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03-16-2011, 12:52 PM
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Arrange vs Mixer scrolling ...
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Sorry to post this in here instead of the dedicated FR sub-forum; I feel it needs to be addressed during this pre-release cycle ...
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OSX ... REAPER v4.0alpha51a
We need proper horizontal scrolling in the mixer.
Currently, a horizontal scroll with the mouse cursor over the arrange window works as expected ... the view scrolls left/right. A vertical scroll ... scrolls vertically ... nice.
This is what happens with the cursor over the mixer window:
- horizontal scrolling scrolls the arrange view not the mixer view - why?
- vertical motion scrolling scrolls horizontally ...... unintuitive, and means that it's not possible to have mousewheel fader control enabled because the vertical scrolling motion only scrolls horizontally when the cursor is over the fader area ...... not when over the send/fx area :-/
I don't know if this is relevant to the Windows build or not ... but please can it be sorted out?
It really drives me bananas! ... thanks.
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Last edited by timlloyd; 07-07-2011 at 08:36 AM.
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03-16-2011, 12:55 PM
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+1, please make whatever the user assigns as horizontal scroll also work on the mixer. This fucks me up every single time.
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03-16-2011, 01:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamWathan
+1, please make whatever the user assigns as horizontal scroll also work on the mixer. This fucks me up every single time.
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...and also include the Media Explorer waveform display. The zoom doesn't follow the user setting of the TCP etc.
Shane
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03-19-2011, 08:00 AM
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Vertical scrolling does not work as expected. It's very annoying! I want a real default vertical scroll, not a default horizontal zoom !!! WTH is wrong with that??? This the default OS behavior, on any OS, BTW!
I don't have to program this stuff myself!!! I don't even know where to look.
Reaper is TOO much customizable. Too complicated. I'm a musician not a programer.
I need something that works as expected right out of the box, and just focus on making music. Not spend days on end to try to customize it to my needs.
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03-19-2011, 08:12 AM
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++++ 111111 for this!!!
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03-19-2011, 01:39 PM
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+1 to all of the above. Consistency is always a plus, so at the very least it should be user-tested.
Also, a small idea for the mixer.
Instead of the scrollbar, a navigator-type display that displays the colours of the tracks.
It may or may not work, depending on how the colours area presented. Other information could be part of that display as well, such as small track numbers, or mouse-over track-name tooltips. I'll cook up a small mockup and post it right here.
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03-19-2011, 02:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by airon
+1 to all of the above. Consistency is always a plus, so at the very least it should be user-tested.
Also, a small idea for the mixer.
Instead of the scrollbar, a navigator-type display that displays the colours of the tracks.
It may or may not work, depending on how the colours area presented. Other information could be part of that display as well, such as small track numbers, or mouse-over track-name tooltips. I'll cook up a small mockup and post it right here.
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+10000
I would also add an auto-zoom when a track is selected.
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03-19-2011, 04:13 PM
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Mockup for the Mixer Navigation bar idea:
Click on the image to get the full size image:
In that image you'll see a 75 track session. On a 1920x1200 monitor that leaves at 20 pixels per track for the navigation display. Even at 300 tracks, you'll be able to have a reasonably overview. The problem may arise when the user has the mixer window resized to something so small that only a few pixels per track are possible. In that case it may be necessary to eliminate the 1-pixel divider space and just plot the track colours.
Another problem is that the theme images in the label area and the track colours mix to produce a new colour. It may be necessary to sample the actual resulting image colour to generate a more accurate 'thumbnail' colour for the mixer navigation bar.
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03-21-2011, 12:37 AM
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No comments on the idea above ?
Surprising.
Look at the scrollbar in the mixer if you're wondering what this is about.
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03-21-2011, 01:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neve
Vertical scrolling does not work as expected. It's very annoying! I want a real default vertical scroll, not a default horizontal zoom !!! WTH is wrong with that??? This the default OS behavior, on any OS
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+1.000.000
it's very annoying and un-intuitive the current behaviour.
I would like to see implemented a STANDARD default behaviour.
Anyone who is approaching Reaper go crazy in this way.
Plus sometimes i am scrolling on TCP when i move -unwantedly- the mouse on the main window causing a nasty reaction.
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03-21-2011, 03:02 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by airon
No comments on the idea above ?
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I think it's great. However, I don't colour my track backgrounds ... so it wouldn't benefit me that much.
+1 anyway
But ... first ... lets have the mixer simply able to scroll properly
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03-21-2011, 04:13 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timlloyd
Sorry to post this in here instead of the dedicated FR sub-forum; I feel it needs to be addressed during this pre-release cycle ...
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OSX ... REAPER v4.0alpha51a
We need proper horizontal scrolling in the mixer.
Currently, a horizontal scroll with the mouse cursor over the arrange window works as expected ... the view scrolls left/right. A vertical scroll ... scrolls vertically ... nice.
This is what happens with the cursor over the mixer window:
- horizontal scrolling scrolls the arrange view not the mixer view - why?
- vertical motion scrolling scrolls horizontally ...... unintuitive, and means that it's not possible to have mousewheel fader control enabled because the vertical scrolling motion only scrolls horizontally when the cursor is over the fader area ...... not when over the send/fx area :-/
I don't know if this is relevant to the Windows build or not ... but please can it be sorted out?
It really drives me bananas! ... thanks.
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yes!!
i have a 4 way scrolling mouse & horizontal scrolling works great in the midi editor & arrange view, & i keep trying to use it in the mixer with no joy
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03-21-2011, 04:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timlloyd
I think it's great. However, I don't colour my track backgrounds ... so it wouldn't benefit me that much.
+1 anyway
But ... first ... lets have the mixer simply able to scroll properly
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+1 i also think its great
but... Mmmmmmm horizontal scrolling in mixer.........
Doh!
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03-21-2011, 05:14 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by airon
No comments on the idea above ?
Surprising.
Look at the scrollbar in the mixer if you're wondering what this is about.
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For me, that'd be really cool to work with, very clever!
Btw, is this theme available already...?
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03-21-2011, 05:41 AM
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hand-scrolling with middle mouse button as well.
I think there's a Fr for that already though.
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03-21-2011, 06:53 AM
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Hmm.
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Originally Posted by strinxx
For me, that'd be really cool to work with, very clever!
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Thanks. Of course this may not be the only way a navigator type of display could be integrated. This just jumped out at me, especially the simplistic way of displaying folders.
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Btw, is this theme available already...?
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It's a really old, incomplete version of a theme in progress. I don't know when it'll be out.
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Originally Posted by timlloyd
But ... first ... lets have the mixer simply able to scroll properly
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I totally agree. Consistency is on everyone's mind and this may possibly be 'the next thing'.
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03-22-2011, 03:12 AM
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Here's a small portion of the original screenshot:
To be clear, I'm proposing that the scroll bar simply carry additional information. Without track colouring you'll at least be able to tell where your folders are.
And will you look at that. 4000+ posts. :P
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03-22-2011, 03:41 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by airon
Here's a small portion of the original screenshot:
To be clear, I'm proposing that the scroll bar simply carry additional information. Without track colouring you'll at least be able to tell where your folders are.
And will you look at that. 4000+ posts. :P
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great idea!
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03-22-2011, 04:01 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EricM
hand-scrolling with middle mouse button as well.
I think there's a Fr for that already though.
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+1
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03-22-2011, 09:28 AM
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I like it Airon
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03-22-2011, 10:28 AM
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That looks good!
I would also love the ability to display what tracks my hardware controllers are assigned to as well
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04-28-2011, 05:34 AM
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bumping this
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04-28-2011, 08:23 PM
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+1 to airon's suggestion.
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05-10-2011, 02:47 PM
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( ... pleeeeeeeeeaaaaase before v4? )
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05-31-2011, 07:03 AM
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friendly but desperate bump
... and an FR
http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=3379
just vote yes
Airon's mockup is awesome, but this scrolling thing is so fundamental imo that I don't see the need to merge the two ideas at this stage.
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05-31-2011, 08:16 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timlloyd
Sorry to post this in here instead of the dedicated FR sub-forum; I feel it needs to be addressed during this pre-release cycle ...
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OSX ... REAPER v4.0alpha51a
We need proper horizontal scrolling in the mixer.
Currently, a horizontal scroll with the mouse cursor over the arrange window works as expected ... the view scrolls left/right. A vertical scroll ... scrolls vertically ... nice.
This is what happens with the cursor over the mixer window:
- horizontal scrolling scrolls the arrange view not the mixer view - why?
- vertical motion scrolling scrolls horizontally ...... unintuitive, and means that it's not possible to have mousewheel fader control enabled because the vertical scrolling motion only scrolls horizontally when the cursor is over the fader area ...... not when over the send/fx area :-/
I don't know if this is relevant to the Windows build or not ... but please can it be sorted out?
It really drives me bananas! ... thanks.
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I fully support this. As it is now it´s almost a showstopper.
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05-31-2011, 11:17 AM
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+1
Great idea and mock-up Airon. Your ideas and insight during this release cycle have been first class.
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07-07-2011, 08:18 AM
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introduction to life
Oh, all proposals would introduce, would be happy
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07-07-2011, 08:29 AM
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+1 from my side as well!
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07-07-2011, 08:37 AM
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VOTE
sorry for not having that in here before
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10-20-2011, 06:22 PM
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hey hey hey! kinda bumpy in here ...
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11-02-2011, 07:59 PM
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just found this thread atop forum google search for: scrolling mixer
Please consider this a bump.
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11-02-2011, 10:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by airon
Mockup for the Mixer Navigation bar idea:
Click on the image to get the full size image:
In that image you'll see a 75 track session. On a 1920x1200 monitor that leaves at 20 pixels per track for the navigation display. Even at 300 tracks, you'll be able to have a reasonably overview. The problem may arise when the user has the mixer window resized to something so small that only a few pixels per track are possible. In that case it may be necessary to eliminate the 1-pixel divider space and just plot the track colours.
Another problem is that the theme images in the label area and the track colours mix to produce a new colour. It may be necessary to sample the actual resulting image colour to generate a more accurate 'thumbnail' colour for the mixer navigation bar.
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Every time I find an idea I like, its from this guy. +1 for sure.
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11-03-2011, 09:48 AM
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As it is now scrolling in Reaper with the mac magicmouse is a real pain.
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11-03-2011, 09:01 PM
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+1
Please !!!!!
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11-04-2011, 06:39 AM
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Excellent idea!! +1
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11-04-2011, 08:55 AM
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Great ideas guys!!!
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11-04-2011, 09:07 AM
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Airon's mockup is wicked (= amazing)
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11-04-2011, 09:14 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timlloyd
Airon's mockup is wicked (= amazing)
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I dunno. Similar to what we were talking about in the other thread ( here for those who didn't participate), that arrow/icon based way of showing folders can be completely confusing in the mcp when you don't have the indents to go with it and you're dealing with sub folders. I'd like to see a better way to visually organize folders created for the mixer instead of elaborating on the current mediocre way.
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01-29-2012, 09:13 AM
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+1 VOTED!
Airon`s mockup seems a little uncomfortable and cluttering for me. Frankly I don`t see the problem to scroll MCP horizontally as it requested in FR, without visual implementation of folders and track colors.
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