Old 11-20-2018, 10:29 AM   #1
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So, finding out my OS HDD was a bottleneck I bought a SSD.
Now, I've installed the SSD and cloned C (win8.1) to new drive.
But, how to I go from here.
I understand selecting new drive as startup in BIOS,
but drive-letter and paths will be broken, right?
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Old 11-20-2018, 10:44 AM   #2
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If it is a true and proper clone, you normally just physically swap the old drive with the new one and boot. <-- if this doesn't work, swap them back for now... How did you go about cloning it? I've been using Macrium and it was no problem to clone my C: drive then remove the old one, insert the new one and boot.
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If it is a true and proper clone, you normally just physically swap the old drive with the new one and boot. <-- if this doesn't work, swap them back for now... How did you go about cloning it? I've been using Macrium and it was no problem to clone my C: drive then remove the old one, insert the new one and boot.
Macrium here as well.
My former drive is supposed to stay in place, as it houses 2 other partitions as well.
Then I believe the old one was on a 3gb/s port, new on 6gb/s
The idea is to delete old C-partition, but of course, not before everything else is up and running.
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When you cloned, did you clone the boot partition and the C: partition? One way to know is to temporarily remove the old C: drive and plug the new one into the old 3gbs port and see if it boots (or look at the original macrium job to see what it says), if it does boot, see if it will now boot from the 6gbs port. You may need to use the repair option if you have an OS CD or repair disk. Also make sure the cable is 6gbs or you may not get the full benefit of the faster port IIRC.

Once you get the new one booting then you'll need to find a way to mark the old one as inactive. That would be easier most likely if you had a way to connect the old drive after the machine boots such as connecting it as an external USB drive - but I have to stop here and see if someone else knows an obvious easier method since it's been many years since I've cloned a system partition then needed to boot the new one on a different drive port with the old one intact on the old port.
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Old 11-20-2018, 12:39 PM   #5
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Trying various OS migration tools.
Freeware preferably.
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Old 11-20-2018, 12:58 PM   #6
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This is the cable:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/LOCKING-Rig...72.m2749.l2649
How do I know if it supports 6gb/s?
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This is the cable:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/LOCKING-Rig...72.m2749.l2649
How do I know if it supports 6gb/s?
It does, don't worry about it: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/ar...Revisited-183/
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This is the cable:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/LOCKING-Rig...72.m2749.l2649
How do I know if it supports 6gb/s?
Some follow up research implies that there is no difference - my anecdotal observation a few months back was that changing the cable to 6gbs fixed a severe bottleneck I had with an SSD drive. However, it's possible the cable was simply substandard/bad and it wasn't related to the rating of the cable - changing the cable absolutely fixed the speed issue but I'm less confident now that was a speed-rating issue.

I don't think you need any other migration tools per se, you just need to get the machine to boot from the new drive/port.
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my anecdotal observation a few months back was that changing the cable to 6gbs fixed a severe bottleneck I had with an SSD drive.
Wow, that's interesting to hear, whatever the reason may have been. We (some of us, anyway) just take those things for granted most of the time.
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Wow, that's interesting to hear, whatever the reason may have been. We (some of us, anyway) just take those things for granted most of the time.
As did I, it was when I cloned and did something similar to what Geir is doing and the Samsung utility reported terrible numbers for the new SSD (which I ran due to noticing a performance loss) but other identical SSDs reported fine. I finally swapped the cable from the one that came with the machine to the one in the box that came with the SSD and voila.

There could be other variables I missed though, I was more interested in it actually working properly at the time vs proper root cause analysis so I don't want to mislead as I can't be 101% certain.
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Now I'm wondering if I ever trashed a drive as 'bad' without checking the cable... maybe not (usually I'd try it in a dock first), but still... I'm all over cable issues in the audio world, and I assume USB ports are bad all the time, but I rarely look askance at a SATA cable for some dumb reason.
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Now I'm wondering if I ever trashed a drive as 'bad' without checking the cable...
That's a good point because I thought my drive might be bad, but again, I 'think' it was the cable, but I if I switched the cable I was also unplugging/plugging ports so for all I know I could have been in a hurry and hit the 3gb port by mistake first time around. I do agree wire is wire but guaranteed speeds do come down to quality and shielding at times so hard to say - but this is a 6 inch cable so that's probably much less relevant.
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Old 11-21-2018, 03:07 AM   #13
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Went with
Mini Tool Partition Wizard 10 free

Migrated and all seems good so far

Wandering if there are any broken paths in registry,
as OS is now on a different drive-letter. But, maybe the Mini Tool Partition Wizard took care of that.
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I'm seeing all paths in eg. Reaper is still to C-drive.
This seems like a can of worms.
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Went with
Mini Tool Partition Wizard 10 free

Migrated and all seems good so far
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Sorry you still have issues but at least your migration worked. I tried Mini Tool (my third attempt at cloning using two other programs) and I still can't get it to boot. Seems I need a OS CD or repair disk but must say I am perplexed and a bit jealous other people seem to find it straightforward.
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Sorry you still have issues but at least your migration worked. I tried Mini Tool (my third attempt at cloning using two other programs) and I still can't get it to boot. Seems I need a OS CD or repair disk but must say I am perplexed and a bit jealous other people seem to find it straightforward.
If it make you happy, my first conclusion was wrong.
It's not migrated well. I'm not even sure my OS booted from new disk.

I believe I'll need a fresh install. Sigh..

The idea with the SSD was to have a faster computer. But, it'll need to be a lot faster, over a long time, to make up for the hours of a new install.
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I'm not even sure my OS booted from new disk.
That's why I suggested you try booting with the old disk unplugged as a test, or you could place a file on the old drive that isn't in on the new one so you can tell the two apart, or something similar to that just so you know - and there is a disk ID in disk manager. A cloned drive by itself, should boot and show up as C: but it won't show up as C: if it sees and boots from the old one first.

If you are trying to "migrate" by somehow having the new drive be the OS drive and it having a drive letter other than C:, that's likely a headache you don't want or need; it also defeats the purpose of a clone.
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No G-sun, I do not of course feel any "schadenfreude" at your situation but your comment
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The idea with the SSD was to have a faster computer. But, it'll need to be a lot faster, over a long time, to make up for the hours of a new install.
did make me laugh in a grim sort of way.

And I did indeed disconnect the old c drive before trying to boot. Frustrating that something like this, which should be simple, is so not.
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And I did indeed disconnect the old c drive before trying to boot. Frustrating that something like this, which should be simple, is so not.
Then likely building a repair CD or using the install CDs repair option will recreate the boot record.
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That's why I suggested you try booting with the old disk unplugged as a test, or you could place a file on the old drive that isn't in on the new one so you can tell the two apart, or something similar to that just so you know - and there is a disk ID in disk manager. A cloned drive by itself, should boot and show up as C: but it won't show up as C: if it sees and boots from the old one first.

If you are trying to "migrate" by somehow having the new drive be the OS drive and it having a drive letter other than C:, that's likely a headache you don't want or need; it also defeats the purpose of a clone.
Thanks! Old OS was on partition 1 of 2 of the HDD,
so that doesn't give a a straight clone.
Would be a good idea to disconnect old HDD yes.
But, it's been fresh install here now. Too late
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On a side-note: Android for tablets is really much better than PC windows regarding migration. Just log into Google and restore everything.
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Thanks! Old OS was on partition 1 of 2 of the HDD,
so that doesn't give a a straight clone.
Actually, it can/will but those steps are needed at the time of cloning. Either way glad you are working 😊
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Thanks! Old OS was on partition 1 of 2 of the HDD,
so that doesn't give a a straight clone.
Would be a good idea to disconnect old HDD yes.
But, it's been fresh install here now. Too late
Just to post here for the record something I have posted elsewhere in case it may be of use to someone. My problem was solved by swapping the SATA cable from my old c-drive to the new SSD. I don't know why this made a difference but may be a quirk of my particular motherboard (HP XW4600). So I am thinking that all along the cloning process was fine.
Glad you got sorted too - I was only one try behind you before I went for a fresh install too!
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Just to post here for the record something I have posted elsewhere in case it may be of use to someone. My problem was solved by swapping the SATA cable from my old c-drive to the new SSD. I don't know why this made a difference but may be a quirk of my particular motherboard (HP XW4600). So I am thinking that all along the cloning process was fine.
Glad you got sorted too - I was only one try behind you before I went for a fresh install too!
Yes, that seems like your best bet.
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Well, that's 2 days of installing all kinds of drivers, apps, licenses, sorting paths etc. Not really what I hoped for
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