please?
Coachz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2020, 07:45 AM   #6
Coachz
Human being with feelings
 
Coachz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 12,769
Default

198 views and no one can comment or test this to confirm this bug ? People ! help a brother out.


Last edited by Coachz; 06-17-2020 at 07:57 AM.
Coachz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2020, 11:38 AM   #7
Fabian
Human being with feelings
 
Fabian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Sweden
Posts: 7,416
Default

It seems that the grid lines take precedence. If I set grid line spacing to 4, then I can play around with the snap distance and actually notice a difference between 4, 40, and 400.
__________________
// MVHMF
I never always did the right thing, but all I did wasn't wrong...
Fabian is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2020, 02:42 PM   #8
beingmf
Human being with feelings
 
beingmf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Jazz City
Posts: 5,065
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabian View Post
It seems that the grid lines take precedence. If I set grid line spacing to 4, then I can play around with the snap distance and actually notice a difference between 4, 40, and 400.
That might be!

@Coachz: "… follows grid visibility" might be the ticket. The further you zoom out, the coarser the snap range.
__________________
Windows 10x64 | AMD Ryzen 3700X | ATI FirePro 2100 | Marian Seraph AD2, 4.3.8 | Yamaha Steinberg MR816x
"If I can hear well, then everything I do is right" (Allen Sides)
beingmf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2020, 05:28 AM   #9
Coachz
Human being with feelings
 
Coachz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 12,769
Default

I tried the above suggestions and I don't see any change in snapping regardless of my value or zoom level. It just has no effect at all.



Last edited by Coachz; 06-18-2020 at 05:34 AM.
Coachz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2020, 10:07 AM   #10
beingmf
Human being with feelings
 
beingmf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Jazz City
Posts: 5,065
Default

So this is getting weird indeed:
Look what happens when I move the item - only to the right of the first marker line it's not snapping correctly, but there is no other item/marker/cursor that might break the snapping rule!?

__________________
Windows 10x64 | AMD Ryzen 3700X | ATI FirePro 2100 | Marian Seraph AD2, 4.3.8 | Yamaha Steinberg MR816x
"If I can hear well, then everything I do is right" (Allen Sides)
beingmf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2020, 10:11 AM   #11
Coachz
Human being with feelings
 
Coachz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 12,769
Default

It would be cool if you were snapping one item to something else and the two boundaries would light up different colors to show you that they're going to snap. They can act like a guitar tuner and change colors as they get closer and closer until they flash to indicate that you have snap that when you let go you get a new color. It might not be the most intuitive but I'm open to ideas
Coachz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2020, 10:14 AM   #12
Coachz
Human being with feelings
 
Coachz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 12,769
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by beingmf View Post
So this is getting weird indeed:
Look what happens when I move the item - only to the right of the first marker line it's not snapping correctly, but there is no other item/marker/cursor that might break the snapping rule!?

It doesn't look like it snaps at all to the first fully visible red marker on the left. If you pinch the graphic on your tablet you can really zoom in and really see where it's snapping and where it's not for others who are trying to look at this.
Coachz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2020, 11:31 AM   #13
Fabian
Human being with feelings
 
Fabian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Sweden
Posts: 7,416
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coachz View Post
I tried the above suggestions and I don't see any change in snapping regardless of my value or zoom level. It just has no effect at all.


Set grid line spacing in the drop down box (where you now have "1/4") to 4, you'll notice the difference.
__________________
// MVHMF
I never always did the right thing, but all I did wasn't wrong...
Fabian is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2020, 11:40 AM   #14
beingmf
Human being with feelings
 
beingmf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Jazz City
Posts: 5,065
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabian View Post
Set grid line spacing in the drop down box (where you now have "1/4") to 4, you'll notice the difference.
Shouldn't make a difference with "visible..." ticked.
__________________
Windows 10x64 | AMD Ryzen 3700X | ATI FirePro 2100 | Marian Seraph AD2, 4.3.8 | Yamaha Steinberg MR816x
"If I can hear well, then everything I do is right" (Allen Sides)
beingmf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2020, 01:40 PM   #15
Fabian
Human being with feelings
 
Fabian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Sweden
Posts: 7,416
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by beingmf View Post
Shouldn't make a difference with "visible..." ticked.
I am not sure what "visible" you mean, but it sure makes a big difference here if I set grid line spacing to 4 instead of 1/4. Only with grid line spacing set to 4 do I notice a difference between snap distances 4, 40, 400.

I see now that I also have Media item snap at: Only snap to start/snap offset. Still...
__________________
// MVHMF
I never always did the right thing, but all I did wasn't wrong...
Fabian is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2020, 01:44 PM   #16
beingmf
Human being with feelings
 
beingmf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Jazz City
Posts: 5,065
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabian View Post
I am not sure what "visible" you mean
Sorry: "Grid snap settings follow visibility". That's what didn't make me miss editing in Logic any longer.
__________________
Windows 10x64 | AMD Ryzen 3700X | ATI FirePro 2100 | Marian Seraph AD2, 4.3.8 | Yamaha Steinberg MR816x
"If I can hear well, then everything I do is right" (Allen Sides)
beingmf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2020, 04:30 PM   #17
Coachz
Human being with feelings
 
Coachz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 12,769
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabian View Post
I am not sure what "visible" you mean, but it sure makes a big difference here if I set grid line spacing to 4 instead of 1/4. Only with grid line spacing set to 4 do I notice a difference between snap distances 4, 40, 400.

I see now that I also have Media item snap at: Only snap to start/snap offset. Still...
But I want to see the gridlines on 1/4 note grid. I tried with start/snap offset too but nomchange.
Coachz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2020, 04:02 AM   #18
Fabian
Human being with feelings
 
Fabian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Sweden
Posts: 7,416
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coachz View Post
But I want to see the gridlines on 1/4 note grid. I tried with start/snap offset too but nomchange.
OK, but it seems that if you have grid lines at 1/4, snapping to those take precedence and so the snap distance is irrelevant. That is what I gather from my experiments, but I might be wrong.

Is it all possible not to snap to grid lines? It seems that this is what you want; not snap to grid lines and only have the snap distance dictating who snap works.
__________________
// MVHMF
I never always did the right thing, but all I did wasn't wrong...
Fabian is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2020, 04:33 AM   #19
Coachz
Human being with feelings
 
Coachz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 12,769
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabian View Post
OK, but it seems that if you have grid lines at 1/4, snapping to those take precedence and so the snap distance is irrelevant. That is what I gather from my experiments, but I might be wrong.

Is it all possible not to snap to grid lines? It seems that this is what you want; not snap to grid lines and only have the snap distance dictating who snap works.
I do want to snap gridlines but I thought this snap distance would determine how close I need to get to the 1/4 (1 beat) gridline before it's magnetic pull snapped it. I thought snap distance was the same as "magnetic pull strength". Maybe Ollie or someone can chime in on what it's for. The manual and multiple videos didn't explain it.
Coachz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2020, 05:59 AM   #20
Coachz
Human being with feelings
 
Coachz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 12,769
Default

Does anyone get what I'm saying?
Coachz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2020, 02:13 PM   #21
beingmf
Human being with feelings
 
beingmf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Jazz City
Posts: 5,065
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coachz View Post
Does anyone get what I'm saying?
Yes, but it seems to be broken in your Reaper install. And partly in mine, too.
__________________
Windows 10x64 | AMD Ryzen 3700X | ATI FirePro 2100 | Marian Seraph AD2, 4.3.8 | Yamaha Steinberg MR816x
"If I can hear well, then everything I do is right" (Allen Sides)
beingmf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2020, 04:27 PM   #22
Coachz
Human being with feelings
 
Coachz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 12,769
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by beingmf View Post
Yes, but it seems to be broken in your Reaper install. And partly in mine, too.
I've tried dozens of versions and it never works.
Coachz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2020, 12:04 PM   #23
beingmf
Human being with feelings
 
beingmf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Jazz City
Posts: 5,065
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coachz View Post
I've tried dozens of versions and it never works.
Also in a portable install?
__________________
Windows 10x64 | AMD Ryzen 3700X | ATI FirePro 2100 | Marian Seraph AD2, 4.3.8 | Yamaha Steinberg MR816x
"If I can hear well, then everything I do is right" (Allen Sides)
beingmf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2020, 12:42 PM   #24
Coachz
Human being with feelings
 
Coachz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 12,769
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by beingmf View Post
Also in a portable install?
Yes same there
Coachz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2020, 11:27 AM   #25
Fabian
Human being with feelings
 
Fabian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Sweden
Posts: 7,416
Default

When I set grid line spacing to 4, snap distance indeed acts as a "magnetic strength", I think that is visible in the gif I posted above.

But it seems to me that with grid lines spaced closer, like 1/4, the "magnetic force" gets messed up, which sort of makes sense. If you have 20 pixels between grid lines and the snap distance is set to 40, what is supposed to happen?

And I run portable install, always.
__________________
// MVHMF
I never always did the right thing, but all I did wasn't wrong...
Fabian is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2020, 11:56 AM   #26
Coachz
Human being with feelings
 
Coachz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 12,769
Default

That's my entire question. What is this feature supposed to do !!! He He
Coachz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2020, 05:27 AM   #27
nicholas
Scribe
 
nicholas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Van Diemen's Land
Posts: 12,166
Default

Don't know if this helps ...

https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=184008
__________________
Learning Manuals and Reaper Books
REAPER Unleashed - ReaMix - REAPER User Guide
http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/glazfolk
nicholas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2020, 03:21 AM   #28
reapercurious
Human being with feelings
 
reapercurious's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,890
Default

I have to say that the snapping and grid settings in Reaper are extremely extremely, extremely (add 1 more extremelely) complicated and after more than 10 years they still don't make sense. I guess everybody else is a super genius that laughs at us.

years ago, on this very forum, I asked for help, learned about snapping, and after a couple years I forgot again.

if there needs to be a tutorial for the grid and snap settings, that is not a good sign. it means that some factoring could be done to reduce the terms of this quantum kabbalistic mumbo jumbo.

regarding the overboard nature of preferences, imgaine if you're a producer or an engineer who travels from studio to studio and you use Reaper. You could lose a lot of time just setting up preferences while the musicians are getting impatient. I suppose there's a tutorial for handling that case too... All I wanted to do was bend the string like "deernt deerrnt deener deener deeen"

Last edited by reapercurious; 07-05-2020 at 03:30 AM.
reapercurious is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2020, 06:36 AM   #29
Coachz
Human being with feelings
 
Coachz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 12,769
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by reapercurious View Post
I have to say that the snapping and grid settings in Reaper are extremely extremely, extremely (add 1 more extremelely) complicated and after more than 10 years they still don't make sense. I guess everybody else is a super genius that laughs at us.

years ago, on this very forum, I asked for help, learned about snapping, and after a couple years I forgot again.

if there needs to be a tutorial for the grid and snap settings, that is not a good sign. it means that some factoring could be done to reduce the terms of this quantum kabbalistic mumbo jumbo.

regarding the overboard nature of preferences, imgaine if you're a producer or an engineer who travels from studio to studio and you use Reaper. You could lose a lot of time just setting up preferences while the musicians are getting impatient. I suppose there's a tutorial for handling that case too... All I wanted to do was bend the string like "deernt deerrnt deener deener deeen"
If you're traveling from studio to studio I would carry my export prefs on a usb and import them so I had the same setup everywhere, otherwise it would be nuts.
Coachz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2020, 06:40 AM   #30
Coachz
Human being with feelings
 
Coachz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 12,769
Default

Kenny appears to get his snap to change with different snap distance but I do not. Did it break since then ? All my settings appear the same. Reaper gods please come down and clear this up!
https://youtu.be/RuA6fzBqEbc?t=341

Coachz is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:18 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.