Old 11-07-2017, 09:42 AM   #1
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A new song (https://soundcloud.com/mikaelsundh/messed-up)
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This time I tried out Kazrog's amp sims instead of the usual BIAS.
Any comment appreciated.
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Old 11-07-2017, 11:44 PM   #2
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Hey.

I like it. I can't comment on the change of amps, I don't know them and their sound...

Perhaps a bit more bottom would drive the song a bit.

Also, I loaded it into Reaper and had a look at the mid vs side, and, as I suspected not much is going on in the sides. This makes for a rather flat, mono-like songs.

Just for fun, i duplicated the track, loaded Voxengo's Stereo free VSt and dialed in the Vocal setting(it's the less drastic) and bingo some neat sounds popped up in the sides. I muted the mid and blended those sides with the main track.

Then, for fun again, i duplicated the track, low passed all but the bottom, compressed, and blended that back with the main track.

I dialed in a bit of delay and blended that in the mix.

Added, Ferrox vst (some classic tape emulation) and glued the mix with a compressor limiter.

This is what I got - i hope you don't mind? It was just for demonstration purposes:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wnlnwva8r9...redV1.mp3?dl=0

Had i had the track i would of added more bass and more kick, a bit more vocal, and added some stereo effects in some places. But, it was fun to pseudo-master the song (not that i really know what i'm doing...)

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Old 11-08-2017, 12:28 AM   #3
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That's completely unlike Gary Numan.
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Old 11-08-2017, 01:30 AM   #4
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That's completely unlike Gary Numan.
So sorry to disappoint you
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Old 11-08-2017, 04:15 AM   #5
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I like what RDBOIS has done with this, very clever. The original feels to be rather on one level. I can visualise a slightly busier bassline that doesn't just follow the rhythm guitar strokes that would help the arrangement too. Happily the guitar still sounds like you!
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Old 11-08-2017, 08:41 AM   #6
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Enjoyed this! Some great energy.. What's there not to love about a guitar driven rock song??!!??

I echo previous comments about the mix sounding a little narrow - and more bass would definitely compliment this song.

As for the guitars - they sounded good. I'm not a big fan of Kazrog ampsims, personally. I've had his Recabinet plug for years and always find his cabs way too dark to fit a mix. Was this Thermionik? I tried those, Bias, TH3 and S-GEAR demos recently - but can never pull the trigger to buy one b/c the sound i get from free ampsims/impulses is just too close and doesn't justify the $$. However, of that list - i found TH3 to be the software i liked the best. UAD makes some really good stuff too, but again - $200 for something that's close to free is hard to justify (for me).
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Old 11-08-2017, 08:44 AM   #7
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That's great RDBOIS!
I have had big problem with this one, mainly loudness.
I have to deep down in this mid/side thing.
I know I have read/saw some tutorial about this and totally forgot it
Thanks for your effort.
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Old 11-09-2017, 12:44 AM   #8
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I have to deep down in this mid/side thing.
Hi Mikael.

Maybe you already know, but the MSED Vst free by the same Voxengo is very efficient to do that.

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Old 11-09-2017, 12:03 PM   #9
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For the guitars I used Thermionik and Recabinet.
Solo guitar: Serpent and Kazrog Green IRs.
Rythm guitars: Duality 3ch and Kazrog Oversize IRs.
At first I had great guitar sound but the wave form of the renderd song was a perfect rectangle
Never really got that sound back when normalizing volume/loudness.
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Old 11-11-2017, 04:37 AM   #10
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Uploaded a new version. (same link)
Used MSED on tracks instead of the master.
I think the guitars sound much better on this one.
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Uploaded a new version. (same link)
Used MSED on tracks instead of the master.
I think the guitars sound much better on this one.
Hi Mikael.

Much much better. MSED is a good tool().


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Old 11-11-2017, 05:19 AM   #12
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Yep....
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Old 11-11-2017, 05:37 AM   #13
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I really enjoyed this, it reminds me of a band I used to play a bunch of shows yeras ago with called The Tenants.

To me it sounds a lot like the Sex Pistols (in a good way).

Very tasty guitar tone/leads but could use some taming. How did you mix/treat the guitars? Did you whack a low pass filter on the guitar bus? Also try using a notch filter across the 15-22k range of the guitars and see what you find!

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Old 11-11-2017, 08:34 AM   #14
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Thanks.
I also rerecorded the bass. Thanks Barry.
I have a hi/low pass on all guitars and a side chain around 2kHz from the Vox.
I muted the mid on the rythm guitar and the sides on the solo guitars with MSED.

I know the rythm guitars are a bit out of beat and the reason for that is besides I'm lousy at keeping the rythm, I recorded the rythm guitar and them found out how to sing to it and when I rerecorded the guitar I got disturbed by the vocals
I will test the notch filter. Usually I low pass around that area.
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Yes the new bassline works much better. Good job.
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