Bitwig modulators, closest in Reaper, comparison of power?
Bitwig has modulators, what does Reaper have which is closest, and how powerful can Reaper be against Bitwig modulators? In terms of flexibility, usability, easy to setup. Or asked in a different way: Coolest way to setup modulators in Reaper.
The parameter modulation system that is in Reaper isn't great (which doesn't mean it's completely horrible, just not great) and I think it can't be properly replaced with 3rd party code either. I have seen nicer to use and more advanced implementations in other hosts.
BitWig may have the best parameter modulation currently available within a "normal" host. (Obviously things like Max/MSP offer even more control over such things but for example Max/MSP is not a typical track based host.)
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I personally really like the parameter modulation system in REAPER and use it frequently (on almost every project actually) but I agree with Xenakios that there's certainly plenty of room for improvement. It can be somewhat cumbersome to set up. What it does do though is extremely useful.
I don't like the modulation system at all. It's very complicated and unflexible compared to other DAWs. Regarding this, Bitwig is by far the best competitor on the market.
yes ! it +s not very intuitive. Just a little GUI improvement and small features and it would be far more useful and fun.
Copy paste modulations alone would be already very good
While the musical content is a matter of taste, this is how modulators should work. It's just perfectly integrated. Flexible, optically attractive and clear. This really could raise reaper's flexibility to a new level.
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Originally Posted by Gass n Klang
While the musical content is a matter of taste, this is how modulators should work. It's just perfectly integrated. Flexible, optically attractive and clear. This really could raise reaper's flexibility to a new level.
Definitely agree regarding the visual appearance and functional integration there. Combine that with the power of REAPERs current modulation system and this would a huge step up.
... This really could raise reaper's flexibility to a new level.
I am absolutely sure that I will never use such a Modulator. But agree about quality of the technical implementation shown.
But OK, with certain artists, killing the artist's performance is a viable endeavor.
Generally, IMHO this is not a decent task for a DAW, but a "special effect" that should be done by using an appropriate plugin.
Those "specialist" who do want to create such an effect do have a great choice of plugins that do all kinds of modulations: just route the audio to a dedicated track that holds such a plugin.
Those "specialist" who do want to create such an effect do have a great choice of plugins that do all kinds of modulations: just route the audio to a dedicated track that holds such a plugin.
Not exactly. I own Bitwig 2 even though I don't do any electronic music stuff. The major advantage with these DAW internal modifiers is that they are plugin independent. You can modify whichever plugin you want. The even more inportant point is: You can link several plugin parameters to the same modifier in different relations or inverted. Bitwigs goal is to by fully modular and even allow this track independent. So the modifier that changes the frequqncy of your LPF on one track could modify the reverb tail of another track. This opens a huge playground for any style of music. In addition: It's dead easy to use and damn fast!
I use Reaper because of its flexibility and the amazingly fast workflow. Modulators are one thing it takes a lot of time as soon as it gets a little bit more complex that just standard.
Even if it's not the most needed feature at the moment: I'm sure many users will find new amazing and creative ways to work with this kind of modulators as soon as they'll have the possibility...
Even if it's not the most needed feature at the moment: I'm sure many users will find new amazing and creative ways to work with this kind of modulators as soon as they'll have the possibility...
Modulators are one thing it takes a lot of time as soon as it gets a little bit more complex that just standard.
But this only because you did not create powerful enough custom actions which can just jump to the end result immediately, and you do it all by hand. As you know Reaper is crazy, it can do anything you can imagine. Just imagine.
common the topic is modulations supported by de DAW! which is a great feature!
Saying Anything else sorry but can't be serious ..
Suggesting alternatives to wanting exactly this as an integrated feature of the main program, and pointing out that it obviously is only of interest for a limited part of the customers, and stating that it already is decently doable, is not at all of-topic.
Suggesting alternatives to wanting exactly this as an integrated feature of the main program, and pointing out that it obviously is only of interest for a limited part of the customers, and stating that it already is decently doable, is not at all of-topic.
-Michael
Michael! sorry but any feature is always usable by a limited part of users. Ex: Not everyone will need Ara support, not everyone needs automation items, not everyone needs OSC support.
Someone that clearly does not use this features: example ARA - stating the support of them is already decently doable is not the best opinion we can have, and 99% of the requests would be filled with this arguments against, since day 1.
exactly! Everything that helps to bring the DAW to the fore is a good trend. Scripting is nice but it never can replace native functions in terms of efficiency and clarity (at least not for the normal, non-programming user)
ARA support - in fact any decently using of Melodyne - can't be achieved by a plugin. This needs to be provided by the main program, while modulation already can be done in many ways without needing an upgrade to Reaper. So this is a completely different issue on that behalf.
(I don't use either of Melodyne/ARA, automation items, or OSC support by Reaper itself. For me, SWS LiveConfigs, JSFX programmability, and OSCII-Bot - to name some -, are mission critical.)
(I don't use either of Melodyne/ARA, automation items, or OSC support by Reaper itself. For me, SWS LiveConfigs, JSFX programmability, and OSCII-Bot - to name some -, are mission critical.)
Reaper has envelopes, it has lua, now just make it so, one click generating any envelope you desire on last touched control. For me this is same as modulators. You only need to create the library yourself.