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06-10-2020, 05:49 AM
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Snap distance has no effect
Changing snap distance from 1 to 20 to 200 or more has no effect on snapping distance here.
Last edited by Coachz; 06-10-2020 at 08:12 AM.
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06-12-2020, 05:36 AM
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I understand the minimum pixel setting for GRID. The "minimum pixels" text box modifies the minimum distance between visible lines in screen coordinates.
What I don't get though is "Snap distance __ pixels" and "Grid snap spacing....minimum __ pixels" Both seem to have NO effect on snapping anything I do. Can someone explain how they work?
Last edited by Coachz; 06-12-2020 at 05:48 AM.
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06-13-2020, 07:02 AM
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bump, can anyone else confirm this please ?
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06-15-2020, 04:19 AM
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Anyone? It makes zero difference here. Confirmation please?
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06-16-2020, 03:53 AM
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Anyone? It makes zero difference here. Confirmation please?
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06-17-2020, 07:45 AM
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198 views and no one can comment or test this to confirm this bug ? People ! help a brother out.
Last edited by Coachz; 06-17-2020 at 07:57 AM.
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06-17-2020, 11:38 AM
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It seems that the grid lines take precedence. If I set grid line spacing to 4, then I can play around with the snap distance and actually notice a difference between 4, 40, and 400.
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06-17-2020, 02:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabian
It seems that the grid lines take precedence. If I set grid line spacing to 4, then I can play around with the snap distance and actually notice a difference between 4, 40, and 400.
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That might be!
@Coachz: "… follows grid visibility" might be the ticket. The further you zoom out, the coarser the snap range.
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06-18-2020, 05:28 AM
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I tried the above suggestions and I don't see any change in snapping regardless of my value or zoom level. It just has no effect at all.
Last edited by Coachz; 06-18-2020 at 05:34 AM.
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06-18-2020, 10:07 AM
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So this is getting weird indeed:
Look what happens when I move the item - only to the right of the first marker line it's not snapping correctly, but there is no other item/marker/cursor that might break the snapping rule!?
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06-18-2020, 10:11 AM
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It would be cool if you were snapping one item to something else and the two boundaries would light up different colors to show you that they're going to snap. They can act like a guitar tuner and change colors as they get closer and closer until they flash to indicate that you have snap that when you let go you get a new color. It might not be the most intuitive but I'm open to ideas
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06-18-2020, 10:14 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by beingmf
So this is getting weird indeed:
Look what happens when I move the item - only to the right of the first marker line it's not snapping correctly, but there is no other item/marker/cursor that might break the snapping rule!?
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It doesn't look like it snaps at all to the first fully visible red marker on the left. If you pinch the graphic on your tablet you can really zoom in and really see where it's snapping and where it's not for others who are trying to look at this.
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06-18-2020, 11:31 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coachz
I tried the above suggestions and I don't see any change in snapping regardless of my value or zoom level. It just has no effect at all.
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Set grid line spacing in the drop down box (where you now have "1/4") to 4, you'll notice the difference.
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06-18-2020, 11:40 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabian
Set grid line spacing in the drop down box (where you now have "1/4") to 4, you'll notice the difference.
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Shouldn't make a difference with "visible..." ticked.
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06-18-2020, 01:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by beingmf
Shouldn't make a difference with "visible..." ticked.
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I am not sure what "visible" you mean, but it sure makes a big difference here if I set grid line spacing to 4 instead of 1/4. Only with grid line spacing set to 4 do I notice a difference between snap distances 4, 40, 400.
I see now that I also have Media item snap at: Only snap to start/snap offset. Still...
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06-18-2020, 01:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabian
I am not sure what "visible" you mean
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Sorry: "Grid snap settings follow visibility". That's what didn't make me miss editing in Logic any longer.
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06-18-2020, 04:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabian
I am not sure what "visible" you mean, but it sure makes a big difference here if I set grid line spacing to 4 instead of 1/4. Only with grid line spacing set to 4 do I notice a difference between snap distances 4, 40, 400.
I see now that I also have Media item snap at: Only snap to start/snap offset. Still...
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But I want to see the gridlines on 1/4 note grid. I tried with start/snap offset too but nomchange.
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06-19-2020, 04:02 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coachz
But I want to see the gridlines on 1/4 note grid. I tried with start/snap offset too but nomchange.
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OK, but it seems that if you have grid lines at 1/4, snapping to those take precedence and so the snap distance is irrelevant. That is what I gather from my experiments, but I might be wrong.
Is it all possible not to snap to grid lines? It seems that this is what you want; not snap to grid lines and only have the snap distance dictating who snap works.
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06-19-2020, 04:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabian
OK, but it seems that if you have grid lines at 1/4, snapping to those take precedence and so the snap distance is irrelevant. That is what I gather from my experiments, but I might be wrong.
Is it all possible not to snap to grid lines? It seems that this is what you want; not snap to grid lines and only have the snap distance dictating who snap works.
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I do want to snap gridlines but I thought this snap distance would determine how close I need to get to the 1/4 (1 beat) gridline before it's magnetic pull snapped it. I thought snap distance was the same as "magnetic pull strength". Maybe Ollie or someone can chime in on what it's for. The manual and multiple videos didn't explain it.
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06-24-2020, 05:59 AM
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Does anyone get what I'm saying?
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06-24-2020, 02:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coachz
Does anyone get what I'm saying?
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Yes, but it seems to be broken in your Reaper install. And partly in mine, too.
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06-24-2020, 04:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by beingmf
Yes, but it seems to be broken in your Reaper install. And partly in mine, too.
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I've tried dozens of versions and it never works.
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06-25-2020, 12:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coachz
I've tried dozens of versions and it never works.
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Also in a portable install?
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06-25-2020, 12:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by beingmf
Also in a portable install?
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Yes same there
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06-26-2020, 11:27 AM
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When I set grid line spacing to 4, snap distance indeed acts as a "magnetic strength", I think that is visible in the gif I posted above.
But it seems to me that with grid lines spaced closer, like 1/4, the "magnetic force" gets messed up, which sort of makes sense. If you have 20 pixels between grid lines and the snap distance is set to 40, what is supposed to happen?
And I run portable install, always.
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06-26-2020, 11:56 AM
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That's my entire question. What is this feature supposed to do !!! He He
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06-30-2020, 05:27 AM
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07-05-2020, 03:21 AM
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I have to say that the snapping and grid settings in Reaper are extremely extremely, extremely (add 1 more extremelely) complicated and after more than 10 years they still don't make sense. I guess everybody else is a super genius that laughs at us.
years ago, on this very forum, I asked for help, learned about snapping, and after a couple years I forgot again.
if there needs to be a tutorial for the grid and snap settings, that is not a good sign. it means that some factoring could be done to reduce the terms of this quantum kabbalistic mumbo jumbo.
regarding the overboard nature of preferences, imgaine if you're a producer or an engineer who travels from studio to studio and you use Reaper. You could lose a lot of time just setting up preferences while the musicians are getting impatient. I suppose there's a tutorial for handling that case too... All I wanted to do was bend the string like "deernt deerrnt deener deener deeen"
Last edited by reapercurious; 07-05-2020 at 03:30 AM.
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07-05-2020, 06:36 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by reapercurious
I have to say that the snapping and grid settings in Reaper are extremely extremely, extremely (add 1 more extremelely) complicated and after more than 10 years they still don't make sense. I guess everybody else is a super genius that laughs at us.
years ago, on this very forum, I asked for help, learned about snapping, and after a couple years I forgot again.
if there needs to be a tutorial for the grid and snap settings, that is not a good sign. it means that some factoring could be done to reduce the terms of this quantum kabbalistic mumbo jumbo.
regarding the overboard nature of preferences, imgaine if you're a producer or an engineer who travels from studio to studio and you use Reaper. You could lose a lot of time just setting up preferences while the musicians are getting impatient. I suppose there's a tutorial for handling that case too... All I wanted to do was bend the string like "deernt deerrnt deener deener deeen"
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If you're traveling from studio to studio I would carry my export prefs on a usb and import them so I had the same setup everywhere, otherwise it would be nuts.
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07-05-2020, 06:40 AM
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Kenny appears to get his snap to change with different snap distance but I do not. Did it break since then ? All my settings appear the same. Reaper gods please come down and clear this up!
https://youtu.be/RuA6fzBqEbc?t=341
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